So, Whitehead leaves AU
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I guess Dan and company are getting paid enough to order extra KY Jelly for the *** reaming they are taking... this is becoming epic.. I'm sick of this ****.. why does everybody else get away with this ****? who else is going to get offered cash that has been committed to us? what the $@%+ are we doing? I guess just sit back and take it continuously in the *** and say "thank you can I have another"...
if he didn't buddy up with these other recruits. I would love to know what turned him off to us or is it just his buddies.</p>
I don't post much here because it's a Mississippi State board and you should be able to vent however you want to vent . However, I've seen this enough times from posters here that I seriously have to ask.
Do you guys really believe...seriously...that you guys are squeaky clean and that every recruit you're losing is because of illegal payments from every other cheating school? Seriously? Whitehead just got back from visiting the defending national champions. It's kind of a big deal to get an offer from the defending national champions. I'm an Ole Miss fan as much as anyone I know, but if the national champions (whoever it was) offered me a scholarship when I was younger, I'd have considered it. I want to think you guys are just speaking out of anger on this stuff and don't really believe what you're typing. You've had a bad few weeks since the big bowl win, so I understand. But the idea that you're losing recruits because everyone else is cheating and you're doing things the right way is...well, it just sounds like the late night AM talk show callers claiming they just saw another UFO. What happened to this board? Everybody else is cheating except for you? Are ya serious, guys? Really? That's the excuse for losing a few recruits?
Do you guys really believe...seriously...that you guys are squeaky clean and that every recruit you're losing is because of illegal payments from every other cheating school? Seriously? Whitehead just got back from visiting the defending national champions. It's kind of a big deal to get an offer from the defending national champions. I'm an Ole Miss fan as much as anyone I know, but if the national champions (whoever it was) offered me a scholarship when I was younger, I'd have considered it. I want to think you guys are just speaking out of anger on this stuff and don't really believe what you're typing. You've had a bad few weeks since the big bowl win, so I understand. But the idea that you're losing recruits because everyone else is cheating and you're doing things the right way is...well, it just sounds like the late night AM talk show callers claiming they just saw another UFO. What happened to this board? Everybody else is cheating except for you? Are ya serious, guys? Really? That's the excuse for losing a few recruits?
because they'll get to see first-hand what going through a coaching change is like and they'll be great examples on why not to take the money.
Mike Slive is slowly turning the SEC into theold 1980's Southwest Conference, what withcondoning cheating, lawbreaking, andslavetrading. Mississippi State is trying to play by the rules, and has been kicking *** the past two years doing it that way. We know that if a recruit picks up a lucky pennyon the sidewalk outsideHumphrey Coliseum, we'll get 4 years probation with a loss of 20-30 scholarships...so that's why we're recruiting clean. OM has toplay dirty to keep up with The Mississippi State University. OMU is startingto look like MSU 2003...except with douchebag fans.Beatdown said:
we're doing a piss poor job of it. Is it so out of the ordinary that we are pissed because we lost a few huge recruits who have been committed to us for so long, only to flip just a couple of weeks/days before signing day? Recruits who have talked so highly of Mullen and MSU? How the 17 could you not get pissed about that and not think some shady **** was going on?
When Nutt has recruited poorly or lost guys that he shouldn't have, I've been pissed at Nutt. If Brassell went to Alabama or MSU, I'd be pissed at Nutt. I'd feel absolutely stupid claiming it was because MSU or Alabama cheated because the reality of it all is that everyone is cheating. With MSU's loss of impact guys lately, I think you're just feeling the effects of having a young head coach who is playing the game, but just not playing it well enough yet. He's new to it and he's taking some lumps as he gets experience.
But to pretend it's just because everyone else is cheating?? I mean, say what you want, but it doesn't sound very intelligent to anyone who follows college athletics at all.
But to pretend it's just because everyone else is cheating?? I mean, say what you want, but it doesn't sound very intelligent to anyone who follows college athletics at all.
Our being pissed has nothing to do with auburn. It is the way that all of this **** has gone down. 17 it, I don't even know why i am responding to your ***. You probably think you have a top notch program.</p>
no program is squeaky clean.. they all get non working "jobs"... we've all got to know personally football players who've told us about what goes on... we get it idiot...
but there also is protocol.. yall are pulling out desperate tacticts that will end up biting you in the *** if someone has the sense and backbone to put an end to it... if you think the CJ situation is just normal recruiting, then you are as dumb as the bloodied up goon in the pic you display.. another sign that you are probably dumber than your post indicates...
you are trying to legitimize what is not defensible.. ole miss can NOT compete against MSU when we have a good coach... ole miss has been battling it's own image and even it's own NAME since the integration of the black football player.. you have no choice when it comes to a black player who has other options.. you have to go WAY out of bounds to keep up and ole miss's actions speak for themselves
we will weather this stuff in the long run and continue to stomp your asses... and all we need are AD's and coaches that are better than LT and crooms.. which will not be difficult.....
now go find some other board that represents a team that hasn't stomped ole miss's brains in the last 2 years... skip the vandy and JSU boards while your at it..
but there also is protocol.. yall are pulling out desperate tacticts that will end up biting you in the *** if someone has the sense and backbone to put an end to it... if you think the CJ situation is just normal recruiting, then you are as dumb as the bloodied up goon in the pic you display.. another sign that you are probably dumber than your post indicates...
you are trying to legitimize what is not defensible.. ole miss can NOT compete against MSU when we have a good coach... ole miss has been battling it's own image and even it's own NAME since the integration of the black football player.. you have no choice when it comes to a black player who has other options.. you have to go WAY out of bounds to keep up and ole miss's actions speak for themselves
we will weather this stuff in the long run and continue to stomp your asses... and all we need are AD's and coaches that are better than LT and crooms.. which will not be difficult.....
now go find some other board that represents a team that hasn't stomped ole miss's brains in the last 2 years... skip the vandy and JSU boards while your at it..
He's saying that those of you who think everyone is cheating except State are indefensibly (to use your word) naive.
ETA: Until Wednesday this is all academic. Let's wait until the LOI's come in, we may all be saying how much State started paying in the last week and pulled CJ, Brassell, and Whitehead back.
ETA: Until Wednesday this is all academic. Let's wait until the LOI's come in, we may all be saying how much State started paying in the last week and pulled CJ, Brassell, and Whitehead back.
This whole 'State' is cheating like everyone else, but 'you're crazy if you think we paid for Whitehead, Brassel, CJ, et al' is so old. If everyone is cheating that includes Ole Miss right?
Are we overly sensitive to losing big name recruits at the last second, yeah. Does the name Cam Newton ring a bell?
Are we overly sensitive to losing big name recruits at the last second, yeah. Does the name Cam Newton ring a bell?
I hope we're paying the **** out of them. I hope we get them all Mercedes and Range Rovers.
But if any of the big name sign with State are y'all really going to claim that they did because they're all fine upstanding young men and it had nothing to do with backroom recruiting?
But if any of the big name sign with State are y'all really going to claim that they did because they're all fine upstanding young men and it had nothing to do with backroom recruiting?
Not with Whitehead. He's never been solid on us. But other recruits who were solid recruits, including CJ who had been committed since his junior year, talked down about Ole Miss, was our biggest recruiter, and suddenly switched after the dead period to go to the school that he hated with a vengeance?Beatdown said:
Yeah, STFU.
Name the big time recruits were getting again? Now name the one's we've lost who had previously been committed. I think you'll see the discrepancy. Don't get me wrong PJ Jones and Dee Arrington are awesome commits but overall we're getting slaughtered to the point I can't really say we are substantially playing the game on the same level as everyone else including Ole Miss. I really believe it all started with Saban, Auburn has upped the ante, and now it's a damn free for all. Except we're under the microscope of Slive this year so even if the desire is there restraint is being used.
Is that so unbelievable? I don't really think it is. Maybe it's all just rumors and innuendo maybe Cecil Newton was just one rogue parent and nothing really goes on. I'd really love for that to be true but I don't think it is.
Is that so unbelievable? I don't really think it is. Maybe it's all just rumors and innuendo maybe Cecil Newton was just one rogue parent and nothing really goes on. I'd really love for that to be true but I don't think it is.
#1, if memory serves correct, you are one of the NAFOOM douchebags who came over here & made an *** of himself after the 2nd Rebel Cotton Bowl win (I know, it seems like a million years ago, but your assholery lives on in legend).
#2, any school that is 2-4 against Vanderbilt since 2005 has tremendous ground to make up in recruiting.
Put it this way: I don't care if you sign the #1 class in America: At the end of the 2011 season, Ole Miss will be 0-3 vs. MSU since 2009 & 2-5 vs. Vandy since 2005. If you can use above board tactics to sway top recruits to Oxford with that **** stain on your hands, then power to you.
So I really don't give a **** who you are recruiting, or what recruits you are "stealing" from MSU. If a player is dumb enough to sign with a programthat isVanderbit's *****, then Miss. State is not the place for such recruits.
#2, any school that is 2-4 against Vanderbilt since 2005 has tremendous ground to make up in recruiting.
Put it this way: I don't care if you sign the #1 class in America: At the end of the 2011 season, Ole Miss will be 0-3 vs. MSU since 2009 & 2-5 vs. Vandy since 2005. If you can use above board tactics to sway top recruits to Oxford with that **** stain on your hands, then power to you.
So I really don't give a **** who you are recruiting, or what recruits you are "stealing" from MSU. If a player is dumb enough to sign with a programthat isVanderbit's *****, then Miss. State is not the place for such recruits.
You guys have been saying that for a while, but there's no reason he would be looking at State any harder than anyone else. Why would he, out of spite? That seems ridiculous. Besides, as I understand Mullen went through the proper channels when his coaching staff was directly solicited by Newton.
If AU can get away with whatever they gave to Newton without a paper trail, so can we, you, and everyone else. I don't know exactly why those guys decommitted. I'm sure each recruit has their own reason. Did we offer them more money? Very likely possibility. But it usually takes more than just money.
The idea that Slive, the SEC, or the NCAA is "out to get you" because of the Newton thing just comes across as rationalization for not doing better recruiting. State people are blaming everyone but themselves and not taking one bit of responsibility for State's recruiting failures. That's the same thing my 4 year old niece does when she gets in trouble.
So yes, I'm sure we are cheating. But you guys are too, and if you aren't then that is a serious dumbass move on State's part.
If AU can get away with whatever they gave to Newton without a paper trail, so can we, you, and everyone else. I don't know exactly why those guys decommitted. I'm sure each recruit has their own reason. Did we offer them more money? Very likely possibility. But it usually takes more than just money.
The idea that Slive, the SEC, or the NCAA is "out to get you" because of the Newton thing just comes across as rationalization for not doing better recruiting. State people are blaming everyone but themselves and not taking one bit of responsibility for State's recruiting failures. That's the same thing my 4 year old niece does when she gets in trouble.
So yes, I'm sure we are cheating. But you guys are too, and if you aren't then that is a serious dumbass move on State's part.
who want to use the ole "well everybody does including MSU" seem not to be able to understand is that a school that has something (really ANYTHING) to hide does not turn in the solicitation we got on the Cam Newton deal unless that school is suicidal. Even if we didn't want to pay up on that player we would have just kept our mouth shut. We knew when we did what we did, especially if we were the ones that went around the SEC to the NCAA, that a bright light was going to be shown on us. So yes I certainly believe we have bought players in our past but I sincerely do not believe we are doing it in the here and now with Mullen and that IS the most logical explanation on why we are losing multiple high profile players here at the end. Especially given, from the outside looking in, our program SHOULD be more attractive to a recruit than its ever been. Certainly more attractive than when these guys originally committed to us.
If we were cheating we would have gotten Newton. We would also have CJ, Whitehead, Brassell, and maybe Singleton. All these guys are going for the money and if you don't see that you are an idiot.
But you will always be a douche bag.
But you will always be a douche bag.
This whole football thing and who's on top and all of that is cyclical. I'm not going to talk trash during a good year and then have to hear it two years later when we're in a down year or two or three. Plus, I love college football, but I don't feel any sense of accomplishment when my team wins. I'm happy when we win and I enjoy the game, but I personally haven't accomplished anything. So I don't understand the whole boasting about it deal.
I didn't come over here to gloat over recruiting. I follow recruiting, but I've learned from a boatload of top notch recruits that didn't pan out that recruiting is only a small part of the process. They still have to make the grades, stay out of trouble, put forth a great effort every day for 4 years, stay injury-free or close to it, and receive excellent coaching. Quite often, one or two of those steps are missed and the stud recruit tanks. Quite often. The only reason I posted anything is that you guys seem incredibly naive about this whole thing. The cleanest coach in the country (whoever that is) is cheating. You have to cheat to survive our conference. If you think you aren't, you're free to feel that way. Like I said, it's your board and your opinion. Most people that follow college sports are going to think it insanely ridiculous, though - the idea that your coach is a saint and refuses to do what everyone else is doing. Hell, cheating is happening in high schools now as schools recruit these guys to come to their high school. You think an SEC coach isn't with the program? Surely you think him smarter than that.
You stay classy.
I didn't come over here to gloat over recruiting. I follow recruiting, but I've learned from a boatload of top notch recruits that didn't pan out that recruiting is only a small part of the process. They still have to make the grades, stay out of trouble, put forth a great effort every day for 4 years, stay injury-free or close to it, and receive excellent coaching. Quite often, one or two of those steps are missed and the stud recruit tanks. Quite often. The only reason I posted anything is that you guys seem incredibly naive about this whole thing. The cleanest coach in the country (whoever that is) is cheating. You have to cheat to survive our conference. If you think you aren't, you're free to feel that way. Like I said, it's your board and your opinion. Most people that follow college sports are going to think it insanely ridiculous, though - the idea that your coach is a saint and refuses to do what everyone else is doing. Hell, cheating is happening in high schools now as schools recruit these guys to come to their high school. You think an SEC coach isn't with the program? Surely you think him smarter than that.
You stay classy.
Losing Newton isn't proof you didn't cheat. It may just be proof that you didn't cheat enough. Or that his father wanted him at a program who would not only pay, but have a shot at a championship.
Yet more class from you guys. You're seriously some of the angriest people I've ever come across. Not once have I attacked anyone here or been less than cordial.
Yet more class from you guys. You're seriously some of the angriest people I've ever come across. Not once have I attacked anyone here or been less than cordial.
Does that make me "angry"? Nope. Just intolerant of your hypocritical and idiotic posts. Although stupidity does tend to bring out the anger in me.<div>Nothing you've posted is feasible based on the facts that are out there. But don't let facts get in your way. No go back to nafoom to discuss what pair of jeans really accentuate your buttocks the best.</div>
1. Those who really do believe that MSU, Mullen, Stricklin, et al have never, and will never cheat to get a player. That's who you're talking about. It's hard for me to comprehend, but apparently those people do exist.
2. The realists, who know how it works and understand that every team at some point has to add a little lagniappe to get recruits to commit. Some players don't warrant it, obviously, but 99% of the top recruits know they can get something, and they expect it. So, yes, everybody does it. But, you're leaving out a pretty big factor -- this year is different for us. We are being closely watched, whether you believe it or not, because of past dealings with Slive. I could go on a rant about the **** that he has done to us, or let happen to us, but I'll spare you. No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist who thinks he's actively out to get us. But I know that he doesn't give two ***** about MSU. He tolerates us because he has to. Would he hesitate to crush the school who led to the national exposure of the fallacies in his precious "probation-free SEC" policies under his mighty power? Nope, not for an instant. I think he would enjoy it.
So, you put our hesitation to aggressively pursue players together with Ole Miss/Nutt being a little desperate to make a statement, and we are where we are today. It's pretty simple. And I'll add a pre-emptive answer to your next question and say that we are where we are in part because of decisions we (mainly Mullen) have made in the past. So it's hard to complain too much about our situation when we caused it. That's why I don't get too upset about it. We'll move on, be successful on the field again this coming season, then hopefully have an easier time of it next year.
The bottom line answer to your question is, NO, I don't believe anyone is squeaky clean. We're just having to suffer through this year, and that gets people pissed.
2. The realists, who know how it works and understand that every team at some point has to add a little lagniappe to get recruits to commit. Some players don't warrant it, obviously, but 99% of the top recruits know they can get something, and they expect it. So, yes, everybody does it. But, you're leaving out a pretty big factor -- this year is different for us. We are being closely watched, whether you believe it or not, because of past dealings with Slive. I could go on a rant about the **** that he has done to us, or let happen to us, but I'll spare you. No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist who thinks he's actively out to get us. But I know that he doesn't give two ***** about MSU. He tolerates us because he has to. Would he hesitate to crush the school who led to the national exposure of the fallacies in his precious "probation-free SEC" policies under his mighty power? Nope, not for an instant. I think he would enjoy it.
So, you put our hesitation to aggressively pursue players together with Ole Miss/Nutt being a little desperate to make a statement, and we are where we are today. It's pretty simple. And I'll add a pre-emptive answer to your next question and say that we are where we are in part because of decisions we (mainly Mullen) have made in the past. So it's hard to complain too much about our situation when we caused it. That's why I don't get too upset about it. We'll move on, be successful on the field again this coming season, then hopefully have an easier time of it next year.
The bottom line answer to your question is, NO, I don't believe anyone is squeaky clean. We're just having to suffer through this year, and that gets people pissed.
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