So much for Prescott not practicing this Spring

[QuadrupleOption]

y'all need to chill out....

OM and Arkansas can... If Freeze keeps signing classes last he did last February, there won't be much of a talent gap between them and the top of the SEC. It's kind of sad, but it's true.

every time Ole Miss does something decent the pissing and moaning around here becomes intolerable.

I doubt that UM is going to be able to follow up last year's class with a similar one seeing as how two of the top players in the class picked them because of prior ties to current players. Take out Nkemdiche and the WR they signed, and while they still have a good class it's probably not as good as the one we got.

We DID sign a top 25 class this year, right? And last year too? And prior to Mullen's first year?

Y'all act like we're trotting out a bunch of Div 3 rejects or something.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

every time Ole Miss does something decent the pissing and moaning around here becomes intolerable.

I doubt that UM is going to be able to follow up last year's class with a similar one seeing as how two of the top players in the class picked them because of prior ties to current players. Take out Nkemdiche and the WR they signed, and while they still have a good class it's probably not as good as the one we got.

We DID sign a top 25 class this year, right? And last year too? And prior to Mullen's first year?

Y'all act like we're trotting out a bunch of Div 3 rejects or something.

What will be really interesting, is how well Bucky can de-recruit them. They've been partying, enjoying the Oxford nightlife, and being treated like royalty. I wonder how well they'll take to getting yelled at by a position coach or even taking instruction from them. OM (and to a smaller extent, tMSU) have a history of getting 5-* players who don't think they have to work hard once they're in college. I still think OM's 2012 season was a fluke, the defenses will be geared up for their "Soccer on grass" offense, and they'll be lucky to win 5 games.

 

[msstate7]

I think ole miss has tough year also. They could easily start 2-5 and even 1-6.

 

[Coach 57]

I see us finishing 5-7 this yr and more people starting to question Mullen. I also see UM having a similar season. Our season going from 5-7 to 6-6 will depend on the Auburn game. But like Strat said Gus will have them VERY improved! Frazier will be who most thought he'd be. A tremendously difficult QB to scheme against. Arky will be down again but UM will be better but their record won't show it. I know it's blasphemous to say it but we are going to struggle mightily on offense this yr.

 

[msstate7]

I think we'll win 7. I wanna believe we're gonna run the ball better this year. The defense will be improved. We had the worst defensive scheme in the sec and maybe the country last year. We have talent on defense and it'll be put into a position to perform well this year. Our schedule is very tough, but new def cood, 5th year qb, and whole ol back = at least 7 wins

 

[dawgman.sixpack]

there was never any hope

I've got 50 and 21 years of evidence that states otherwise. Miss State has come the closest of those teams I named- being 1 minute away from the Sugar Bowl in 1980 and 7 minutes away from a title in 1998.

of MSU to the Sugar in 1980. That year Georgia won the SEC and National Championships. We were offered a share of the SEC after the season due to Florina using a spy at our practice. We lost horribly to USM that year and ot quote Jack Cristil, we did not have a chinamans chance of being picked over Georgia for the Sugar.

 

[Coach34]

We lost horribly to USM that year and ot quote Jack Cristil, we did not have a chinamans chance of being picked over Georgia for the Sugar.

The rule back then was the team that had NOT been in the game for the longest time would be selected. So we would have been selected over Georgia

 

[Machiavelli]

I think we'll win 7. I wanna believe we're gonna run the ball better this year. The defense will be improved. We had the worst defensive scheme in the sec and maybe the country last year. We have talent on defense and it'll be put into a position to perform well this year. Our schedule is very tough, but new def cood, 5th year qb, and whole ol back = at least 7 wins

We will win 9; yes, I said 9. Rb's, OL, QB, and WR's will all be better. Remember these are all 3, 4, & 5 year guys; Mullen's mature group. The defense will be better. Best DL talent, as a group, that we have had under Mullen. DBs are young, but talented. Plus Cox is a 2nd round guy. And they will be coached by a pro DB coach. We are more experienced at LB with more speed and some really talented young guys that will be in the rotation. We will play 4-2-5 defense and blitz like hell. Yes, baby!!

 

[dawgman.sixpack]

youu are

The rule back then was the team that had NOT been in the game for the longest time would be selected. So we would have been selected over Georgia

quoting the BIG 10 rule. That was never a written rule in the SEC

 

[Coach 57]

[QUOTE 5th year qb, [/QUOTE]

Who is a passing QB and a very young WR core. And to run the ball you must ACTUALLY have the threat to pass. Otherwise teams defensively will play man, and force us to throw.

 

[Coach34]

quoting the BIG 10 rule. That was never a written rule in the SEC

No- that was the SEC rule back then. It's what people talked about every day after we beat Alabama

 

[dawgman.sixpack]

No- that was the SEC rule back then. It's what people talked about every day after we beat Alabama

That rule has never existed. I was at the Alabama game that year and never heard such people talking. The Rose Bowl is the only game to ever have that rule.

 

[msstate7]

[QUOTE 5th year qb,

Who is a passing QB and a very young WR core. And to run the ball you must ACTUALLY have the threat to pass. Otherwise teams defensively will play man, and force us to throw.[/QUOTE]

If Tyler gets time to throw, he'll have a great year. Our ol pass protected pretty well last year and I expect them to do better this year. We have to run better though and we have the rb's to do it. I'd like to see more pass action and hit Malcolm Johnson (matchup nightmare for defenses). I'd also like to see us use Perkins like the falcons use jacquizz Rodgers. Screens and dump passes fit him perfectly. We don't use him properly.

 

[121Josey]

Clearly You Followed 2013 Recruiting for 3 seconds.

I doubt that UM is going to be able to follow up last year's class with a similar one seeing as how two of the top players in the class picked them because of prior ties to current players. Take out Nkemdiche and the WR they signed, and while they still have a good class it's probably not as good as the one we got.

We DID sign a top 25 class this year, right? And last year too? And prior to Mullen's first year?

Y'all act like we're trotting out a bunch of Div 3 rejects or something.

...And if they wouldn't have gotten greedy, they would have had Elijah Daniel as well... Plus they've received commits from a Top 10 OT. No position is more important in the SEC than the OL.

OT	1	<nobr> </nobr>	Laremy Tunsil (Columbia HS - South) Lake City, FL		<nobr> 6-6/295 </nobr>	02/06/2013		Mississippi
DE	1	<nobr> </nobr>	Robert Nkemdiche (Grayson HS) Loganville, GA		<nobr> 6-4/282/4.72 </nobr>	02/06/2013		Mississippi
S	3	<nobr> </nobr>	Antonio Conner (South Panola HS) Batesville, MS		<nobr> 6-1/205/4.53 </nobr>	02/06/2013		Mississippi
WR	5	<nobr> </nobr>	Laquon Treadwell (Crete-Monee HS) Crete, IL		<nobr> 6-3/190 </nobr>	01/17/2013		Mississippi
OT	10	<nobr> </nobr>	Austin Golson (Prattville HS) Prattville, AL		<nobr> 6-6/290/5.34 </nobr>	02/06/2013		Mississippi
TE	11	<nobr> </nobr>	Christian Morgan (Prestonwood Christian) Plano, TX		<nobr> 6-4/255 </nobr>	10/07/2012		Mississippi
RB	19	<nobr> </nobr>	Kailo Moore (West Bolivar Dist HS) Rosedale, MS		<nobr> 5-11/185/4.44 </nobr>	01/09/2013		Mississippi
TE	22	<nobr> </nobr>	Evan Engram (Hillgrove HS) Powder Springs, GA		<nobr> 6-3/210 </nobr>	06/27/2012		Mississippi
TE	23	<nobr> </nobr>	A.J. Jackson (Lovejoy HS) Lovejoy, GA		<nobr> 6-6/240 </nobr>	02/06/2013		Mississippi
QB	26	<nobr> </nobr>	Devante Kincade (Skyline HS) Dallas, TX		<nobr> 6-1/185 </nobr>	07/06/2012		Mississippi

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[CookieMonster.sixpack]

There is a shitload of data saying it's highly, HIGHLY unlikely that either of us wins the SEC in football. But feel free to ignore it -- that "crash" will be just as enjoyable for us as the ignorant MSU/Mullen feign of the past 18 months have been for you...

Are you trying to say UCLA won't be back in basketball? They are likely to hire Shaka Smart -- and they'll likely be competing for titles within the next 3 years. Comparing historic athletics programs to the Roman empire? Laughable. 16 years of the BCS national championship game -- 15 teams. Which 15? 5 of the "big 6" in the SEC, FSU, Va Tech, Oklahoma, Miami, Nebraska, USC, Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame, Ohio St. Those constitute 7 of the 8 true remaining threats to SEC dominance(FSU, Oklahoma, USC, Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame, Ohio St, and I'd say Michigan)...

In 50+ years, SIX teams have won the SEC -- hence the terminology of "Big 6". I'm not saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE to break that streak -- but let's be honest, it is one HELL of a streak that we are up against... In that time period, NO ONE has come closer to breaking the streak than MSU has -- twice. And we've still come up short. We're not talking about a 7 yr run here -- we're talking about fifty years. Straight.

Funny thing about "it's never happened before" stats. They are only true until they aren't, and then their useless.

 

[engie]

Funny thing about "it's never happened before" stats. They are only true until they aren't, and then their useless.

Not really.

0-50 or 1-51 -- the level of defined dominance is STILL in place, despite an aberration that such a championship would almost certainly be.

Of course, when it's aTm winning that title, it's just going to transition out of "big 6" and into "big 7" -- and we'll still be in the exact same place we were when we started.

Feel free to hold your breath about the inevitability of said championships though...I'll continue to approach it realistically -- where it'll be a miracle worthy of movies if any of the "other 7" in the SEC ever actually win an outright title...

 

[thf24]

I hate to admit it, but if OM buys I mean recruits for 3-4 more years like they did last year they'll be competing for the top spot in the west.

If they keep up this year's kind of "recruiting" for more than a few years, they'll be the Pony Express part 2.

 

[HD6]

This is painful, but Coach is right. We would have gone had Florida beaten Georgia.

 

[patdog]

You are just wrong, wrong, wrong. That WAS the SEC rule back then. And it was a written rule. It became obsolete in 1991 when the SEC expanded to 12 teams and the Sugar Bowl went to the winner of the title game.

 

[patdog]

I think we win 6 or 7 this fall and by then the foundation Mullen has been laying will be complete. For all our previous coach's talk about doing things the right way and building a foundation instead of going for the quick fix, that's exactly what Mullen has been doing.

 

[Arloguthrie]

I don't know if you're too dumb to understand a simple point or if you're the type who just loves to argue so you can throw out cool stats. But I'll try again. I concede that Ole Miss or State winning the SEC is unlikely for the foreseeable future. Nowhere have I said anything differently. My only point, and it's a simple one to grasp, is nothing is impossible and sometimes crazy **** happens. The teams that are dominant today may not be 20 or 30 years from now. So unless you have that sports almanac from Back to the Future 3 telling what will happen in the future, I really don't give a **** about your statistics.

 

[dawgman.sixpack]

This is painful, but Coach is right. We would have gone had Florida beaten Georgia.

It is urban myth that such a rule existed

 

[engie]

I don't know if you're too dumb to understand a simple point or if you're the type who just loves to argue so you can throw out cool stats. But I'll try again. I concede that Ole Miss or State winning the SEC is unlikely for the foreseeable future. Nowhere have I said anything differently. My only point, and it's a simple one to grasp, is nothing is impossible and sometimes crazy **** happens. The teams that are dominant today may not be 20 or 30 years from now. So unless you have that sports almanac from Back to the Future 3 telling what will happen in the future, I really don't give a **** about your statistics.

You initiated this "argument" by calling it "a rare breed of moron that believes the past controls the future" with a bunch of ridiculous analogies that were easily dispatched -- I am simply saying(and statistically proving) that the best indicator of future performance is past performance. "Too dumb" = "sorry, I can't argue the reality with you -- so I'll rely on emotion". "Crazy ****" happens ALOT less often in football of the collegiate variety than in any other popular sport in America. Basically, your initial outburst was based on a sliver of hope that you can rise back to the power that OM was in the 60s -- when all the rules governing such matters were different -- and you didn't like being told how(statistically) unlikely it is, despite(now) admitting it yourself.

The best teams in 30 years may not be the best teams today? That is what you are saying, is it not? Well, let's look at all-time rankings then. Are you now going to pretend that the most relevant teams of all-time are somehow less relevant today? How does this look in comparison to the 2013 preseason poll? Looks pretty damn similar to me...

Total points in AP poll all-time(1936-present):

1.		Oklahoma		669,140
2.		Ohio State		628,428		40,712
3.		Michigan		595,394		33,034
4.		Nebraska		582,398		12,996
5.		Notre Dame		541,478		40,920
6.		USC		500,155		41,323
7.		Alabama		497,481		2,674
8.		Texas		494,016		3,465
9.		Florida State		479,788		14,228
10.		Florida		464,248		15,540
11.		Miami (FL)		424,742		39,507
12.		Penn State		413,904		10,838
13.		Tennessee		394,975		18,929
14.		LSU		348,541		46,435
15.		Georgia		344,774		3,767
16.		Auburn		328,542		16,232
17.		UCLA		262,794		65,748
18.		Texas A&M		241,115		21,679
19.		Washington		229,496		11,619
20.		Virginia Tech		218,998		10,499
21.		Arkansas		193,889		25,109
22.		Colorado		192,421		1,468
23.		Oregon		185,874		6,547
24.		Michigan State		180,380		5,495
25.		Wisconsin		177,432		2,947

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http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/total_points.cfm?decade=1970s&rows=all

 

[57stratdawg]

So, you don't think Arkansas or South Carolina will ever win an SEC title in football?

 

[Arloguthrie]

A brief lesson on the difference between "unlikely" and "impossible." "Unlikely" means that an event probably won't happen. "Impossible" means that the immutable laws of physics prevent the event from happening. C34 said that it is impossible for UM or MSU to win the SEC. This is false - it's unlikely, not impossible. Now you continue to cite stats showing it's unlikely, a point with which I've never disagreed. Nowhere have I said Ole Miss is about to return to glory, but nice try. Now please continue to cite stats to show that the event in question is unlikely even though no one has said otherwise.

 

[patdog]

A brief lesson in theory vs. reality. Lots of things are possible, but are so unikely that, effectively, they're impossible. For example, it's possible that a meteor will wipe out all life on earth later this year. But I'm betting that doesn't happen.

 

[Arloguthrie]

So would you say MSU winning the SEC in the next 30 years is impossible or unlikely?

 

[patdog]

I would say it's less possible for either MSU or UM to win an SEC football championship in the next 30 years than it was for us in the last 30 years.