So overall IHSA Football in 2015?

[jwarigaku]

Sweet water,

You are simply being silly. They recruit nationally and make serious college placement promises. An example would be John O'Korn who transferred from up north to STA. When
he arrived he was only good enough to be the JV back up QB however within 2 months had gone from and unranked zero star QB to a 3+ star recruit as the JV Backup. Within 3 months he was holding a handful of offers and by signing day was in the mid teens. He's a great kid and I know him well but nothing changed about him from the time he left the north to attend STA other than where he was living. STA recruited him heavily to play the role of a back up, do you think any illinois team is prepared to recruit on this level, or better yet be able to secure the D1 recruiting attention of Epic's cited list?...NO!

Of course not. That would be an extreme claim.
But I am saying that Michelle Pfeiffer doesn't have to work nearly as hard to attract a good-looking man as most other women do.

 

[USD24]

I will give you the lack of "elite" status due to the lack of a ton of D1 guys but to say GW should have lost to MC is laughable. Go back and watch the tape and you will see the most conservative game ever as GW rarely pulls out the stops in early playoff games. GW ran roughly 5 different plays all game and did just enough to hold back a pesky opponent. The result was never in doubt, only the final score.

The game was never in doubt? Cmon. It was scoreless through 3 quarters, with MC missing a 36 yd field goal. With GW leading in the 4th quarter, MC had two final drives. One ended with an INT on the GW 10 yard line, the other ended when MC had 1st and goal on the 6 yard line and could not push it in. MC had the ball in the red zone four times. I/m not going to say that GW should have lost, but to say the result was never in doubt is laughable. Sam Brodner was quoted after the game stating "We could have easily lost this game."

 

[illini14]

I will give you the lack of "elite" status due to the lack of a ton of D1 guys but to say GW should have lost to MC is laughable. Go back and watch the tape and you will see the most conservative game ever as GW rarely pulls out the stops in early playoff games. GW ran roughly 5 different plays all game and did just enough to hold back a pesky opponent. The result was never in doubt, only the final score.

And I will disagree with you on that one. I get it if your son was on the team, but to be that biased is a bit much. Couple questionable calls from officials (happens every game, yes), an interception that wasn't an interception in GW territory in the 2nd half (Mt. Carmel kid had it) and I do believe Mt. Carmel had the ball on the GW goalline with a couple minutes left on the clock to tie the game up. To say the result was never in doubt is a huge stretch. Skinner, the only other offensive weapon, was out the whole 2nd half with an injury. This game was basically Brodner carrying the ball so that no one else on the offense would mess up and knowing the defense would stop Mt. Carmel who had a QB that was hurt and couldn't run the veer. Mt. Carmel ran a no-read dive play the whole game or ran quick passes, I think they threw it 20+ times. I'm not sure thats Frank Lenti's ideal game plan.

I was at the game. Yes they ran about 4-5 plays the whole game, but isn't that GW does? This is a ground and pound offense, play great defense, don't turn it over, don't get penalties team. Feed your stud, play to your studs on defense. Adreasek (SP?) and Gagliano were outstanding HS players. This is what GW does and they are outstanding at it.

 

[capnbillhitters]

The game was never in doubt? Cmon. It was scoreless through 3 quarters, with MC missing a 36 yd field goal. With GW leading in the 4th quarter, MC had two final drives. One ended with an INT on the GW 10 yard line, the other ended when MC had 1st and goal on the 6 yard line and could not push it in. MC had the ball in the red zone four times. I/m not going to say that GW should have lost, but to say the result was never in doubt is laughable. Sam Brodner was quoted after the game stating "We could have easily lost this game."

Guys, MC had 136 yards of offense. Sorry, butjust because they got close to the end zone does not mean the game was in doubt.

 

[capnbillhitters]

And I will disagree with you on that one. I get it if your son was on the team, but to be that biased is a bit much. Couple questionable calls from officials (happens every game, yes), an interception that wasn't an interception in GW territory in the 2nd half (Mt. Carmel kid had it) and I do believe Mt. Carmel had the ball on the GW goalline with a couple minutes left on the clock to tie the game up. To say the result was never in doubt is a huge stretch. Skinner, the only other offensive weapon, was out the whole 2nd half with an injury. This game was basically Brodner carrying the ball so that no one else on the offense would mess up and knowing the defense would stop Mt. Carmel who had a QB that was hurt and couldn't run the veer. Mt. Carmel ran a no-read dive play the whole game or ran quick passes, I think they threw it 20+ times. I'm not sure thats Frank Lenti's ideal game plan.

I was at the game. Yes they ran about 4-5 plays the whole game, but isn't that GW does? This is a ground and pound offense, play great defense, don't turn it over, don't get penalties team. Feed your stud, play to your studs on defense. Adreasek (SP?) and Gagliano were outstanding HS players. This is what GW does and they are outstanding at it.

Generally speaking yes...there are 4-5 core plays that usually get GW into a safe position to rotate guys out. But go back and watch GW v HC or GW v Rockford Auburn and you will see a fully developed and amazing passing game and plays that most GW fans only see once every couple of years.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Guys, MC had 136 yards of offense. Sorry, butjust because they got close to the end zone does not mean the game was in doubt.

What?

If GBW had put up several scores against MC and held them scoreless while doing so, I would agree with you. But they didn't. Instead, GBW managed one score late in the 3rd against MC. All it takes is one play out of those 136 total yards of MC offense to tie up the game. MC running 26 of 28 second half plays in their offensive half, missing a reasonable distance FGA, and being stopped in the red zone a couple of times late in the game means the outcome absolutely was in doubt in a one score game.

To claim that the outcome was never in doubt in a game like that seems to me to be a very generous spin on a one score game.

 

[capnbillhitters]

What?

If GBW had put up several scores against MC and held them scoreless while doing so, I would agree with you. But they didn't. Instead, GBW managed one score late in the 3rd against MC. All it takes is one play out of those 136 total yards of MC offense to tie up the game. MC running 26 of 28 second half plays in their offensive half, missing a reasonable distance FGA, and being stopped in the red zone a couple of times late in the game means the outcome absolutely was in doubt in a one score game.

To claim that the outcome was never in doubt in a game like that seems to me to be a very generous spin on a one score game.

I am nothing if not generous

 

[The Rainmaker]

Generally speaking yes...there are 4-5 core plays that usually get GW into a safe position to rotate guys out. But go back and watch GW v HC or GW v Rockford Auburn and you will see a fully developed and amazing passing game and plays that most GW fans only see once every couple of years.

No one in this thread has mentioned that the regular punter for GW was out with an injury and the back up was a hurt and got off some really poor punts ( 10-15 yards) which repeatedly gave MC great field position. With their regular punter in , this game would have been 28-0 in favor of GW which held MC to its lowest total yardage in 40-50 years at only 135 yards.

 

[capnbillhitters]

No one in this thread has mentioned that the regular punter for GW was out with an injury and the back up was a hurt and got off some really poor punts ( 10-15 yards) which repeatedly gave MC great field position. With their regular punter in , this game would have been 28-0 in favor of GW which held MC to its lowest total yardage in 40-50 years at only 135 yards.

Look, I am obviously being a bit provocative by saying it was "never in doubt." My original reason for jumping in was due to the statement made by illini14 that MC should have won the game. That statement is far more outrageous than mine.

If we run down reasons like missing punter, missing FB, missing Safety etc., that only supports the reasoning of why MC might have beat GW. EVEN WITH all those ailments, my point is that MC may have scored against GW on their final drive, but GW still had an amazing number of shots left in the chamber for a final drive. The bigger point is that 136 yards of total offense is the only stat you need to know to know that GW was in control of that game.

As a GW supporter, I had a much more uneasy feeling about HS or HC games than I did about MC.

 

[illini14]

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Look, I am obviously being a bit provocative by saying it was "never in doubt." My original reason for jumping in was due to the statement made by illini14 that MC should have won the game. That statement is far more outrageous than mine.

If we run down reasons like missing punter, missing FB, missing Safety etc., that only supports the reasoning of why MC might have beat GW. EVEN WITH all those ailments, my point is that MC may have scored against GW on their final drive, but GW still had an amazing number of shots left in the chamber for a final drive. The bigger point is that 136 yards of total offense is the only stat you need to know to know that GW was in control of that game.

As a GW supporter, I had a much more uneasy feeling about HS or HC games than I did about MC.

This argument isn't going to go any further, no one is going to budge. Moving on....

 

[godfthr53]

No one in this thread has mentioned that the regular punter for GW was out with an injury and the back up was a hurt and got off some really poor punts ( 10-15 yards) which repeatedly gave MC great field position. With their regular punter in , this game would have been 28-0 in favor of GW which held MC to its lowest total yardage in 40-50 years at only 135 yards.

I've never seen a punter that would swing the game 21 points.

 

[PowerI66_]

 

[BretEpic]

I've never seen a punter that would swing the game 21 points.

Well, if Brodner punted...

 

[capnbillhitters]

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This argument isn't going to go any further, no one is going to budge. Moving on....

Usually best option when you get schooled

Cheers

 

[illini14]

Usually best option when you get schooled

Cheers

Post of the year.

 

[SweetWalter34]

They recruit nationally and make serious college placement promises. An example would be John O'Korn who transferred from up north to STA.

1. You might be mistaken, really mistaken, about your accusation.
2. In addition, you might be mistaken about incriminating, by name, Saint Thomas Aquinas High School and your acquaintance's family on a public blog.

 

[jwarigaku]

Sweet Walter,

Please elaborate where I'm wrong! I presented the facts. John O'korn was a very good player when he lived in Pennsylvania but was unrecognized and under recruited. He moved to Florida and suddenly he was a Stud recruit, as a JV backup. Part of this is because of Florida's reputation/myth(see Edgy's comments on Jeff Thomas) and a bigger part is due to the National reputation of STA. Their staff includes a college recruiting coach who's job is to interface with the college coaches so the head coach doesn't have to. These types of staff are set up at all of the "big" schools, but I don't know of one school here is Illinois that does such. Every private in Nashville is set up the same way as well, so your Brentwood academy's, Ensworth's, etc all get national attention from college recruiters which they in turn sell to their recruits and hence recruit at least Regional recruits from a 6-10 state region.

You seem to try to portray yourself as an expert here, how many kids recruitments have you been involved with and how many landed in major D1 program?

1. You might be mistaken, really mistaken, about your accusation.
2. In addition, you might be mistaken about incriminating, by name, Saint Thomas Aquinas High School and your acquaintance's family on a public blog.

 

[Wild_Mustang]