So, we could have had Hood and Pollard on this team at the same time......

[Railin Jemmye]

I swear MSU can never capitalize when the talent is right there for them. Bender, Outlaw, Ellis. Then, when they change the NBA rule making many more one and dones, MS does not produce any. MS starts produces solid (not elite) talent again, and MSU is not in a position to get them (Hood, Pollard) due to coaching **** ups. Awesome.

Not sure when basketball signing day is, but there doesn't seem to be any high profile MS bball prospects out there for 2013, maybe Ray will be in a position to get Booker from Moss Point in 2014. We already got another MS guy in the fold. Then 2015 with the guy from Jackson.

I go back and look at Antonio McDyess too - why is that guy going to Alabama? Pollard? Alabama is not even a bball school, we shouldn't be getting beat by them. MS produced Erick Dampier, we sign him, we have our most successful 3 year run in history. Yeah, we've done a good job getting the 'right below elite' talent like Gordon and Austin', but what MSU has missed all this time is that 5* NBA guy. And typically the only way we can get them is if they are from Mississippi.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Booker and Newman are a dream at this point, sad to say.

 

[esplanade91]

LSU grabs more elite Mississippi talent than we do. Check their lineup. Again, this goes back to my argument of Stans being completely overrated as a recruiter.

Ray should be fine going forward.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

LSU grabs more elite Mississippi talent than we do. Check their lineup. Again, this goes back to my argument of Stans being completely overrated as a recruiter.

Ray should be fine going forward.

Who, besides Ronald Dupree and Johnny O'Bryant, did LSU grab from MS while Stans was in charge? I don't think Andre Stringer or Jalen Courtney qualify as "elite".

/Chris Jackson and Maurice Carter were before Stans was HC.

 

[dawgstudent]

Before stans, Vernel Singleton with the band aid always on his shoulder.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

Booker and Newman are a dream at this point, sad to say.

I don't know about Booker, but Newman is, unfortunately for us, a UNC-UK-Duke type one-and-done guy.

And as far as McDyess - Quitman is just about as close to Tuscaloosa as Starkville. Plus it's a larger school in a larger town. When McDyess went there, they were much more of a basketball school than we were. They had just produced Horry, Sprewell, and Derrick McKey, plus he played with James Robinson.

 

[esplanade91]

Who, besides Ronald Dupree and Johnny O'Bryant, did LSU grab from MS while Stans was in charge? I don't think Andre Stringer or Jalen Courtney qualify as "elite".

/Chris Jackson and Maurice Carter were before Stans was HC.

It was poor choice of words for me to say "elite". I should have said "good". When they came to The Hump last year I remember reading the program and seeing that a couple players were from Jackson high schools and maybe one from Bay St. Louis, and I remember them dominating the game compared to their MSU counterpart. I could care less about LSU basketball so you'll have to excuse me for not knowing exact details.

I guess what I was getting at was Stans signed a ton of guys like Deville Smith who weren't as good as _____ from LSU. Now whether they were considered "good" when they were being recruited in high school, I have no clue.

LSU and other schools haven't had problems coming into Mississippi and finding quality role players over the last several years, while Stans made his living on signing guys from Tennessee, North Carolina, and south Louisiana. That was my point.

I should also add that I have no problem not signing Mississippi guys like we do in football. Different animal. What I do have a problem with is going out and signing Kentucky's trash because he went to a coach's high school. If we're going to blatantly sign people to sign people for some "we signed some state's 1A player of the year! Recruiter!" motive, we should just give a scholarship to some random *** kid from a decent Mississippi program that has always dreamed of coming to MSU.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

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/I was looking for a band-aid pic

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I agree.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

It was poor choice of words for me to say "elite". I should have said "good". When they came to The Hump last year I remember reading the program and seeing that a couple players were from Jackson high schools and maybe one from Bay St. Louis, and I remember them dominating the game compared to their MSU counterpart. I could care less about LSU basketball so you'll have to excuse me for not knowing exact details. I guess what I was getting at was Stans signed a ton of guys like Deville Smith who weren't as good as _____ from LSU. Now whether they were considered "good" when they were being recruited in high school, I have no clue.

Well, we won in Starkville last year. Andre Stringer had a good game. He is a streaky-shooting guard who likes to score (not pass). But you're probably remembering Hickey, the little guard with long hair (not from MS). O'Bryant didn't really do anything against us, and Jalen Courtney didn't even play. So I'm not sure what domination you remember.


As for who was the bigger recruit in high school, obviously hindsight is 20/20. It would be nice to have Andre Stringer on the roster instead of NOT having Deville. But coming out of high school, Deville was the better "traditional" PG. Plus Deville was a year younger, and even if we really wanted him, Stringer wasn't going to come to Starkville to ride the pine behind Bost, when he could start in Baton Rouge. O'Bryant was certainly good talent that we couldn't land, probably thanks in part to having Moultrie and Sidney logging post minutes last year (lack of FR playing time). But Courtney doesn't fit that category.

LSU grabs more elite Mississippi talent than we do. Check their lineup.

That whole statement is a poor choice of words. That's why I asked "who else has LSU grabbed?"

LSU and other schools haven't had problems coming into Mississippi and finding quality role players over the last several years, while Stans made his living on signing guys from Tennessee, North Carolina, and south Louisiana. That was my point.

How many quality college role players has MS produced in the last 5 years? There haven't been that many. And of those, Stans signed his fair share. He built his program on MS guys like Michael Gholar, Marckell Patterson, Detrick White, Tyrone Washington, Lincoln Smith (should've been a LT), etc. I am no Stans-apologist, but he recruited Mississippi as well as anyone. It just wasn't good enough the last few years, and then he was bitten by all of the problem kids he brought in (even in-staters like Osby, Deville, Rayvern).

Where have all the Quentin Smiths gone?

 

[DawgatAuburn]

A quick scan of the LSU roster turned up no Mississippians between Ronald Dupree and Stringer/Courtney/O'Bryant. Not a one.

 

[Maroonthirteen]

Mississippians for the most part, not just ball players, are always looking to leave the state. Just the way it is and always has been.

Alabama has always gotten the basketball players from MS they want too. Eric Washington and Russell Walters at first to name two.

 

[DAWG61]

That's a great start for most overrated All Mississippi team. Add in Deville Smith, Ravern Johnson and Renardo Sidney (from Jackson right?) and you could **** the bed worse than Stansbury with that group.

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

I can't believe that no one has mentioned Othella Herrington. He was maroon and white but his mom wanted him to play for a black coach so he went to Georgetown. True story.

I swear MSU can never capitalize when the talent is right there for them. Bender, Outlaw, Ellis. Then, when they change the NBA rule making many more one and dones, MS does not produce any. MS starts produces solid (not elite) talent again, and MSU is not in a position to get them (Hood, Pollard) due to coaching **** ups. Awesome.

Not sure when basketball signing day is, but there doesn't seem to be any high profile MS bball prospects out there for 2013, maybe Ray will be in a position to get Booker from Moss Point in 2014. We already got another MS guy in the fold. Then 2015 with the guy from Jackson.

I go back and look at Antonio McDyess too - why is that guy going to Alabama? Pollard? Alabama is not even a bball school, we shouldn't be getting beat by them. MS produced Erick Dampier, we sign him, we have our most successful 3 year run in history. Yeah, we've done a good job getting the 'right below elite' talent like Gordon and Austin', but what MSU has missed all this time is that 5* NBA guy. And typically the only way we can get them is if they are from Mississippi.

 

[SanfordRJones]

We also lost James Robinson to Alabama.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Okay ...

LSU grabs more elite Mississippi talent than we do. Check their lineup. Again, this goes back to my argument of Stans being completely overrated as a recruiter.

Ray should be fine going forward.

Historically, LSU has had better basketball teams than State, has better SEC record, has won more head to head games with us and has invested more into their program.

Yet, Stans was able to win 18 of 31 times (58%) head to head. We didn't dominate them but winning 58% of the games is not that bad.

So, it looks like all that "elite Mississippi talent" hasn't really helped them as much as you infer.

Overrated or underrated recruiter... overrated or underrated floor coach ... I don't care. What matters is winning. Ray gets a "pass" this year BUT what evidence do you offer that "Ray should be fine going forward?"

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

Murrah has not been friendly to MSU and has always sent hoops talent to Bama.

We also lost James Robinson to Alabama.

 

[Irondawg]

Deville was going to be pretty dang good if not from his issues. Talent wise he's above Stringer by a good bit.

 

[BulldogBacker]

It will take a few years before the most "elite" of Mississippi high school basketball players come knocking at our door. Give Rick Ray and his staff a couple of years to develop players, and we will see more elite talent on the floor. Kids will see the development of Roquez Johnson, walkon Tyson Cunningham, and our freshmen and they can decide for themselves that they can be the best they can be playing for us. I think Rick Ray is a very good coach. He really knows the game and has a sense for floor generalship in floor coaching. He makes adjustments during games well. He also talks frequently with Richard Williams. He helps open doors for Rick with high school coaches.

 

[DawgsOnTheWing]

It just wasn't good enough the last few years, and then he was bitten by all of the problem kids he brought in (even in-staters like Osby, Deville, Rayvern).

How was Osby a problem child (honest question)? I always thought Ro's transfer was more a response to the Sidney signinig?

 

[mstateglfr]

While Osby was at MSU, there were never rumors or stories of him acting out, fighting, missing practices/classes, or badmouthing his team and coaches.

Yes he may not have been happy with his role in the program, but that doesnt mean he was a problem child.


Augustus? Problem child
Ravern? Problem child
Sidney? Baby Huey problem child
Bost? Problem child at times and good leader at times

Osby though? Osby seemed like the Delks- showed up to do what he could, wasnt able to fit into the program how he they wanted, and left for what they thought would be a better opportunity.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

How was Osby a problem child (honest question)? I always thought Ro's transfer was more a response to the Sidney signinig?

You're right - I don't know that he was a problem child. I was really just thinking of our talented in-state players that either were problems or transferred (or both). I don't think Ro left because Sidney came in, because they were tight in high school and AAU. I think it was more of a lack of playing time and shot opportunities.

 

[FirstPoetsThenSunDoggy]

The bottom line remains that we have fallen from the top half of the SEC to the very bottom. Everybody says we'll get back up there and higher, but that idea ain't based on anything but mankind's eternal possession, Hope. We actually have no idea whether we will remain on the bottom for years or decades or somehow dig ourselves out of this deep and stinking hole. We just hope . . .

 

[DerHntr]

you are right that we have hope but we also have an advantage. Remember Bama being down in football and Crooms beat them? They have a winning history. They came raging back with a vengence. We in no way, shape, or form have the same kind of history in basketball as they do in football, but we have enough recent winning history to at least argue that getting back to being in the top half of the SEC is easier for us than for a team that has never been there. Plus, we are fortunate that this is basketball and all it takes is several quality players and for them to really buy in to what Ray is doing. We also have the weakest SEC basketball in a long time right now. Being in the top half may not equate to what it was in the past. So I think we get there.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Because you know who refused to use his bench in any sort of way that made logical sense or that benefited the team.