So now that Saturday's line has settled in at roughly 2 TDs...
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There is no moral victory in this game
Since there's a good chance it will be a difference maker for our season. A win of any variety and we'll all be sky high, a loss by 2 TDs or less and we'll all be disappointed, and a blowout loss, we'll be crushed.
Since there's a good chance it will be a difference maker for our season. A win of any variety and we'll all be sky high, a loss by 2 TDs or less and we'll all be disappointed, and a blowout loss, we'll be crushed.
Early college football lines are notoriously unreliable. I'll be disappointed if we don't win outright, much less cover the spread.
We are an SEC team for goodness sake. There's no reason for us to be intimidated by a Big XII team.
OSU could be really good, but they're likely to be the 4th or 5th best team we play this year (Bama, LSU, A&M, USCe). No reason we can't win.
We are an SEC team for goodness sake. There's no reason for us to be intimidated by a Big XII team.
OSU could be really good, but they're likely to be the 4th or 5th best team we play this year (Bama, LSU, A&M, USCe). No reason we can't win.
You may be correct, but this 'we are SEC' crap is dumb to me. So what if we are SEC? These guys are picked to win the Big 12 over Texas and Oklahoma, you don't think they could hold their own in the mighty SEC?
This isn't accurate. Auburn is the difference maker for our season. We can lose to the pokes and be just fine.
Only the bears celebrate moral victories. Let them hang all the moral victory banners they want to. I'll help them hang a 2013 Egg Bowl moral victory myself.
There are none in this game.
Time to win the big game. I don't care what OSU's preseason prognostication is, they aren't significantly recruiting better than we are. In year 5 of Mullen's tenure, it's time to win big games against teams that aren't head and shoulders ahead of us in talent. I can live with us competing and losing in the 4th quarter after OSU making plays. It will suck, but it won't be worthy of any spin. If we get blown out, I'm pissed. A blow out means we got out-schemed and out coached, something that should not happen at this point.
Time to win the big game. I don't care what OSU's preseason prognostication is, they aren't significantly recruiting better than we are. In year 5 of Mullen's tenure, it's time to win big games against teams that aren't head and shoulders ahead of us in talent. I can live with us competing and losing in the 4th quarter after OSU making plays. It will suck, but it won't be worthy of any spin. If we get blown out, I'm pissed. A blow out means we got out-schemed and out coached, something that should not happen at this point.
It's the same approach some of our fans had before the Gator Bowl. The SEC logo didn't help us that day.
Being the 4th or 5th best team on our schedule does not exactly mean a team sucks. Hell, basically every team beyond number 8 or so in the nation would be the 4th or 5th best team on our schedule.
I am more worried about the matchup than the ranking. I would honestly feel better playing a higher ranked team like Notre Dame or Florida State that runs a more traditional offense.
I'll consider it a positive if the offense scores 30+ and we're in the game until late in the fourth quarter. I expect us to get rolled.
No moral victories. We need to be competitive with the best teams in the Big 12 if we are going to keep our head above water in the SEC West. As somebody mentioned, OSU is going to be around the 5th best team on our schedule. Bama, USCe, A&M, and LSU are all going to be good, and if OSU is better than any of them, it won't be significantly better. Losing to them won't mean we're terrible, but it will mean we have a razor thin margin of error for getting to a bowl game.
What is hold their own? We won't know until the season starts, but they're unlikely to be as good as UGA or Bama. At the high end maybe they're the third best team in the SEC, with most of USCe, UF, A&M, and LSU easily within tossup range (I could see one or more of LSU, A&M, and UF backsliding a decent amount this year). At the low end, they're behind all those teams. So yes, they can hold their own if you mean be in the top half of the conference.
But they're expected to win their conference. We're likely between the 7th and 12th best team in the SEC. If we're the 12th, we're going to lose and probably lose badly. But if we're the 7th, while still not a favorite, we should have a decent chance to win. That's why it matters that we're in the SEC. The 7th team from any other conference isn't generally going to have a decent chance of knocking off a favorite from another major conference.
If what you are saying is true, we should disband the football program immediately. It's a huge waste of time.
We ARE a 17ing SEC school. We have to Bama & LSU every 17ing year. Why in the 17 would we be intimidated by Oklahoma State?
They MIGHT be good. They might win. But we're just as good if not better than them. Lord knows the vaunted 'crootin rankings have us very close over the last three or four years. There's no reason we couldn't beat them, or even rip them a new one. The spinelessness of our fan base is embarrassing.
We ARE a 17ing SEC school. We have to Bama & LSU every 17ing year. Why in the 17 would we be intimidated by Oklahoma State?
They MIGHT be good. They might win. But we're just as good if not better than them. Lord knows the vaunted 'crootin rankings have us very close over the last three or four years. There's no reason we couldn't beat them, or even rip them a new one. The spinelessness of our fan base is embarrassing.
We also need to keep in mind we lost to the 4th and 5th best teams on our schedule last year.
So not expecting us to beat the team picked to win the Big 12 = Spineless and embarrassing?????
Nobody said **** about being intimidated but there is a reason they are ranked in virtually every poll while MSU is not The reality of it is that if we win it will be a huge upset to start the year. The letters S-E-C don't mean jack once the ball kicks off.
I fully agree here. We have equal or many better players. It is the first game on a neutral site. Our coaches must realize that cowboys like to put up 50 and will try and put up 60 on us if at all possible. I would also bet that our Coaches will not be letting up on this game at all.
I think playing tougher competition year and year out better prepares us to play well.
I also think we have recruited just as well if not better than they have.
On top of that, you know what else doesn't matter after the ball gets kicked off? That silly little number beside their name. A group of people decided they are the #13 team in the country. Big 17ing deal. Those same people perpetually put teams in their preseason top 10 that finish the season with a .500 record or worse. Wasn't USC a top five team to start the year last season? How'd that work out?
We may lose to them. I wouldn't be shocked. But after 5 years I expect us to be on the same level with OSU. Not way better. Just equals. They went 8-5 last year for goodness sake.
I also think we have recruited just as well if not better than they have.
On top of that, you know what else doesn't matter after the ball gets kicked off? That silly little number beside their name. A group of people decided they are the #13 team in the country. Big 17ing deal. Those same people perpetually put teams in their preseason top 10 that finish the season with a .500 record or worse. Wasn't USC a top five team to start the year last season? How'd that work out?
We may lose to them. I wouldn't be shocked. But after 5 years I expect us to be on the same level with OSU. Not way better. Just equals. They went 8-5 last year for goodness sake.
Be careful going down that road. I can agree to disagree about Oklahoma State, but if you want to attempt to say MSU is better off by playing tougher out of conference teams ie BCS conference teams, you're going to get destroyed. Since 1992 (modern SEC schedule), these are the results of doing just that:
1992: Texas, W, ended 7-4
1995: Baylor, W, ended 3-8
1998: Oklahoma State, L, ended 8-3
1999: Oklahoma State, W, ended 9-2
2000: BYU, W, ended 7-4
2001: BYU, L, ended 3-8
2002: Oregon, L, ended 3-9
2003: Oregon, L, ended 2-10
2006: West Virginia, L, ended 3-9
2007: West Virginia, L, ended 7-5
2008: Georgia Tech, L, ended 4-8
2009: Georgia Tech, L, ended 5-7
So, as you can see, it really matters not what comes of that OOC game. If anything, it HURTS us in years when we are mediocre, such 2009, when we could have been bowling had we not played Georgia Tech, who was highly ranked at the time. Would you rather play Georgia Tech during the season or play Michigan in the postseason? Unfortunately many MSU fans I think would say the former. Ignorance.
And it's also another reason that this Oklahoma State game doesn't affect our season much at all, except for one extra W/L, whatever it is. So why not play a sure win and focus our efforts on beating Auburn/LSU/Alabama? Time and time again it has been shown that even if you play an easy schedule, no one cares if you beat a good team or two. Nobody gave two ***** about Texas A&M's cadaver non-conference sked last year, because they beat Alabama. If we had pulled out the Auburn or South Carolina games in 2011, no one would care about our OOC sked back then either.
It's really this simple. Do you want to talk about the payday and the national audience for playing this game? Sure, I can buy those reasons. But trying to say it 'helps' MSU and prepares us better? Get that weak crap out of here. We'll get plenty of preparation with Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, South Carolina and Ole Miss.
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And in a 1 game scenario the SEC logo won't help any team. The question was could they hold thier own for a season. The answer is no. The conference is simply too physical I don't care who the team is. No one is going to come into the sec.. play an 8 game sec sched..especially the sec west and run the table. Even A&M didn't.. and they had lightening in a bottle.
BS on the Moral Victory
New season... even though I don't have much wool,
Mid-tier SEC school vs most anybody this is just another week, and whoever executes, wins,
O sells tickets, D wins games, so I've heard.
'While I have respect for Oklahoma, I'm not in Awe!
New season... even though I don't have much wool,
Mid-tier SEC school vs most anybody this is just another week, and whoever executes, wins,
O sells tickets, D wins games, so I've heard.
'While I have respect for Oklahoma, I'm not in Awe!
I can see this going like the A&M game last year. Our defense sucks against no huddle offenses. We almost lost to Troy! If this happens State fans will be demoralized. Hoping the D is much improved over last year and Mullen lights a fire under some asses.
Go back and re-read my post. You completely missed the point. I was saying that because we play an SEC schedule year in and year out, we have no reason to think we can't hang with and beat, even beat soundly, a team like OSU. I don't care one way or another about our OOC schedule.
SEC teams can play bad football with the worst of 'em (See Auburn, UK, Mizzou & ARK last year). Not saying MSU will be that bad, but playing in the SEC doesn't guarantee success.
And don't sleep on the Big 12. A Big 12 team went 11-2 playing in the SEC last year,
So, OK State is as good as TAMU last year and the staff has made no adjustments over the off-season. Great! Welcome back from cryogenic sleep!**