Some common sense to the lib snowflakes around this country

[WVPATX]

Teachers do NOT teach morality. Abortion is a perfect example. To you it's immoral today, so as it pertains to abortion, did the morality change? Not for you. It's not my place to teach that slavery is immoral to my students, but I must teach the conditions of slavery without overlooking them. Even as I teach about the greatness of Washington, I must also teach about the conditions of his slaves. Just because the majority of people at the time believed that treating Africans as animals, doesn't mean they were animals now does it? I mean what are you seeking here paxxx? You want me to acknowledge in class that "slavery was widely accepted at the time"? Of course I do, it's impossible not to.

The majority of the German army thought it was acceptable to gas millions of Jewish men, women and children.....does that mean it was morally acceptable at the time?

Slavery during the 1700's was already addressed as morally wrong by many, the Constitution of Vermont addressed it, Pennsylvania as well. England had already addressed the immorality of the practice, Russia, and Portugal as well.

As long as you provide the context of the times. It is impossible to judge figures from 250 years ago based on today's values. As we stated previously, morality changes over time.

To state that slavery is immoral is true today. It was not true for most of society in the 1700's. There were efforts underway to change the minds of Americans about slavery during that time and during the 1800's. It finally succeeded. And we lost hundreds of thousands of lives abolishing it.

But as my original post pointed out, snowflakes want to rid America of many Founding Fathers because they were slaveholders. I hope they keep it up.

 

[Boomboom521]

As long as you provide the context of the times. It is impossible to judge figures from 250 years ago based on today's values. As we stated previously, morality changes over time.

To state that slavery is immoral is true today. It was not true for most of society in the 1700's. There were efforts underway to change the minds of Americans about slavery during that time and during the 1800's. It finally succeeded. And we lost hundreds of thousands of lives abolishing it.

But as my original post pointed out, snowflakes want to rid America of many Founding Fathers because they were slaveholders. I hope they keep it up.

Here's the thing Paxxx, I think it was always immoral for the slaves now wasn't it?

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/08/condoleezza-rice-i-dont-want-to-rename-statues-video/

This very short interview deals with our Presidents that were slave owners, the Constitution that initially recognized blacks as 3/5 Americans and the difficulty for blacks registering to vote in the early 50's.

This makes far too much sense for the snowflakes that want to judge late 1700's and early 1800's America by today's standards.

"common sense" and" liberals" cannot be used in the same sentence, paragraph,essay or short novel.....those terms are polar opposites

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

I do not understand the appeal of the Confederacy to some people. It is the single most traitorous, unpatriotic thing in our country's history. You can't get more unpatriotic than deciding to make your own country out of the one you're already in. Why some glamorize it is beyond me.

folks in charlottes ville want to take down a statue of Robert E Lee but they still worship Jefferson who had a black slave mistress.........Sally Hemmings...but that's ok because it's "Mr Jefferson's university"........hogwash

 

[WVPATX]

Here's the thing Paxxx, I think it was always immoral for the slaves now wasn't it?

You didn't live in that time Boom. You weren't raised by parents in that time. You didn't exist in society at that time. You didn't have friends in that time. You weren't educated in that time. It's impossible to know how you would feel about it. All you have is how you feel today.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Here's the thing Paxxx, I think it was always immoral for the slaves now wasn't it?

I agree.....it was never appropriate to view another human being as property...not even in Biblical times.

 

[Boomboom521]

You didn't live in that time Boom. You weren't raised by parents in that time. You didn't exist in society at that time. You didn't have friends in that time. You weren't educated in that time. It's impossible to know how you would feel about it. All you have is how you feel today.

Do you think some slaves were grateful of their slave condition?

 

[WVPATX]

Do you think some slaves were grateful of their slave condition?

My God, do you not read my posts? I said you can't possibly know how you would feel if you were born in the 1700's. You can't because it is unknowable. Yet, you pretend that you somehow, magically can and you judge them based on your morality today. That is not teaching history. That is imposing your beliefs on your students.

I said ZERO about slavery being anything but immoral, but I recognize that I did not live during those times and will not judge them based on modern morality. You even admitted yourself that morality changes over time.

 

[Boomboom521]

My God, do you not read my posts? I said you can't possibly know how you would feel if you were born in the 1700's. You can't because it is unknowable. Yet, you pretend that you somehow, magically can and you judge them based on your morality today. That is not teaching history. That is imposing your beliefs on your students.

I said ZERO about slavery being anything but immoral, but I recognize that I did not live during those times and will not judge them based on modern morality. You even admitted yourself that morality changes over time.

My God! There really isn't any moral ambiguity in regards to slavery Paxxx, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE FOUNDERS OF THIS NATION THAT WAS SPAWNED FROM AN UNRELENTING PASSION FOR INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY!

I don't teach morality to students. That is an aspect of individuality derived from ones spirituality and family upbringing. I teach how slaves were treated, what slaves thought and felt about their treatment, the attitudes and norms that contributed to the industry, and the moral questions and debates of the time.

 

[Boomboom521]

My God, do you not read my posts? I said you can't possibly know how you would feel if you were born in the 1700's. You can't because it is unknowable. Yet, you pretend that you somehow, magically can and you judge them based on your morality today. That is not teaching history. That is imposing your beliefs on your students.

I said ZERO about slavery being anything but immoral, but I recognize that I did not live during those times and will not judge them based on modern morality. You even admitted yourself that morality changes over time.

And you didn't answer my question: do you think some slaves were grateful or satisfied with their condition?

 

[WVPATX]

And you didn't answer my question: do you think some slaves were grateful or satisfied with their condition?

I can't imagine any were grateful or satisfied. But that has zero to do with my point.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[atlkvb]

I simply posted what a former Secretary of State, an absolute genius, said who is also an African-American. Rather than comment on her argument, you disrespect me. Shows me what kind of human being you really are. You Say you are ultra liberal, but I think you're full of hate for those who disagree with you.

That poster exemplifies a very tolerant, open minded, non judgemental type of character who is always willing to at least listen to the other side and respect opposing views don't you know?

 

[TarHeelEer]

And you didn't answer my question: do you think some slaves were grateful or satisfied with their condition?

I do.

 

[Boomboom521]

My God, do you not read my posts? I said you can't possibly know how you would feel if you were born in the 1700's. You can't because it is unknowable. Yet, you pretend that you somehow, magically can and you judge them based on your morality today. That is not teaching history. That is imposing your beliefs on your students.

I said ZERO about slavery being anything but immoral, but I recognize that I did not live during those times and will not judge them based on modern morality. You even admitted yourself that morality changes over time.

Another thing Paxxx, if you think the things I say on a db are the same things I say in the classroom, you are seriously delusional.

 

[Boomboom521]

I do.

Than you have a legitimate argument about morality being much different at the time.

 

[atlkvb]

That is an aspect of individuality derived from ones spirituality and family upbringing.

I wonder if this definition of "morality" lines up with Websters?

Let's see....
Apr 17, 2002 - Indeed, when the concept of morality is completely distinguished from religion, moral rules do seem to limit their content to behavior that directly or indirectly causes or risks harm to others.

or how about this?
Morality definition, conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct

not good enough?
try this:
Morality. Morality Defined Morality speaks of a system of behavior in regards to standards of right or wrong behavior. The word carries the concepts of: (1) moral with regard to behavior; (2) moral responsibility, referring to our conscience; and (3) a moral identity, or one who is capable of right or wrong action. Common synonyms include ethics, principles, virtue, and goodness.

Morality describes the principles that govern our behavior.

Without these principles in place, societies cannot survive for long. In today's world, morality is frequently thought of as belonging to a particular religious point of view, but by definition, we see that this is not always the case.


Seems we have quite a difference in definitions here wouldn't you say?

 

[WVPATX]

Another thing Paxxx, if you think the things I say on a db are the same things I say in the classroom, you are seriously delusional.

How could I conclude anything else. It is very hard for anyone to separate their views from what they teach. If you tell me you do, that's terrific.

 

[atlkvb]

Another thing Paxxx, if you think the things I say on a db are the same things I say in the classroom, you are seriously delusional.

Maybe the students are too listening to those lectures?

 

[atlkvb]

How could I conclude anything else. It is very hard for anyone to separate their views from what they teach. If you tell me you do, that's terrific.

He doesn't.

 

[atlkvb]

"common sense" and" liberals" cannot be used in the same sentence, paragraph,essay or short novel.....those terms are polar opposites

If the Left today that excoriates our Founding Fathers for owning Slaves were consistent in their outrage over 'slavery' Snow Sled Baby, wouldn't they be leading the charge of Black folks off the Liberal "plantation" of the modern Welfare State?

Yet they strenuously oppose school choice vouchers, tax free enterprise zones, Welfare-to-work requirements, and merit based hiring without affirmative action set asides.

Oh, but they claim to be champions of people of color unless they are colored politically "red"...like Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, or Condoleeza Rice.

Bunch of $3 dollar bill phonies.

 

[Boomboom521]

How could I conclude anything else. It is very hard for anyone to separate their views from what they teach. If you tell me you do, that's terrific.

I take education very seriously

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Here's the thing Paxxx, I think it was always immoral for the slaves now wasn't it?

Says who?

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

This thread is awesome. Liberals and centrists pointing out how horrible slavery was, right wingers defending it but right wingers are the ones that are not racists and stand up for the rights of African Americans.

[roll]

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

This thread is awesome. Liberals and centrists pointing out how horrible slavery was, right wingers defending it but right wingers are the ones that are not racists and stand up for the rights of African Americans.

[roll]

I don't see anyone defending slavery.

 

[atlkvb]

I don't see anyone defending slavery.

Except for these folks: the "Poverty Pimps" of Slavery:

Maxine Waters

John Lewis

John Conyers

Shelia Jackson Lee

 

[WVPATX]

This thread is awesome. Liberals and centrists pointing out how horrible slavery was, right wingers defending it but right wingers are the ones that are not racists and stand up for the rights of African Americans.

[roll]

This post shows exactly how stupid you really are. Not one person on this thread was supportive of slavery.

 

[atlkvb]

This post shows exactly how stupid you really are. Not one person on this thread was supportive of slavery.

I thought it was the Left casting their aspersions on the Founding Fathers for being Slave owners?

Isn't that America's "original Sin" to the Left?

 

[WVPATX]

I thought it was the Left casting their aspersions on the Founding Fathers for being Slave owners?

Isn't that America's "original Sin" to the Left?

I know many on the left hate this country and hate what it stands for and perhaps slavery is the genesis. But I think there are many other factors as well. I think many Dems want the government to control most aspects of our lives through a huge federal set of programs. They cannot achieve their goals of massive redistribution unless the government is completely in charge.

 

[atlkvb]

They cannot achieve their goals of massive redistribution unless the government is completely in charge.

Or the Constitution which names a "Creator" as our ultimate authority is eviscerated.

They're working on it.

 

[Boomboom521]

I know many on the left hate this country and hate what it stands for and perhaps slavery is the genesis. But I think there are many other factors as well. I think many Dems want the government to control most aspects of our lives through a huge federal set of programs. They cannot achieve their goals of massive redistribution unless the government is completely in charge.

Many on the right hate this country and what it stands for and perhaps individual liberty is the genesis. I think many Republicans want the government to control most of our lives through a Christian based moral code enforced through federal policies. They cannot achieve their desire for a uniform American culture, unless those that are in contrast to that acceptable culture are without representation.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I don't see anyone defending slavery.

Really?

Some in this thread said that some slaves "were grateful or satisfied with their condition."

Some are justifying it because we "now have a different morality."

 

[atlkvb]

I think many Republicans want the government to control most of our lives through a Christian based moral code enforced through federal policies.

Actually we prefer the Mormons. But who cares which Religion it's still one nation under "God" right?


So let's just make sure there isn't one... so says the Left.

 

[atlkvb]

Many on the right hate this country and what it stands for and perhaps individual liberty is the genesis.

So is this why folks on the Right are doing this over folks they disagree with?

 

[TarHeelEer]

Many on the right hate this country and what it stands for and perhaps individual liberty is the genesis. I think many Republicans want the government to control most of our lives through a Christian based moral code enforced through federal policies. They cannot achieve their desire for a uniform American culture, unless those that are in contrast to that acceptable culture are without representation.

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Really?

Some in this thread said that some slaves "were grateful or satisfied with their condition."

Some are justifying it because we "now have a different morality."

Neither of those statements supports slavery.

 

[dave]

This thread is awesome. Liberals and centrists pointing out how horrible slavery was, right wingers defending it but right wingers are the ones that are not racists and stand up for the rights of African Americans.

[roll]

And only a few posts after calling someone else a liar. How appropriate.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[atlkvb]

bigots

I think that phenomenon actually works in favor of the Right. Removing statues or renaming buildings doesn't have any actual effect on the world. It's just symbolic. But it does make the Left look a bit nutty with regards to it which just drives voters in the middle away from them.

Being Black myself, I know there are no Blacks currently alive today who personally knew any slaves. The Left uses this part of our history to justify their revisionist history that America was founded on a lie...that all were NOT created equal.

To them, destroying that part of our heritage opens up the rest of their hateful diatribe of charges that this is and always has been a racist nation. That means you cannot criticize anything that they (Leftists) consider to be a remedy to address the systemic racism they believe the country was founded on and in fact still operates on. It's a disgusting lie and they know it.

It's sickening, and too many Black people have bought into that lie blaming 'racism' or racist attitudes for their inability to advance in our economy or for any thing that comes short of their definition for achievement. The dirty little secret is, there are just as many Black racists in America today as there are surely White ones, but to the Left they (Black racists) do not exist.

Unless you're Christian or Conservative like me. Then you are the worst kind of Uncle Tom, boot licking, shufflin' step 'n fetch it, stupid, ignorant, Oreo cookie kind of Racist. (all names I've been called by both White & Black racist bigots on the Left)

They have zero credibility with me.

 

[Boomboom521]

Or the Constitution which names a "Creator" as our ultimate authority is eviscerated.

They're working on it.

The word Creator never appears in the Constitution....not once