Lol he’s a victim? You have to got to be fugging kidding me. Dude makes 9 million a year.
So when does enough = enough?
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Lol he’s a victim? You have to got to be fugging kidding me. Dude makes 9 million a year.
********.He missed on his top targets and had to settle for guys like Askew.
Just admit you have no idea what I am. I defended Cal on here. Defended him to the core. But I began to see what others already had.
Think about it. Cal had Fox, Monk, and Bam on the same team. No title, not even a FF.
DO the math partner:
15-16 lose in 2nd rd to IU
16-17 lose in E8 to UNC
17-18 lose in S16 to K State
18-19 lose in E8 to Aub
19-20 no tourney
20-21 Don't even make the tourney
That's 6 years. Tubby last 6 years were as good or better than Cal's.
Some. I’m pissed off about numerous things and I want changes. This season was unacceptable X 1000. With that said, you can’t just ignore the fact that he won 330 games the previous 11 season. He’s earned the right to have a chance to fix this mess. But he needs to do it. And soon.
When is enough enough? You have to ask Mitch Barnhart that since he gave him a contract to the end of time.
He hasn't even come close to 80% the last 6 years.
Everyone in the country has had to deal with covid. It does not excuse poor job performance.
If there's another season like this one I think we will see boosters/fans/whoever pitch in on the buyout to get him out of town. Hell if that buyout wasn't in place there's good cause to move on from him now.
But short of that, I think realistically if next year's team doesn't go to the Elite Eight at worst, then he will have one more season after that before the seat gets too hot.
And this may be an unpopular opinion but when Cal leaves I'd like to see Mitch Barnhart leave with him. Dude has the negotiating skills of a 3 year old who trades a dollar bill for a pair of quarters, because 2 > 1.
Give me Chris Holtmann
But short of that, I think realistically if next year's team doesn't go to the Elite Eight at worst, then he will have one more season after that before the seat gets too hot.
And this may be an unpopular opinion but when Cal leaves I'd like to see Mitch Barnhart leave with him. Dude has the negotiating skills of a 3 year old who trades a dollar bill for a pair of quarters, because 2 > 1.
Give me Chris Holtmann
It’s not though. It’s a very reasonable question. If enough is enough and we dumped Cal (we won’t) then you will need to replace him. So who we gonna replace him with. Now, speaking of predictable, you will see 50 ding dongs say “replace him with anyone who can win more than 9 games” or “hell, replace him with me and my cross eyed brother we can do just as good for half the price”........now that is lazy and predictable
There aren’t as many “Cal lovers” as you doomers want to boast. I’m sure there are plenty, but there are a lot of folks like myself who don’t see an equal or better replacement on the horizon that is a realistic option. So I myself would prefer to have Cal who can do it and has done it. I am not impressed with Beard or Oats at this stage and I’m sorry but Brad stevens isn’t coming. I choose to cull this year because holy **** it was bad. It was bad on a historic level and it won’t happen again, maybe ever.
Of course most of what I just said is all moot and pretty much this entire thread is all moot because Cal isn’t getting fired. No way in hell and he doesn’t deserve to be based on his success here. He is also very unlikely to leave on his own because of 2 reasons, number one is his ego. Number B is the fact that If he rides it out for 3 more years then UK owes him 1 million dollars a year for life. So you guys are basically gonna whine yourselves into oblivion for no reason.
AGAIN..No team or coach has more NCAAT wins than Cal and Kentucky over the past 11 years..not K, not Self, not Roy, ..no one..
I"m personally done with the justification of watching bad basketball just because Cal says thats the way it has to be.
No Cal, you win in November/December/Jan/Feb against good teams and made for TV matchups.
losing to a team of Duke OADs by a thousand points should have been a wake up call. losing to Evansville should have been a wake up call. Nope, we had to have a 9-16 season for you to conclude players first means trashing them after the game telling the fans a team you assembled had no will to win, no ability to beat players that will be in church pick up leagues 4 years from now.
Enjoy the process. No I won't. Its sucks, and now your agenda of defining your legacy as some NBA pipeline development guy has put our program into a death spiral that we may not recover from due to a combination of fan apathy and unwatchable basketball 70% of the season (if not more).
No one will shed a tear if you throw a tantrum, call us all a bunch of ungrateful hicks (like you allude to in many of your post game press conferences now), pack your gucci bags and go.
but if you come back, you better be 2009 Cal. 2021 Cal is a loser.
No Cal, you win in November/December/Jan/Feb against good teams and made for TV matchups.
losing to a team of Duke OADs by a thousand points should have been a wake up call. losing to Evansville should have been a wake up call. Nope, we had to have a 9-16 season for you to conclude players first means trashing them after the game telling the fans a team you assembled had no will to win, no ability to beat players that will be in church pick up leagues 4 years from now.
Enjoy the process. No I won't. Its sucks, and now your agenda of defining your legacy as some NBA pipeline development guy has put our program into a death spiral that we may not recover from due to a combination of fan apathy and unwatchable basketball 70% of the season (if not more).
No one will shed a tear if you throw a tantrum, call us all a bunch of ungrateful hicks (like you allude to in many of your post game press conferences now), pack your gucci bags and go.
but if you come back, you better be 2009 Cal. 2021 Cal is a loser.
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yet Kansas is about to pass us in all time wins.
he didn't try to do anything, he failed in his original attempts to land players and ended up with that. These rationalizations I read are crazy
We have a kid that should be playing in high school as our starting PG ....for the University of Kentucky.
There is a reason why no other coach builds a program like that too.
Now Cal has proven he can lose his entire roster and have a 9-16 year.
for the University of Kentucky
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This^^. We will see what type of man Cal is. I hope he seriously evaluates his options.
A. Resign and save his legacy
B. Return and have a great year, elite 8 or better
C. Have a 17-13 type year, miss the tourney or bad seed, lose first weekend, get fired and legacy ruined. Being fired from the NBA and college would be a terrible blow to his ego.
All comes down to what he realistically thinks he can do next year.
You should save your thoughts and emotions. These idiots think we've had it bad forever because of one bad year. Our coach and our teams under him were amazing since he has been here (with exception of a couple of teams).
Regardless, these won't change their minds. They want the coach gone and they like bitching to each other about it. Let them form their tiny pod of unhappiness and do their irrational griping. None of these folks could coach a team. They have no idea the intricates of the process. They probably coached their son/daughter's team back in middle school and think they're Adolf Rupp.
Anyway, when we destroy teams next year with players coming back (and there will be players returning), these fans will forget that they hated the coach and be back on the wagon they jumped off of during this ride. They'll claim otherwise right now, and some will mysteriously disappear until a loss (shocking, right?).
Regardless, ignore them. Avoid this poisonous board, and go do something more productive.
These types of people live for being miserable. They are the same way at work, at home, and in the McDonald’s drive thru when their order isn’t perfect. You are correct about their bandwagon nature as well. Win some games and they will all lock arms and chant go big blue just like they always have. They are fickle, melodramatic, and hyper emotional
Cal knew it when he signed up to coach here. Those "miserable" people that hold expectations high are the reason we've sustained decades of winning basketball. The sunshine and flowers people that like status quo and accept decline as part of the game - thankfully that is a minority, or at least used to be, because we'd be Indiana with them.
They have all had better production than Cal in n the last 5 years. Do your homework bud.
Again....it ain't 2009 anymore. The last six years Cal's winning percentage is worse than every coach since Rupp except BCG and Sutton, but keep hanging on to the first 6 years.
Complete meltdown this year. Worst in a 100 years. But keep hanging on to the past. Keep believing that Cal is the only option. That nobody else is able to win at UK. That's just what he wants everyone to think while he continues to lower the standards at UK.
So you care more about cal saving his legacy(option A) than you do winning (option B). Lmao. Dude you’re the best
No, I care more about UK than I do Cal. I don't care about the NBA. I don't care what happens in the NBA. Or what kind of contracts players get in the NBA.
The last six years look like Tubby (but worse, missing tourney). I was ready for Tubby to leave, and I'm ready for Cal to leave.
But you didn’t watch any games. Remember. You quit. You remind everyone everyday you didn’t watch any games.
Smith certainly. BCG I dunno. I'm not sure these players would mesh well with BCG's personality issues.
I have found myself typing this out a lot. Hopefully it will make sense to someone of you because I see so many fans who are cal haters first and UK fans second.
“I really love this plane and I hope it lands safely. But I really hate the pilot and I hope that he gets sucked out the window”.
Its insane that you chose Cal stepping down to going to the elite 8 or better. You are a Cal hater first and foremost. You are a UK fan second and that’s ok, you do you man. But be a man and own it. Just admit it. He lost you due to his politics. Again, that’s fine because there’s no such thing as a wrong opinion because it’s right to you. I also don’t care about the NBA. But our guys are not in the NBA, they are at UK and I choose to be a UK fan and root for the success of the program
But you simply cannot have it both ways. You either want the team to win or you do not. The coach and the team.......you can’t have one without the other. They are one.
UK is and has been around long before Cal. You can't seem to understand the difference.
I want UK to win. They have won hundreds and hundreds of games with out Cal. Some seem to think UK will never be any good unless Cal is the one on the sideline.
Cal did not build UK. He has done nothing at UK that wasn't already done. FF's were already won. Titles were already won. Four other coaches before Cal won titles. That may be news to some of you.
His last six years is a 73% percent won-loss record. Behind Hall, behind Tubby, behind Pitino. His overall is 78%. Behind Rupp and Pitino. Statistiacally, he is trending down.
Cal has 1 title, 4 FF's, and 7 E8's (12yrs). Hall has 1 title, 3 FF's, and 5 E8's(13yrs).
Pitino has 1 title, 3 FF', and 5 E8's (8yrs). Tubby has 1 title, 1 FF, and 4 E8's (10yrs).
Cal is 1 for 2 in title games. So was Hall, so was Pitino.
Numbers, stats, numbers, stats.........you still chose option A. Nothing else you said was relevant. Read the choices again. You picked AGAINST a deep tourney run. It is what it is. I don’t need to read 1000 words on why you hate cal. You hate cal more than you love winning
Sorry you can't read. Not my problem. I don't want Cal here anymore. Don't care how you feel about that.
I'm just not convinced at this time, that Cal is some coach who will refuse to change and adapt. I'm pretty sure he understands that he's no longer going to get 3 of the top10 recruits and power his way to wins. The changing of the college basketball landscape isn't lost on him.
Next year will be critical. Because we'll have players back, with experience, just like we had in 2019 as a top10 team until the tournament got cancelled. Cal knows it will be more about coaching than it was over the last 10 years. He also won't have to rely on such an inexperienced team. I've always believed Cal's 1AD model he adopted when he came to Kentucky, meant sacrifices had to be made in other areas. He needed to get the team to be stable, before he could work on complex sets.
So I don't see any reason he can't, or won't, go back to being a better bench coach now that he has more roster consistency.
But, I can't say for certain that he WILL change, either. It's always been about next season for me.
Next year will be critical. Because we'll have players back, with experience, just like we had in 2019 as a top10 team until the tournament got cancelled. Cal knows it will be more about coaching than it was over the last 10 years. He also won't have to rely on such an inexperienced team. I've always believed Cal's 1AD model he adopted when he came to Kentucky, meant sacrifices had to be made in other areas. He needed to get the team to be stable, before he could work on complex sets.
So I don't see any reason he can't, or won't, go back to being a better bench coach now that he has more roster consistency.
But, I can't say for certain that he WILL change, either. It's always been about next season for me.
Bad analogy. The plane never departed because the pilot forgot how to take off. Waiting for a new pilot
I'm not willing to let a 9 mil a year coach have a throw away year. Why should he be afforded to have a year like this with the money UK gives him?
Why does deserve another year? because of what he did 6 years ago? I don't understand. 73% winning percentage the last 6 years.
Hey shadow. You literally just stole that from another poster..........it was ******** when he said and it’s ******** when you say it. It’s a perfect analogy. The plane took off but it was a rough flight. If you rooted for the pilot to die then you rooted for the passengers to die too. That’s sort of how plane crashes work and it’s parallel with team sports
It’s not an issue of reading comprehension. I think we are actually on the same page. You are a cal hater first and a uk fan second. It’s ok. I think it’s loony but you do you.
Nope. But I'm through explaining myself to someone who can't read.