so......no commits for 2017?

[OkeyDokeyNU]

The OP is a shot at those who were constantly moaning about our low ranking BEFORE the recruiting season ended. Why aren't these posters moaning about 2017 yet? What's sad is this attempt at humor actually got a response from the crowd that was maiming about 2016, and now, a week later, are already moaning about 2017. Pretty amazing, really.

The OP? It's sarcasm, plain and simple. Shouldn't be surprised it got a response, but I am.

That is fair. But it's one thing to throw it back in the faces of the moaners when the class finishes really well. I do not consider a #25 class to be a great class at Nebraska. Maybe it is just me.

And yes, it is too early to ***** about the 2017 class, which is something I do not see happening.

 

[timnsun]

That is fair. But it's one thing to throw it back in the faces of the moaners when the class finishes really well. I do not consider a #25 class to be a great class at Nebraska. Maybe it is just me.

And yes, it is too early to ***** about the 2017 class, which is something I do not see happening.

It's not just you. MANY have said we need to be top 15 or better to contend regularly. The problem is we were seeing thread after thread pop up whining about recruiting and when the dust settled, we hauled in some of our top targets, while whiffing not on a few others. But we did finish strong in most peoples' eyes... Fitz and Simmons would have been huge.

So yes, we missed on some, but the hand-wringing that was going on in December and January got old pretty quickly, which is why there has been some threads of retaliation.

But already in this thread we have the same complainers telling us where tOSU and Mich are, and we don't even have one... To me that is borderline moaning, since we have 51 more weeks, or about 358 days or so to fill the class, but maybe that's just me.

 

[TwinsRRUs_rivals79748]

We have 2 DT's in our 2016 class... the recruiting services just had them down as OLine instead of DT... Pelini knows a good DT when he sees one...Farniok and Raridon will anchor the DLine just fine...ye have little faith!

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

My chief complaint was not about 2017. My chief complaint was that this was not the kind of recruiting class that will return us to elite status. And it isn't. We are 5th in the B1G in recruiting. That is unacceptable. Period. Call me any name you want but I expect better. And our lovely little 5-7 regular season is just our third losing season in damn near 60 years. And that is on Riley and his staff too. Horrible clock management and play calling cost us the BYU, Illinois and Iowa games. And we were clearly unready to play at Miami, getting smoked for a half by a very mediocre Miami team. So spin your sunshine all you want. I was opposed to this hire and nothing I have seen so far has proved that opinion wrong. The burden is on those who think that Riley, who has excelled at 5-7 type seasons his whole career, has done anything special here so far.

 

[timnsun]

My chief complaint was not about 2017. My chief complaint was that this was not the kind of recruiting class that will return us to elite status. And it isn't. We are 5th in the B1G in recruiting. That is unacceptable. Period. Call me any name you want but I expect better. And our lovely little 5-7 regular season is just our third losing season in damn near 60 years. And that is on Riley and his staff too. Horrible clock management and play calling cost us the BYU, Illinois and Iowa games. And we were clearly unready to play at Miami, getting smoked for a half by a very mediocre Miami team. So spin your sunshine all you want. I was opposed to this hire and nothing I have seen so far has proved that opinion wrong. The burden is on those who think that Riley, who has excelled at 5-7 type seasons his whole career, has done anything special here so far.

The problem is your tunnel vision, quite frankly. You only see why you want to see. He did not "excell" at 5-7 seasons at OSU like you suggest. He had them, sure, but he also had winning seasons. In fact, more winning seasons than losing seasons. So if you are going to say he excelled at something, you absolutely can not claim it was at 5-7 seasons. I'm sorry, but that's just complaining and moaning.

You also refuse to look at OSU's record in the 30+ years before Riley arrived... I don't know why this is so hard for Riley detractors to comprehend... They were winning at a 20% clip... Over 30 years... So for Riley to have even a few winning seasons is a huge accomplishment. But as I have already mentioned, he has had more than a few.

This is why I am optimistic that he might turn things around. To do what he did at OSU is amazing, but you refuse to consider it. My question is why? Why won't you or others who are against Riley consider what he had done at OSU as a major accomplishment? If it was so easy to do, why had no one done it in over 30 years there?

And if things were as bad at Nebraska under Pelini as many have stated, doesn't it seem fair to give Riley time to turn the ship around? Or do we hold to such high standards that a slow turnaround is unacceptable? As another poster said, if he doesn't turn it around, he will be gone. But doesn't he deserve the chance to do it? I don't understand why some of us have to point this out... It should be no brainier stuff...

I feel like I don't have to prove anything regarding my support of Riley. He is our head coach. That alone should garner him some support and time to turn things around.

Take off the blinders. Look past your nose a little bit. Consider all the factors, not just his record. Can't you see anything positive going on? Many on here can, and many in the media are sensing it as well. Patience...

 

[timnsun]

And regarding recruiting, I am pretty sure even Mike's most ardent supporters have said we need to do better. No news there.

 

[Spartanhusker]

Onward to Victory!!! Onward York High!!!

 

[OkeyDokeyNU]

Ok, I'm outta this thread.

 

[jflores]

My chief complaint was not about 2017. My chief complaint was that this was not the kind of recruiting class that will return us to elite status. And it isn't. We are 5th in the B1G in recruiting. That is unacceptable. Period. Call me any name you want but I expect better. And our lovely little 5-7 regular season is just our third losing season in damn near 60 years. And that is on Riley and his staff too. Horrible clock management and play calling cost us the BYU, Illinois and Iowa games. And we were clearly unready to play at Miami, getting smoked for a half by a very mediocre Miami team. So spin your sunshine all you want. I was opposed to this hire and nothing I have seen so far has proved that opinion wrong. The burden is on those who think that Riley, who has excelled at 5-7 type seasons his whole career, has done anything special here so far.

The general consensus is that in a given year, NU is going to be 4th in the B1G in recruiting. UM, OSU, and PSU can all garner higher rated classes than we can piece together in the Midwest region (Iowa, SD, Kansas,NE) never leaving their home states. On the odd occassion we might sneak into one of those first three slots, but more than likely we will be finishing 4th or 5th depending on what kind of year MSU and perhaps Wisconsin is having.

Some people are bemoaning this years class, but really, at the top was UM and OSU with Top 5 classes. Us, PSU and MSU were a handful of slots from each other in the next tier down and then everyone else was down in like the 40's and 50s or even lower. The only two teams that clearly outclassed us in recruiting were two teams that will pretty much always outclass us in recruiting, and we are right there with a B1G champion school that we beat and is on a great run with their current coach, and PSU with a lightning rod recruiter in Franklin.

 

[jflores]

My chief complaint was not about 2017. My chief complaint was that this was not the kind of recruiting class that will return us to elite status. And it isn't. We are 5th in the B1G in recruiting. That is unacceptable. Period. Call me any name you want but I expect better. And our lovely little 5-7 regular season is just our third losing season in damn near 60 years. And that is on Riley and his staff too. Horrible clock management and play calling cost us the BYU, Illinois and Iowa games. And we were clearly unready to play at Miami, getting smoked for a half by a very mediocre Miami team. So spin your sunshine all you want. I was opposed to this hire and nothing I have seen so far has proved that opinion wrong. The burden is on those who think that Riley, who has excelled at 5-7 type seasons his whole career, has done anything special here so far.

There's really no burden. The staff isn't without flaws, they are pretty competent overall. They carry themselves well and represent the state well. Despite the record on the field, they've made inroads with several high level players, players who have admitted NU wasn't going to be on their radar if not for the staff's relationships. Even in cases where we lose players (ie Fitz), high school coaches have come out and said we don't back down, we are there till the end and are putting in the effort and doing everything right to land these kids.

The only test they have really failed, is the win big early test. Some folks I think have in their mind "there is only one way to win, and this is the profile it needs to be", but you know what they say about plans and meeting the enemy.

He'll get his time, he'll either win or he won't, and he'll be adjudicated accordingly. The rest of the whining reeks of entitled fan. We're not going to wholesale start over based on a handful of games or one season of games or "this half look pretty decent, that one didn't" type of deal.

 

[coach00036]

@spartanhusker ...starting posts doomed to be locked since 2001. Love it. How one of the nicest dudes on this board has soooo many posts that end up locked or nuked is beyond me.

 

[kaz36_rivals189319]

@spartanhusker ...starting posts doomed to be locked since 2001. Love it. How one of the nicest dudes on this board has soooo many posts that end up locked or nuked is beyond me.

As soon as I saw Spartans post, I shook my head. He meant well. He really did, but it just went down in flames. Like usual. Haha.

 

[bigboxes]

@spartanhusker ...starting posts doomed to be locked since 2001. Love it. How one of the nicest dudes on this board has soooo many posts that end up locked or nuked is beyond me.

He's mischievous.

 

[nebcountry]

It's almost Feb 14th. I'm more worried about what to get my wife for Valentine's day than I am about recruiting. I am going to try and take a little hiatus from complaining with it being (almost) lent and a time to be a little more understanding of our fellow human beings.

With that being said, let's hope we can get some high quality commits before fall.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Timsun I hope you are right about my tunnel vision and general moaning over Riley's record. Nobody wants him to succeed more than I. I grant you that I am being a bit hyperbolic in describing his past record and that I am probably being too hard on him. But I also think some on here are being too soft on him. 5-7 with a 25th rated recruiting class must improve. I know we all agree on that. I guess after three previous failed coaches I am just in a big time "prove it to me" mode. Time will tell.

 

[Spartanhusker]

@spartanhusker ...starting posts doomed to be locked since 2001. Love it. How one of the nicest dudes on this board has soooo many posts that end up locked or nuked is beyond me.

My day is made!!!!

 

[Spartanhusker]

As soon as I saw Spartans post, I shook my head. He meant well. He really did, but it just went down in flames. Like usual. Haha.

ouch!!!

 

[Spartanhusker]

He's mischievous.

yes....yes I am....

 

[Archie Graham]

Timsun I hope you are right about my tunnel vision and general moaning over Riley's record. Nobody wants him to succeed more than I. I grant you that I am being a bit hyperbolic in describing his past record and that I am probably being too hard on him. But I also think some on here are being too soft on him. 5-7 with a 25th rated recruiting class must improve. I know we all agree on that. I guess after three previous failed coaches I am just in a big time "prove it to me" mode. Time will tell.

I've literally zero problems with this post.

In my view you simply have to be patient. During the later yea of the Pelini era I made it clear we should move forward with another hire. But that was AFTER five years, more than one set of AC coaches, and clear evidence that suggested a poor recruiting infrastructure. Lest we forget that there was a very significant attitude problem with coaches and players alike.

Riley deserves our support - both privately but most importantly publicly. The amount of negative recruiting that goes on against him is staggering, and frankly, our fan base makes it 100 % worse with their entitlement attitude.

I'll call my shot. We are going to improve next year, then more so in year three, and Riley is going to end up finishing his career at Nebraska. I don't think we win a national championship; however, we are going to win games, win recruiting battles, and pride is going to be restored to the Nebraska brand. If I'm wrong then we move on to the next gu just like we have at other points in our recent history.

 

[otismotis08]

I've literally zero problems with this post.

In my view you simply have to be patient. During the later yea of the Pelini era I made it clear we should move forward with another hire. But that was AFTER five years, more than one set of AC coaches, and clear evidence that suggested a poor recruiting infrastructure. Lest we forget that there was a very significant attitude problem with coaches and players alike.

Riley deserves our support - both privately but most importantly publicly. The amount of negative recruiting that goes on against him is staggering, and frankly, our fan base makes it 100 % worse with their entitlement attitude.

I'll call my shot. We are going to improve next year, then more so in year three, and Riley is going to end up finishing his career at Nebraska. I don't think we win a national championship; however, we are going to win games, win recruiting battles, and pride is going to be restored to the Nebraska brand. If I'm wrong then we move on to the next gu just like we have at other points in our recent history.

I don't disagree with your prognostication, though it's not terribly specific. MR is clearly a needed breath of fresh air from BP. As a proud fan of one of the true bluebloods of college football, I'm just not feeling like that is good enough IMO. We should be playing for conference championships yearly, winning the B1G at least a few times per decade, and finding our way into the NC hunt/playoffs at the same pace. Anything less makes us Settlers.

 

[Spartanhusker]

I don't disagree with your prognostication, though it's not terribly specific. MR is clearly a needed breath of fresh air from BP. As a proud fan of one of the true bluebloods of college football, I'm just not feeling like that is good enough IMO. We should be playing for conference championships yearly, winning the B1G at least a few times per decade, and finding our way into the NC hunt/playoffs at the same pace. Anything less makes us Settlers.

Making our own clothes, churning our own butter, taking away Cousin Tobias' privacy....Laughing

 

[Archie Graham]

I don't disagree with your prognostication, though it's not terribly specific. MR is clearly a needed breath of fresh air from BP. As a proud fan of one of the true bluebloods of college football, I'm just not feeling like that is good enough IMO. We should be playing for conference championships yearly, winning the B1G at least a few times per decade, and finding our way into the NC hunt/playoffs at the same pace. Anything less makes us Settlers.

I expect us to compete for conference championships every other year (or so); however, we needed a massive overhaul to our program. Attitude, talent, depth, etc. If we don't have the pieces starting to fall in place in a couple years then I'll be happy to discuss changes. Until then Riley deserves our support.

P.S. I wasn't specific because this stuff has been hashed out repeatedly.

 

[meo1960]

Riley and his staff are better recruiters than Pelini and staff. But not by much. This year's recruiting was B- material. The failure to recruit a single defensive tackle will come back to haunt this staff in two years. And even though we got Farniok we desperately needed another quality offensive tackle. Games are won in the trenches and this class was very average in that regard.

And zero recruits yet for 2017? Count me among those who still think Riley has a long, long way to go toward restoring Nebraska to elite status. A good start would be to not lose 7 games next year. He seems very good, over his career, at producing losing seasons. So despite the sunshine pumping of posters like HTO and Archie, I remain firmly in the unconvinced and unimpressed camp. So far Riley has done zilch. Slightly above average recruiting and a losing season. That is what I see. Everything else is hype and hot air.

Prove me wrong Mike Riley. Please

If I understand you correctly, by slightly above average you mean slightly above average for Nebraska, because we've averaged around 27.6 for the last decade or so, and Mikes first full class came it at 25.

To contrast that, some here were critical of Harbaugh's recruiting, referring to it as "antics". Well not only did he bring in the #4 Rivals recruiting ranking for 2016, up from 31&50 the prior 2 seasons, he also improved Michigan's record from 5-7 to 10-3. Significant Recruiting and Season Improvements.

Mike Riley, on the other hand, improved Nebraska's recruiting from 32&31 to 25, but digressed in the W/L department from 9-3 to 6-7, albeit very close losses.

So If your a Michigan fan, you have to be very encouraged for the future.
If your a Nebraska fan, you should probably find someone or some other program to be critical of besides Jim Harbaugh and Michigan.

With the resurgence of Ohio St. & Michigan, it certainly appears that the conference title drought will continue into the foreseeable future, although the West seems to be wide open and Mike has built a reputation on occasionally rising up and beating some highly ranked teams. Sadly, part of that reputation also seems to be losing games he is expected to win.

Nebraska fan optimism rests in the hope that Mike Riley can turn those narrow losses into victories.

 

[timnsun]

If I understand you correctly, by slightly above average you mean slightly above average for Nebraska, because we've averaged around 27.6 for the last decade or so, and Mikes first full class came it at 25.

To contrast that, some here were critical of Harbaugh's recruiting, referring to it as "antics". Well not only did he bring in the #4 Rivals recruiting ranking for 2016, up from 31&50 the prior 2 seasons, he also improved Michigan's record from 5-7 to 10-3. Significant Recruiting and Season Improvements.

Mike Riley, on the other hand, improved Nebraska's recruiting from 32&31 to 25, but digressed in the W/L department from 9-3 to 6-7, albeit very close losses.

So If your a Michigan fan, you have to be very encouraged for the future.
If your a Nebraska fan, you should probably find someone or some other program to be critical of besides Jim Harbaugh and Michigan.

With the resurgence of Ohio St. & Michigan, it certainly appears that the conference title drought will continue into the foreseeable future, although the West seems to be wide open and Mike has built a reputation on occasionally rising up and beating some highly ranked teams. Sadly, part of that reputation also seems to be losing games he is expected to win.

Nebraska fan optimism rests in the hope that Mike Riley can turn those narrow losses into victories.

Too hard to be patient, isn't it? Always got to compare with the other guys...