So.... My little snowflake will be starting pre-k this August, and...

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BigMotherTucker

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We chose to go the private school rout here in Meridian because (among other reasons) they do not teach "common core". Im not even sure I know what common core is but I didn't have to see much for it to scare the **** out of me.

So, I browse fark.com this morning and came across this link: Son remember, simplification is valued over complication. Therefore, 427 - 316 = 111. Oh and Son, common Core is wack, study it out. I then look over the comments section from fark, only to find out I'm a complete dubmass™ for not understanding this concept.


What is the collective thought of the Pack on common core? Looks like the DEBIL! to me.
 
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Shmuley

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Things are never as bad as they seem. .........................................................................

And things are never as good as they seem.
 
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The math can be frustrating as a parent trying to help your child with their homework because the number line methods seem alien to most. It's probably not how you were taught how to subtract or do fractions (remember the steps you did to do fractions with uncommon denominators).

Math was one of my stronger subjects and in my head when I do math I see number lines so its not as big a deal to me. But I totally understand if people are frustrated with it.
 

starkvegasdawg

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It was "funded and developed" in Washington, DC. Next question please.

That's all you need to know. When it was developed by the people that couldn't even keep a ***** house profitable you know something is wrong. My 6 year old is in a public school that is common core and some of her assignments leave me scratching my head. There has been more than one occassion when I was helping her with her homework and I had to stifle a "what the 17"? when reading questions. From what I have personally seen they have scrapped all the tried and true ways of learning things like counting money, adding, subtracting, etc. and come up with some off the wall way to learn it that is 100 times more complicated than just learning that two quarters and a nickel equals fifty five cents. Right now she is in public school because private is currently out of the budget. Once it is in the budget, then I will be looking long and hard at it...especially as she gets older.
 

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Considering how 45+ states of all different political persuasions have adopted it with little controversy, including Mississippi (just a few days ago the State Senate voted 39-11 to keep it - that's all Democrats and a majority of Republicans in Mississippi), I'd say it's just a huge internet freakout over nothing. Don't believe all the hype.

Also, just for the record, private schools aren't exempt from Common Core, so if you're dead-set against it, you'll have to go the home school route.
 

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Happy to get out of here before it hits

I have to take a test today to see if common core will work at my school I'm happy I'm getting out of here before they start using.
 

mstateglfr

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After having seen examples, I can say that it take more steps to figure out an answer, but it also helps explain how the numbers work with one another to get the answer.
To kids learning it for the first time, itll be all they know and wont be anything to think twice about. And they may have a better understanding of how they got the answer.


My daughters are in 1st and preschool at a public school that uses the Montessori method and is preschool thru 8th grade.
The Montessori approach to education is so different from how my wife and I were taught that I am beyond questioning any process they use to teach as its all foreign to me. My 1st grader uses a bunch of green and red colored circles called stamps to figure out math problems. Its insane to watch. She can figure out anything from 8+7 to 9837-4366 using the same tools and she understands the values she is working with.

Common core is taught in a different way, obviously, but the end goal is the same- for kids to understand the values they are working with.

As long as my kid is working on math problems that I worked on when I was 2 years older than her, I will continue to not question the process.
I would hope common core would be the same.
 
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. Indiana dumped Common Core this week?

There are rumors that many states will follow. The reason MS voted to keep it is b/c they are clinging to the federal tit and want the education money that comes with it.

Linky
 

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You Tube has become my friend when dealing with my 6th and 5th graders. The first thing I had to use YouTube for, pertaining to school work. was lattice multiplication. When I was in school you worked that **** out long form all the way down the page. Lattice multiplication does it all with very few steps. The first time is did it with my kid if was like WTF? Then after I did a few I said "this is brilliant!" Not all things done the old way are beneficial.
 
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I do think the "write a letter to Susan to tell her how she did the math wrong" is the dumbest **** ever. Who cares, just let me do my math homework.
 

BigMotherTucker

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I combed over Lamars website. The only reference to their curriculum is a small blurb that says "Lamar Elementary provides a multifaceted core curriculum.". I hope they stick to that.

Lamar School
 

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My son is in third grade at a Madison County public school which I assume uses common core and I've noticed nothing strange or out of the ordinary about the way he's been taught and have been generally pleased with his school.
 

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I concur. Both of my children at NorthWest Rankin Elementary are working through things we didn't touch till Jr High. I am impressed with what they do and it never ceases to amaze me that they seem to "get it" so much more easily than I did. My 10 year old daughter can work a lot of addition problems and subtraction problems in her head without ever having to write it on paper using approximations to get her in the ball park then adding or subtracting the the remainders




It still boggles my mind that they waste any time teaching cursive though. Who writes anything formal anymore?
 
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Math and science are my strong suits also (if I have any), but I'll have to say I never think of a number line when I do math "in my head", or any other time for that matter. And yes, I was taught about the number line when I was in high school. It's a pretty simple concept. I suppose people think through things differently.
 

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My wife who was a teacher for many years and who spends a great deal of time

working with our kids academically says common core is better preparing the kids for tests such as ACT. She also says it is challenging the kids to think more and memorize less and yes she finds it frustrating but overall I think she believes it is a positive long term.
 

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My current impressions of Common Core are mostly from parents of students and many definitely have issues with it. Some of the parents who are teachers have also said similarly but have added that it's supposed to work better than No Child Left Behind when it comes to developing critical thinking skills, which I considered a big weakness with NCLB.
 

seshomoru

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Good and bad, for both students and teachers.

The biggest issue is that it was adopted for all grades immediately. My wife teaches seventh graders and has had to to abandon some parts of it because the kids just haven't learned to think that way. I think starting from pre-K and growing up with it won't be much of a problem. They should have rolled it out that way to begin with. Start in kindergarten and then roll it in grade by grade as they go. I don't think Common Core is the big scary monster everyone thinks it is. It's just different methods with a general standard of what should be taught at what age. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest issue is the testing. Well it's the testing to see where the kids are to get ready for bench mark tests, which are tests to see what they need to do to get ready for the main test. Not to mention the state tests along the way. Pearson and other companies are making a killing off selling this crap to the schools. It handicaps your teachers into teaching toward tests, instead of teaching and then testing to see what the kids have learned. It's what happens when people who have never taught think they know what is needed to fix the education system. They run it like a business. Here are the definitive results we want and here's how we're going to get them. Great for widget makers, banks, etc. Terrible for education in which there is really no tangible output and there are no earnings to analyze. You can't quantify knowledge, especially when you are working with kids from all kinds of family structures and economic levels. The current system treats each kid like the same input when that is just so far from the case. So what they've done is made it near impossible for teachers to actually spend the time to connect with the students and figure out how to teach each one. There is probably a little more freedom for this at a private shcool, but in the end it actually is about income and expenses, so there can quite a bit more opportunities and in public schools. This obviously isn't true across the board, but anecdotaly, I wouldn't pull my kid out of the Northwest or Brandon zones to go to Hartfield. So... don't be afraid of Common Core, be wary of the testing. I figure the most important thing I can do as a parent is let my child discover his own way, nurture that, and be there to help when he needs it. I may not be able to get the answers, but as long as I show that I'm willing to put the effort into his education then maybe he will do the same. And you will also be surprised with most of the teachers. They absolutely welcome any parent who puts in an effort to understand what their child is learning and what is being taught. What they don't like is never hearing from you until little Billy has a D average and you blame them for not knowing how to teach. And that covered a lot... mostly ramblings because it flashed me forward two years to when my little guy will be off to kindergarten. Wish time would slow down!
 

seshomoru

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It still boggles my mind that they waste any time teaching cursive though. Who writes anything formal anymore?
While at the closing of my house last December, the mortgage guy told me they were phasing out script writing so kids wouldn't be able to read the constitution and they could sneakily get rid of parts like the 2nd amendment. He wasn't being sarcastic, and since he could have grabbed up the papers and walked out, I bit my tongue.
 

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My wife and I both have both our kids teacher's school email addresses. They also send out a newsletter weekly and NWR is part of an online program where you can actually go online and see your individual kid's daily grades. The education system in Rankin county, outside the very palatial superintendent's office in Brandon, is very transparent. The teachers not only welcome parent involvement they demand it. A lot of my children's homework involves parents having to help them with it. I am happy with the direction their education is going compared with my schooling growing up. The education system in Mississippi wasn't great to begin with so I think anything that brings us into the mainstream is beneficial for my children and the state too.
 

seshomoru

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My wife and I both have both our kids teacher's school email addresses. They also send out a newsletter weekly and NWR is part of an online program where you can actually go online and see your individual kid's daily grades. The education system in Rankin county, outside the very palatial superintendent's office in Brandon, is very transparent. The teachers not only welcome parent involvement they demand it. A lot of my children's homework involves parents having to help them with it. I am happy with the direction their education is going compared with my schooling growing up. The education system in Mississippi wasn't great to begin with so I think anything that brings us into the mainstream is beneficial for my children and the state too.
And here's a little tip. The teachers can see how often the parents have checked their kid's grades. They also save every single email they send or receive. My wife even puts the homework online because kids aren't exactly apt to always bring it home. Neither the parents or teachers can hide what they are doing or aren't doing, and that's how it should be.
 

rabiddawg

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Ha. He sounds like my dumb *** brother who swears we have never landed on the moon and is a "doomsday prepper". He also said the Japanese nuclear plant meltdown a few years ago has caused tens of thousands of deaths in the western US and says the government is covering it up. I stopped trying to argue with the fool years ago. It amazes me some people can function in society. He also works for a defense contractor which really makes me wonder how hard the government screens some people.
 

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My general understanding is that 'number lines' are basically quick simple math problems- correct?

If the question was "12*15 = ?" the number line is "10*15=150" and then you have to do "2*15=30" and finally "150+30=180". That's basically how I've always thought about numbers too.
 

mstateglfr

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While at the closing of my house last December, the mortgage guy told me they were phasing out script writing so kids wouldn't be able to read the constitution and they could sneakily get rid of parts like the 2nd amendment. He wasn't being sarcastic, and since he could have grabbed up the papers and walked out, I bit my tongue.

Damn that woulda been tough to keep quiet. What the 17 is wrong with people? Not everyone is Dr Nash and not everything has connections to seemingly unrelated other things.
When you are obsessed about a subject/issue, its quite obvious that you can relate most anything to that subject/issue.



As for cursive, my 1st grader learned in last year and this year and I made the same comment to my wife- who needs it?
Sadly, I tried writing a couple of letters to see if I remembered and I felt like Billy Madison writing the letter 'z' on the chalkboard.
 

rabiddawg

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That comment section on fark.com is pure Gold. My favorite so far:

"Peter von Nostrand
It's a socialist plot to encourage the liberalization of kids. At least that is what my mother in law tells me. She learned this from emails with Fw:fw:FW:Fw:Fw: in the subject line, so you know it's legit

25 Mar 2014 07:23 PM"
 

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That is probably an incorrect assessment. Most states are accepting it because of matching federal funding. Without accepting it, the states have to come up with more funding for education resulting in higher taxes and politicians potenitally losing their jobs. People will grumble about common core, but they will revolt if their taxes are rased significantly.
 

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The biggest issue is that it was adopted for all grades immediately. My wife teaches seventh graders and has had to to abandon some parts of it because the kids just haven't learned to think that way. I think starting from pre-K and growing up with it won't be much of a problem. They should have rolled it out that way to begin with. Start in kindergarten and then roll it in grade by grade as they go. I don't think Common Core is the big scary monster everyone thinks it is. It's just different methods with a general standard of what should be taught at what age. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest issue is the testing. Well it's the testing to see where the kids are to get ready for bench mark tests, which are tests to see what they need to do to get ready for the main test. Not to mention the state tests along the way. Pearson and other companies are making a killing off selling this crap to the schools. It handicaps your teachers into teaching toward tests, instead of teaching and then testing to see what the kids have learned. It's what happens when people who have never taught think they know what is needed to fix the education system. They run it like a business. Here are the definitive results we want and here's how we're going to get them. Great for widget makers, banks, etc. Terrible for education in which there is really no tangible output and there are no earnings to analyze. You can't quantify knowledge, especially when you are working with kids from all kinds of family structures and economic levels. The current system treats each kid like the same input when that is just so far from the case. So what they've done is made it near impossible for teachers to actually spend the time to connect with the students and figure out how to teach each one.

Bravo! Echoes what I've heard from several teacher friends as well. Just way, way too much emphasis on test and teaching to those. Biggest pro I've heard is also critical thinking which was probably the biggest thing lacking from public school curriculum for some time.
 

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Gee, how will one provide a signature without knowing cursive. You can dismiss it all you want, but it's still there. Just like doing math in your head. Your argument against cursive is like saying "why learn math? That's what calculators are for!" Just a thought.
 

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My 10 year old daughter can work a lot of addition problems and subtraction problems in her head without ever having to write it on paper using approximations to get her in the ball park then adding or subtracting the the remainders?

This is how I learned to do most math problems....though it was from my mom (CPA) and not from anything I learned from school.

I'll never understand grown ups who still count on their fingers, though.
 

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My son is in third grade at a Madison County public school which I assume uses common core and I've noticed nothing strange or out of the ordinary about the way he's been taught and have been generally pleased with his school.

Common Core starts next year in Madison. I would assume the same for the rest of MS being that it is just passing the legislature...
 

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Got a 2nd grader in Christian School. They teach common core English. I'm thinking they will gradually introduce each discipline. I say that because I wonder if private schools could be in danger of losing their accreditation if they don't? Anyone?
 

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My son is in 2nd grade, has had common core from the start, and does all kinds of math in his head using the methods they are teaching. (16*12, 19*8, etc.)

Some of the common core stuff is confusing to me but he gets it just fine. Now, I've seen the really horrible example popping up on the book of faces but I think we could look in any old math book and find really 17'd up examples.
 

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I know very little about Common Core...but

My son is in first grade and they began CC last year or two years ago. His teacher is wonderful and rarely has homework other than reading every night. Teachers have to use common sense with any curriculum. As far as cursive, I think they should be exposed to it, be able to read it and write their name (signature), but not actually write it. Kids need to learn to type. Its just the way it is. I couldn't write two sentences without my hand hurting and no-one would be able to read my part print/cursive/short-hand garble.
 

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You Tube has become my friend when dealing with my 6th and 5th graders. The first thing I had to use YouTube for, pertaining to school work. was lattice multiplication. When I was in school you worked that **** out long form all the way down the page. Lattice multiplication does it all with very few steps. The first time is did it with my kid if was like WTF? Then after I did a few I said "this is brilliant!" Not all things done the old way are beneficial.

Slide rule by the coal oil lanp****
 

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the complainers are just looking for an excuse

ask the teachers. if you do, the vast majority believe in it. for parents it's just an excuse to use when their kids are not doing well. common core requires thinking, not just memorizing. this is also why some parents are bitching about their kids doing well before it started and not as well after. application over memorization. my first grader is excelling but it's not easy(and that's not a bad thing).

you may be limiting or guarding your snowflake with this move. time will tell. hope it's worth the dough.
 
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