I get it. Neck Beard didn’t win anyone in the bowl game. Thank GOD our QB wasn’t hurt. That’s called a MIRACLE. So ……. I get it, where do we go from here???
So who wants to fire who??
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Win the trenches and win the game. Need some big nasties on both sides.
I'm going to be forthright honest. I don't know what the hell to do.
Fire the staff and what do we do? We have to pay all the buyouts and add more money to the Arnett tab before he has even coached a game. And then who at this point in the game? And in the meat of recruiting season. So a change now destroys yet another class. And depth right now is non existent due to two previously destroyed recruiting classes. Fix it in the portal? How? With no fan buy in?
Keep the staff and an apathetic fanbase that has just been beat down into a pulp for the past 3 years is not going to be very supportive. Especially with what counts from now on..... money.
No engagement and money from the fanbase keeps the good coaches away. Keep the staff and there is no money and engagement from the fanbase.
Prospective coaches AND the fans both don't believe we can win. And the fans don't evidently have the pride that some other university fans do to say "I'm not going to let my university be the punching bag of the conference".
So I don't have a friken clue.
Fire the staff and what do we do? We have to pay all the buyouts and add more money to the Arnett tab before he has even coached a game. And then who at this point in the game? And in the meat of recruiting season. So a change now destroys yet another class. And depth right now is non existent due to two previously destroyed recruiting classes. Fix it in the portal? How? With no fan buy in?
Keep the staff and an apathetic fanbase that has just been beat down into a pulp for the past 3 years is not going to be very supportive. Especially with what counts from now on..... money.
No engagement and money from the fanbase keeps the good coaches away. Keep the staff and there is no money and engagement from the fanbase.
Prospective coaches AND the fans both don't believe we can win. And the fans don't evidently have the pride that some other university fans do to say "I'm not going to let my university be the punching bag of the conference".
So I don't have a friken clue.
Bottom line is we endure another bad season in 2026, winning 4 or 5 games is my guess, and we will fire Lebby after another Egg Bowl beat down. Let's hope our clueless leaders get lucky somehow and hire a good coach next time. That's all we have right now....hope.
See me at the end of October 2026. It's the MSU Way.
I'm going to go with we:
- Thank God KT is okay;
- Support our coaches and team the way we each felt led to;
- Suspend all the griping; and
- Let next season play out and go from there.
I don't know if firing is the appropriate approach but Keenum needs to retire or be "asked" to retire.
We're just in a position where there are no immediate fixes. It happens and universities tend to make things worse when they can't accept that. For most of us, there's not really anything to do. If you give small amounts to NIL, keep doing it. Not doing that doesn't do anything but hurt us with the next coaching search. If you give big money, you probably have a decision to make. From what I understand, a significant number of those people have already made a decision, which is that they are going to double down and give Lebby an NIL budget to be competitive and let him sink or swim with no excuses. I like that approach and appreciate them doing it. If it works, great. If it doesn't, at least the next coach will know we will support them and give them a fighting change.
The other two alternatives are to keep the same NIL budget and most likely have a similar year next year (although other schools have functioning offensive lines with our budget, it doesn't appear that we can figure that out), or withdraw funding, make sure this year is disastrous, and then have money stockpiled to offer the next coach.
The first is completely defensible. Can't expect him to win the SEC with our current budget, but plenty of teams have functioning offensive and defensive lines with the same or lower budget. If we look like a reasonably functioning team next year, then that would be a great justification to give more. Really don't like the last approach because it tells a coach that while they may get paid for their entire contract, we may hamstring them and destroy their marketability going forward. But again, appreciate the people that are committing to give him a chance this upcoming year.
He's got something to sell now, going from a disaster season to 5 wins with several last second losses. He should be able to semi-honestly say that a couple of good lineman on each side of the ball would have put 10 wins in reach this year. He has to look better this upcoming year though. Going to really suck if we burn that money just to confirm that ponying up for the buyout is the right decision.
The other two alternatives are to keep the same NIL budget and most likely have a similar year next year (although other schools have functioning offensive lines with our budget, it doesn't appear that we can figure that out), or withdraw funding, make sure this year is disastrous, and then have money stockpiled to offer the next coach.
The first is completely defensible. Can't expect him to win the SEC with our current budget, but plenty of teams have functioning offensive and defensive lines with the same or lower budget. If we look like a reasonably functioning team next year, then that would be a great justification to give more. Really don't like the last approach because it tells a coach that while they may get paid for their entire contract, we may hamstring them and destroy their marketability going forward. But again, appreciate the people that are committing to give him a chance this upcoming year.
He's got something to sell now, going from a disaster season to 5 wins with several last second losses. He should be able to semi-honestly say that a couple of good lineman on each side of the ball would have put 10 wins in reach this year. He has to look better this upcoming year though. Going to really suck if we burn that money just to confirm that ponying up for the buyout is the right decision.
We need SEC quality linemen. It didn't matter what offense Saban ran at Alabama because he got the best offensive linemen in the country (and SEC officials allowed them to hold). He did the same on defense. NIL changed that so it was harder for Alabama to maintain that level of control. Texas Tech bragged about outbidding Alabama for key players the past 2 years. Against UGA Alabama had negative rushing yards because the quality of linemen dropped. The importance of good Linemen cannot be over emphasized. The obvious problem is the high demand for these players has driven the cost up.
This is all we can do now. See how Lebby does in 2026. So far, he’s shown that he’s not very good at recruiting, evaluating the portal, allocating our funds to the right position group, hiring assistants, or making good in-game decisions. I’d be surprised if 2026 isn’t more of the same and he's been fired by November 1st. But he’ll get the chance to prove otherwise for at least half a season.
Iowa won the Joe Moore award as the best O line in college football. They don’t have high priced five stars. O line is about coaching and development.
This is the real answer. But assuming that's not going to happen, at this point we really have no choice but to go with who we've got for next season and then clean house when it fails. I'd love to fire Selmon today and have a new AD in place to hire the new football coach in December, but that's not going to happen either.
The same can be said for every position in football. But you can't coach speed, height, reaction time and size. Iowa has some veteran 4 star linemen so they do have some high priced linemen. How many 4 star linemen do we have?
offensive lineman is more about player development than any other position group. By far
I think you start over at the Offensive Line coaching position. At this point with the portal already open and without a second portal window it looks like we are stuck with Loadholt for this season. Lebby should've went with someone with more experience instead of a friend at that position.
With that being said...WTF is Sam Pittman doing? Sunglasses Phil has what two years as an O line coach which, like Lebbro, learning on the job at that coaching position is unacceptable just like HC
Hope we have a massive haul in the portal heavy on OL and DL. That might change the W/L trajectory and make us a solid team if we pulled that off.
WHEN that doesn't happen, get comfy with the fact we will win 2-4 games in 26 and be coach shopping next year with the same people heading up the search that headed it up last time.
I just "FIRED" that willrogers troll that has been giving Lefty a free blow job for the last few days. Clicked on his name, blocked him, and both of the threads he started totally disappeared. I normally enjoy sparring w/ trolls , that's part of having a freedom of speech board but his were too radical for me. The only other clown so far I've done it to is golfer. I highly recommend the process for both of them..............
I did it a couple of days ago. Only blocked one or two other posters over the years. If people would quit feeding the troll he'd disappear completely, but I can still see the responses to his posts.
We got demolished on the offensive line.
D line wasn’t much better.
We don’t need 4 stars to improve on what we have today!
We need decent linemen on both sides of the ball. Until we get them it won't matter who is at QB or who the coach is.
I was surprised by that but I don't see either of those posts he started anywhere, bonus!
BS, Defensive Linemen, QB, CB, RB all have in depth study and work to be good at their position. I would argue that DL requires more development. Anyone can be thought to pull and get in someone's way but a quicker DL player will blow past them. But for arguments sake let's say you are right. How long will we have to develop a 4 star in the SEC before the portal comes calling? We need to find some G5 studs that graded out against SEC teams.
This! And we know Lebby understands this as well. Arnett knows what he is dealing with on defense now. You can bet he's mining for gold on that defensive line. Loadholt with only 1 year experience is anybody's guess.
And they don’t have to be NFL lineman.
just above average SEC lineman.
ranked somewhere between 50 and 120 in the sec as far as linemen rankings.
Back to the task at hand, we all agree we need loads of quality o lineman and d lineman. The portal is already open and closes on January 16. If we don't have a good haul by the 16th, we know for sure Lebby is a dead man walking. Good luck selling those tickets.
Unfortunately I think you’re right but I don’t see 4-5 wins next year.
3 possibly?
If we go on the road and beat Minnesota then 5 again may be the ceiling.
Yes we could always use better linemen. But the OL we have could play a lot better if they were coached better. We need a better OL coach to begin with. I remember what Emory Bellard said when he first got here - "these players don't know how to block". With better coaching, our players can also learn how to block better.
go Talk to a football coach, not worth debating.
O line development is not the same as rb, receiver or corner. It’s very dependent on coaching. state hasn’t had a competent one since Arnett and his booster buddies fired Mason Miller
Oh sure. We just had a 4 star go in the portal that wasnt good enough. We can just sign some 3 stars and improve. Better get some awesome coaching in that case. Who is gonna coach them up ??