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You are making this way too complicated. I agree that money is still going to flow to the athletes, but I think it will trend toward under the table payments rather than convoluted faux NIL deals.
I think the point you’re missing is that the deals don’t have to be that convoluted. The social media example is the prime case. Someone with 1M followers is worth well into the upper 6 figures for social media advertising just from a few ad retweets. The secondary case is the stacking up of many smaller deals that add up to a lot of money. There are so many very easy ways to skin this cat. Just an example….if 10 different local small businesses each offer an athlete $20k per year just to appear in one billboard ad and do some retweets / social media posts, that’s $200k right there. They can make the same offer to other athletes on the same team, thus establishing the FMV. $20k per year is nothing in the grand scheme of things, it’s going to be very difficult for Deloitte to show that’s not above board. That’s not even taking into consideration the most tedious, but also most foolproof solution - multiple $599 contracts that don’t even have to go through the clearinghouse. This whole thing was set up to fail. The only question is how many different ways will it fail?

No matter how many shell games boosters try to play with various entities, the bottom line will still be whether the NIL deal passes the FMV test. If it doesn't, then there will be some 'splainin' to do, and if the player chooses arbitration the new College Sports Commission will have subpoena power.

What if it doesn’t pass the smell test? They are ineligible forever? Who gets punished? Is the offering entity going to jail? Does the program get banned from the CFP or NCAA Tournament? If the NCAA isn’t ultimately making the call, who in the hell can even enforce the eligibility? The SEC is going to tell some dude for Alabama he can’t play? What if he does play? The league stops the game immediately and rules it a forfeit….and everyone changes the channel? Way more questions than answers…..but when you get down to it, the players still have all the power. I don’t see the B1G / SEC not getting heavily involved in the arbitration on behalf of any high profile cases where someone ends up in another league if their deal doesn’t get done.

I'm sorry you misunderstood my house buying analogy. I was just trying to tack on to your house buying statement regarding FMV I wasn't saying that the athletes would be swinging any business deals, just pointing out that what looks like FMV isn't always FMV.

Depends on what your definition of FMV is. If you are basing it on the traditional definition of “was this advertising exposure worth what I paid for it”, then there are a littany of ways to argue for and against. If its “I have to pay this much because another school that was putting forth an equally questionable deal that was offering almost this much”, then yes….its absolutely FMV. So if an athlete testifies in court or arbitration that they had another NIL offer from another company but it was prohibitive to where they couldn’t do both, then there you have the FMV case to be proven, because you have 2 offers on the table. The validity or underlying metrics of the 2nd deal never even get questioned because it wasn’t accepted. It just has to exist.

The NCAA is trying to remove itself from enforcement and liability in all of this. It will be a named defendant, no doubt, but the College Sports Commission will be the entity accepting/denying the contracts...and the Commission is set up by the conferences.
So everyone will get sued. I guess I agree?

Deloitte may or may not be a defendant, but it's opinion will pretty much be the focus of the suit, along with the arbitration panel if there was one prior to the suit.
It all depends. Deloitte can say they think a deal is worth $150k when its actually a $175k offer. What happens? Deal gets rejected? Who knows. Commission decides, and I bet they don’t decide the same way every time. If it’s rejected, can they still do the deal for $150k, and no need for a 2nd hearing? If so, that’s going to be a game where the limit is continually being pushed up into the max of what is accepted….every deal is going to be “high-balled” to let Deloitte just set the rate, and then Deloitte essentially become the kingmakers and price fixers for all the players. This creates anti-trust issues left and right.

I think everyone envisions this world where some elite prospect is getting an offer of $5 million for something like $300,000 worth of endorsement value, and now there’s this agency that can snuff that out. But reality isn’t that simple. The eventual legal precedent will be set by what happens on the margins, like in the case above.

As for the revenue share payments, the players do no opt in/out for that, the schools do. But I'm pretty sure all of them will. Even if an athlete opts out of the settlement, they can still receive revenue sharing, and I doubt you're going to see many turn it down and refuse to grant the school any NIL rights....but I haven't seen anything on that in writing yet.
Perhaps “opt-in” is the incorrect phrasing, but what I’m referring to is the process by which the players defer their right to litigation and instead pursue arbitration if they have what they feel is a legit NIL deal that gets rejected. As you said, the players will be signing these NIL deals before they enroll and join the team. They will expect their deals to get rubber stamped prior to enrollment and starting practice. So in reality, they will be able to pursue legal action on a rejected deal if they have not yet enrolled, participated, and received any revenue sharing payments. They will be able to bypass the arbitration in these instances. It’s more of a gray area if they are already enrolled and have already received revenue share payments between Year 1 and Year 2, may depend on if they enter the portal, transfer down or up a division, etc.

But essentially, new incoming athletes from HS and JUCO ranks will have a path to go straight to the courts if they get an unfavorable ruling, because they aren’t granting any rights for the schools to use their NIL until they actually show up on campus and start team activities.

The NIL deals are being approved/denied before they even go into effect. So, the player is not responsible for determining his own FMV, but if he accepts money after being told his deal has been rejected, then he can absolutely be punished for that.
This is another path that’s going to get tested. Why should anyone ever be in a position where they cannot enter a business arrangement that would be beneficial to them, and simply accept something that is offered to them in exchange for doing something that isn’t illegal?

What’s actually going to happen is this. There are going to be around 7,000 athletes just in P4 football and MBB alone that are eligible for private NIL deals every year. A large number are going to sign them, and many are going to sign multiple deals.

There will be tens of thousands of deals that have to get processed a few times per year that align with the portal windows, and every player (and their school) are going to want approvals to happen post-haste so the player can start getting paid, and the school can be confident in their roster. They’ll also want them to be cleared prior to enrollment at new school, if they are in the portal. These deals are also going to be lengthy and complex in nature and filled with all sorts of legal jargon that has to be parsed through by these analysts at Deloitte.

Long story short, Deloitte’s going to run into a bandwidth issue very quickly where they cannot keep up with doing legit contract reviews in a timely manner. Players who get stuck in limbo will sit and refuse to practice / play until their case is resolved (including arbitration). There will be public scrutiny on Deloitte holding the players hostage unless one of two things happens…..they have a wide tolerance window where only especially egregious deals are getting rejected, or, they have a very severe threshold where deals are almost automatically rejected unless very specific criteria are met. Scenario 1 will render their very existence to be practically meaningless, and Scenario 2 will lead to class action litigation very quickly. Neither is a desirable outcome for this new model.

And, if he accepts money before a decision has been reached, that's on him, too.
Well that’s going to turn up the heat on the decision timing. See above. Surely there is an option to simply return the money if a deal is rejected?
 

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I think the point you’re missing is that the deals don’t have to be that convoluted. The social media example is the prime case. Someone with 1M followers is worth well into the upper 6 figures for social media advertising just from a few ad retweets. The secondary case is the stacking up of many smaller deals that add up to a lot of money. There are so many very easy ways to skin this cat. Just an example….if 10 different local small businesses each offer an athlete $20k per year just to appear in one billboard ad and do some retweets / social media posts, that’s $200k right there. They can make the same offer to other athletes on the same team, thus establishing the FMV. $20k per year is nothing in the grand scheme of things, it’s going to be very difficult for Deloitte to show that’s not above board. That’s not even taking into consideration the most tedious, but also most foolproof solution - multiple $599 contracts that don’t even have to go through the clearinghouse. This whole thing was set up to fail. The only question is how many different ways will it fail?



What if it doesn’t pass the smell test? They are ineligible forever? Who gets punished? Is the offering entity going to jail? Does the program get banned from the CFP or NCAA Tournament? If the NCAA isn’t ultimately making the call, who in the hell can even enforce the eligibility? The SEC is going to tell some dude for Alabama he can’t play? What if he does play? The league stops the game immediately and rules it a forfeit….and everyone changes the channel? Way more questions than answers…..but when you get down to it, the players still have all the power. I don’t see the B1G / SEC not getting heavily involved in the arbitration on behalf of any high profile cases where someone ends up in another league if their deal doesn’t get done.



Depends on what your definition of FMV is. If you are basing it on the traditional definition of “was this advertising exposure worth what I paid for it”, then there are a littany of ways to argue for and against. If its “I have to pay this much because another school that was putting forth an equally questionable deal that was offering almost this much”, then yes….its absolutely FMV. So if an athlete testifies in court or arbitration that they had another NIL offer from another company but it was prohibitive to where they couldn’t do both, then there you have the FMV case to be proven, because you have 2 offers on the table. The validity or underlying metrics of the 2nd deal never even get questioned because it wasn’t accepted. It just has to exist.


So everyone will get sued. I guess I agree?


It all depends. Deloitte can say they think a deal is worth $150k when its actually a $175k offer. What happens? Deal gets rejected? Who knows. Commission decides, and I bet they don’t decide the same way every time. If it’s rejected, can they still do the deal for $150k, and no need for a 2nd hearing? If so, that’s going to be a game where the limit is continually being pushed up into the max of what is accepted….every deal is going to be “high-balled” to let Deloitte just set the rate, and then Deloitte essentially become the kingmakers and price fixers for all the players. This creates anti-trust issues left and right.

I think everyone envisions this world where some elite prospect is getting an offer of $5 million for something like $300,000 worth of endorsement value, and now there’s this agency that can snuff that out. But reality isn’t that simple. The eventual legal precedent will be set by what happens on the margins, like in the case above.


Perhaps “opt-in” is the incorrect phrasing, but what I’m referring to is the process by which the players defer their right to litigation and instead pursue arbitration if they have what they feel is a legit NIL deal that gets rejected. As you said, the players will be signing these NIL deals before they enroll and join the team. They will expect their deals to get rubber stamped prior to enrollment and starting practice. So in reality, they will be able to pursue legal action on a rejected deal if they have not yet enrolled, participated, and received any revenue sharing payments. They will be able to bypass the arbitration in these instances. It’s more of a gray area if they are already enrolled and have already received revenue share payments between Year 1 and Year 2, may depend on if they enter the portal, transfer down or up a division, etc.

But essentially, new incoming athletes from HS and JUCO ranks will have a path to go straight to the courts if they get an unfavorable ruling, because they aren’t granting any rights for the schools to use their NIL until they actually show up on campus and start team activities.


This is another path that’s going to get tested. Why should anyone ever be in a position where they cannot enter a business arrangement that would be beneficial to them, and simply accept something that is offered to them in exchange for doing something that isn’t illegal?

What’s actually going to happen is this. There are going to be around 7,000 athletes just in P4 football and MBB alone that are eligible for private NIL deals every year. A large number are going to sign them, and many are going to sign multiple deals.

There will be tens of thousands of deals that have to get processed a few times per year that align with the portal windows, and every player (and their school) are going to want approvals to happen post-haste so the player can start getting paid, and the school can be confident in their roster. They’ll also want them to be cleared prior to enrollment at new school, if they are in the portal. These deals are also going to be lengthy and complex in nature and filled with all sorts of legal jargon that has to be parsed through by these analysts at Deloitte.

Long story short, Deloitte’s going to run into a bandwidth issue very quickly where they cannot keep up with doing legit contract reviews in a timely manner. Players who get stuck in limbo will sit and refuse to practice / play until their case is resolved (including arbitration). There will be public scrutiny on Deloitte holding the players hostage unless one of two things happens…..they have a wide tolerance window where only especially egregious deals are getting rejected, or, they have a very severe threshold where deals are almost automatically rejected unless very specific criteria are met. Scenario 1 will render their very existence to be practically meaningless, and Scenario 2 will lead to class action litigation very quickly. Neither is a desirable outcome for this new model.


Well that’s going to turn up the heat on the decision timing. See above. Surely there is an option to simply return the money if a deal is rejected?
We're getting into all sorts of hypotheticals which will surely get tested over time. I really just want to know one thing: what's the going rate to get a depth player in the sec? If we're talking six figures in churched up collective NIL deals above and beyond scholarships and whatever the rev share number ends up, I'm calling ******** on damn near every "NIL" deal out there. Does the average Bama fan know who the backup RG is and would be persuaded by him to go buy [whatever] from [whomever]. Hell, does the RG have to do anything advertising related at all in these deals aside from sitting at an autograph table at halftime of a basketball game?

Solo deals direct with businesses could be abused but far more likely for me to grasp as legit.
 
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We're getting into all sorts of hypotheticals which will surely get tested over time. I really just want to know one thing: what's the going rate to get a depth player in the sec? If we're talking six figures in churched up collective NIL deals above and beyond scholarships and whatever the rev share number ends up, I'm calling ******** on damn near every "NIL" deal out there. Does the average Bama fan know who the backup RG is and would be persuaded by him to go buy [whatever] from [whomever]. Hell, does the RG have to do anything advertising related at all in these deals aside from sitting at an autograph table at halftime of a basketball game?

Solo deals direct with businesses could be abused but far more likely for me to grasp as legit.
It’s all so arbitrary though.

I saw a cologne commercial a few weeks ago with Johnny Depp in it. You know what commercial it was because of-17-ing course you do….it’s the same damn cologne commercial that has been on the air for 40 something years. They all look like an excerpt from the Chris Issak “Wicked Game” video, with the black and white noir footage and a beach and some cryptic, pretentious narration by whichever interchangeable celebrity is in there half-naked. They’re all the same.

So anyway, I’m watching this crap and thinking, “Oh hey, it’s Johhny Depp”. Then I started thinking about the Lonely Island “Jack Sparrow” song. Was Michael Bolton ever in a cologne commercial? Probably. Then I thought, “wonder what ever happened to that Amber chick who was suing him?” Then I started thinking, “Jesus, is this really a cologne TV commercial? Is this 1995?” 1995….yep….Michael Bolton was 💯in a cologne commercial. Then I went to “who in the hell even thinks about buying a product that provides only a smell….from a damn TV commercial?”

So then the commercial ends. Could I tell you what cologne brand it even was? Absolutely not. Do I even care enough to google it? Nope. How much did Johnny Depp get paid to do the ad? Probably well over a million dollars. Is there any way I can imagine they sold 25,000 - 30,000 more bottles of cologne than they otherwise would have if they had Carrot Top in there? Nope.

But, sure as hell, that’s been the formula, for God knows how long. The Big Fragrance Lobby has thus set a high FMV for something that I personally find totally worthless. And I may be right. But they’ll be able to back up their decision with something. And so will all these other NIL pumping businesses.
 
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Willie Fritz was the first that came to mind.
Wow. Did you really type this. A niche coach doesn’t go out and hire a fired OC named Kevin Barbay…. Oh and Houston went 4-8 last year. Same record they had in 2023 with another niche coach in Dana Holgerson…from AR tree. Did you also know Fritz went 2-10 in 21 at Tulane? He’s also 65….
 

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Did you also know Fritz went 2-10 in 21 at Tulane? He’s also 65….
Did you know Fritz went 12-2 in 22 at Tulane?
Did you know Fritz went 11-2 in 23 at Tulane?
Did you know he was 212-124 in his career?
Do you understand trends in college sports? Do you know that you have to build programs and have ups and downs?
Did you know he would have been 62 when we should have hired him, and that he's in great health? Roughly the same age as Leach, who could have coached for another 7-8 years himself.

But most importantly......

Do you have brain damage?
 

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We were discussing NIL. It is very much related.
The discussion was all about the NIL process and sources of funds.
Nobody was discussing what sport to spend NIL on. So, like I said - remotely related.
 

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Did you know Fritz went 12-2 in 22 at Tulane?
Did you know Fritz went 11-2 in 23 at Tulane?
Did you know he was 212-124 in his career?
Do you understand trends in college sports? Do you know that you have to build programs and have ups and downs?
Did you know he would have been 62 when we should have hired him, and that he's in great health? Roughly the same age as Leach, who could have coached for another 7-8 years himself.

But most importantly......

Do you have brain damage?
You wanted to hire a guy who hired Kevin Barbay as his OC and who is 65 years old and you are the one asking me if I have Brain damage.
You litteraly say in your post programs have ups and downs when building programs, yet won’t give Lebby time … and I’m the one who has brain damage…
Leach was 59… not 62… Leach was retiring at the end of 23…he wasn’t coaching anymore definitely not 7-8 more years…
You might be the most uninformed poster on any board. Stick to the Shell station on 80 for your information
 

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The discussion was all about the NIL process and sources of funds.
Nobody was discussing what sport to spend NIL on. So, like I said - remotely related.
Oh, so spending it has no bearing then? Come on mane. Raising money to spend on non-rev sports is wasteful.
 

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I think the point you’re missing is that the deals don’t have to be that convoluted. The social media example is the prime case. Someone with 1M followers is worth well into the upper 6 figures for social media advertising just from a few ad retweets. The secondary case is the stacking up of many smaller deals that add up to a lot of money. There are so many very easy ways to skin this cat. Just an example….if 10 different local small businesses each offer an athlete $20k per year just to appear in one billboard ad and do some retweets / social media posts, that’s $200k right there. They can make the same offer to other athletes on the same team, thus establishing the FMV. $20k per year is nothing in the grand scheme of things, it’s going to be very difficult for Deloitte to show that’s not above board. That’s not even taking into consideration the most tedious, but also most foolproof solution - multiple $599 contracts that don’t even have to go through the clearinghouse. This whole thing was set up to fail. The only question is how many different ways will it fail?



What if it doesn’t pass the smell test? They are ineligible forever? Who gets punished? Is the offering entity going to jail? Does the program get banned from the CFP or NCAA Tournament? If the NCAA isn’t ultimately making the call, who in the hell can even enforce the eligibility? The SEC is going to tell some dude for Alabama he can’t play? What if he does play? The league stops the game immediately and rules it a forfeit….and everyone changes the channel? Way more questions than answers…..but when you get down to it, the players still have all the power. I don’t see the B1G / SEC not getting heavily involved in the arbitration on behalf of any high profile cases where someone ends up in another league if their deal doesn’t get done.



Depends on what your definition of FMV is. If you are basing it on the traditional definition of “was this advertising exposure worth what I paid for it”, then there are a littany of ways to argue for and against. If its “I have to pay this much because another school that was putting forth an equally questionable deal that was offering almost this much”, then yes….its absolutely FMV. So if an athlete testifies in court or arbitration that they had another NIL offer from another company but it was prohibitive to where they couldn’t do both, then there you have the FMV case to be proven, because you have 2 offers on the table. The validity or underlying metrics of the 2nd deal never even get questioned because it wasn’t accepted. It just has to exist.


So everyone will get sued. I guess I agree?


It all depends. Deloitte can say they think a deal is worth $150k when its actually a $175k offer. What happens? Deal gets rejected? Who knows. Commission decides, and I bet they don’t decide the same way every time. If it’s rejected, can they still do the deal for $150k, and no need for a 2nd hearing? If so, that’s going to be a game where the limit is continually being pushed up into the max of what is accepted….every deal is going to be “high-balled” to let Deloitte just set the rate, and then Deloitte essentially become the kingmakers and price fixers for all the players. This creates anti-trust issues left and right.

I think everyone envisions this world where some elite prospect is getting an offer of $5 million for something like $300,000 worth of endorsement value, and now there’s this agency that can snuff that out. But reality isn’t that simple. The eventual legal precedent will be set by what happens on the margins, like in the case above.


Perhaps “opt-in” is the incorrect phrasing, but what I’m referring to is the process by which the players defer their right to litigation and instead pursue arbitration if they have what they feel is a legit NIL deal that gets rejected. As you said, the players will be signing these NIL deals before they enroll and join the team. They will expect their deals to get rubber stamped prior to enrollment and starting practice. So in reality, they will be able to pursue legal action on a rejected deal if they have not yet enrolled, participated, and received any revenue sharing payments. They will be able to bypass the arbitration in these instances. It’s more of a gray area if they are already enrolled and have already received revenue share payments between Year 1 and Year 2, may depend on if they enter the portal, transfer down or up a division, etc.

But essentially, new incoming athletes from HS and JUCO ranks will have a path to go straight to the courts if they get an unfavorable ruling, because they aren’t granting any rights for the schools to use their NIL until they actually show up on campus and start team activities.


This is another path that’s going to get tested. Why should anyone ever be in a position where they cannot enter a business arrangement that would be beneficial to them, and simply accept something that is offered to them in exchange for doing something that isn’t illegal?

What’s actually going to happen is this. There are going to be around 7,000 athletes just in P4 football and MBB alone that are eligible for private NIL deals every year. A large number are going to sign them, and many are going to sign multiple deals.

There will be tens of thousands of deals that have to get processed a few times per year that align with the portal windows, and every player (and their school) are going to want approvals to happen post-haste so the player can start getting paid, and the school can be confident in their roster. They’ll also want them to be cleared prior to enrollment at new school, if they are in the portal. These deals are also going to be lengthy and complex in nature and filled with all sorts of legal jargon that has to be parsed through by these analysts at Deloitte.

Long story short, Deloitte’s going to run into a bandwidth issue very quickly where they cannot keep up with doing legit contract reviews in a timely manner. Players who get stuck in limbo will sit and refuse to practice / play until their case is resolved (including arbitration). There will be public scrutiny on Deloitte holding the players hostage unless one of two things happens…..they have a wide tolerance window where only especially egregious deals are getting rejected, or, they have a very severe threshold where deals are almost automatically rejected unless very specific criteria are met. Scenario 1 will render their very existence to be practically meaningless, and Scenario 2 will lead to class action litigation very quickly. Neither is a desirable outcome for this new model.


Well that’s going to turn up the heat on the decision timing. See above. Surely there is an option to simply return the money if a deal is rejected?
You're putting way too much effort into this. The system will never be perfect, and there will always be ways to game the system a bit. My position is this has a solid legal basis, and isn't going to collapse as quickly as you seem to think.

Is it your position we should just let boosters pay athletes whatever they want? I mean, that's fine, but college sports are over at that point.

Most of these hypotheticals you are discussing I have no problem with. Multiple businesses cutting $20k deals? No problem, let them advertise. Multiple $599 deals? That's really just one deal, and if the player gets caught failing to disclose it he will be in violation. (No, they have not finalized whst the penalties will be yet)

As said elsewhere in this thread, Deloitte is the expert in calculating FMV for these deals. Yes, it is difficult and inexact, but they will have their basis for it and the athlete can fight if he wants to. They are setting this up to be rapid, turn around, we'll aware of the bandwidth they are facing. They have promised 45 day arbitration (I read, somewhere), but I have my doubts on that.

As for HS and JUCO players, they know what the rules are for the NCAA. AFAIK, they aren't allowed to enter into these deals while they are still eligible to play in those leagues. Once their playing time is up, perhaps they can go ahead and seek approval for deals offered to them as D1 athletes...I haven't seen anything on that.

I do expect FMV to spiral upwards. Why wouldn't it? That doesn't make the system a sham. Ialso think there will be abuses and unfair results. I just think the system has a sound legal basis and represents a decent attempt at limiting pay for play.

Now about those Title IX issues....
 

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You usually talk about what the money is being raised FOR when you are raising it.
The process of raising and source of funds was the topic. What is it being used for? NIL. What sport the NIL funds would be spent on was not being discussed because it was not relevant to the discussion. You interjected that... again.
 

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You're putting way too much effort into this. The system will never be perfect, and there will always be ways to game the system a bit. My position is this has a solid legal basis, and isn't going to collapse as quickly as you seem to think.

I’m not saying there’s no solid legal basis. I’m fully aware that an avenue exists for a process to take place that sets up some kind of guard rails. But the pragmatist in me believes very strongly that it won’t be enough…..and that there are far too many gray areas in play relating to everything from how the deals are appraised, how consistently the policies are applied, what transparency will exist in the deals that are both approved and rejected, what repercussions occur from a bogus deal, are those repercussions consistently applied, at what point an athlete must choose arbitration over legal action, at what point legal action can be pursued over arbitration, how state laws that prohibit any NIL restrictions come into play, what rights does an athlete with a rejected deal have to pursue a different deal at the same school or a different one, who is actually responsible for enforcing all this, what are the sanctions for enforcement parameters on a school or athlete that violates them, and how fast all these cases get resolved after submission?

Is it your position we should just let boosters pay athletes whatever they want? I mean, that's fine, but college sports are over at that point.
Is it my position that “we” SHOULD do that? Hell no. But its already happening, and I think we’re way past the point that it can be stopped. There’s too much incentive otherwise. How do you tell the 5* defensive tackle in the class of 2026 that he can’t have a $2 million deal when he already knows that the 5* defensive tackle in the class of 2025 got exactly that? Waving a magic wand to just magically suppress the cost of doing business is not going to end well….you’re going to have a lot of non-compliance with the spirit of the rule, regardless of whether the letter of the rule is being followed or not. There will be hurt feelings, lawsuits, etc., and there hasn’t been a single lawsuit yet that hasn’t resulted in even more earnings rights being granted to the players.

Most of these hypotheticals you are discussing I have no problem with. Multiple businesses cutting $20k deals? No problem, let them advertise. Multiple $599 deals? That's really just one deal, and if the player gets caught failing to disclose it he will be in violation. (No, they have not finalized whst the penalties will be yet)
It’s not one deal if there are different contracts. I sign a one week NIL deal starting today that expires in 7 days. I get paid $599 for a social media reference to a business at some point during that week. I sign another deal tomorrow for the same business, but different work - they want to use a 10 second recording of my voice on a radio ad. I sign another deal the next day with a different company, but again with the radio ad. This is where the collectives will continue to operate and add tens of thousands of dollars in payroll to each athlete by acting as a hub between the businesses and the players. The businesses will have “stakeholders” in the background that are helping “promote the business”.

As said elsewhere in this thread, Deloitte is the expert in calculating FMV for these deals. Yes, it is difficult and inexact, but they will have their basis for it and the athlete can fight if he wants to.
I believe they have as much expertise as anyone possibly could. But this is such a new arena that there isn’t really much expertise to be had…..by anyone. How do you compare the NIL value of a college athlete to a singer, a YouTuber, a social media influencer, a movie star, a famous local celebrity, a traditional spokesperson, a radio personality, or just a guy off the street? The rules they are trying to use for the calculation aren’t even finished being written.

They are setting this up to be rapid, turn around, we'll aware of the bandwidth they are facing. They have promised 45 day arbitration (I read, somewhere), but I have my doubts on that.
45 day arbitration will be a complete shítshow. That’s 1.5 months an athlete would have to wait on getting paid anything after signing a deal.

And another item - athlete signs deal. Deal gets rejected by clearinghouse. He still gets paid, if he wants to just accept whatever eligibility consequences there are. What does that look like?

As for HS and JUCO players, they know what the rules are for the NCAA. AFAIK, they aren't allowed to enter into these deals while they are still eligible to play in those leagues. Once their playing time is up, perhaps they can go ahead and seek approval for deals offered to them as D1 athletes...I haven't seen anything on that.
High school athletes are allowed to sign NIL deals while still in high school and participating. In multiple states. So that’s actually another problem. But that wasn’t what I was referring to. What I was saying is the following sequence occurs:

1) High school senior concludes senior year of athletic activity.

2) High school senior signs lucrative NIL deal.

3) High school senior commits to XYZ school.

4) High school senior has his lucrative NIL deal - that he signed before even committing to a school or agreeing to play college sports at all - rejected, on the basis that XYZ school set it up as pay for play.

5) High school senior is told he has to go through a possible 45-day process to prove legitimacy of the deal he signed before he ever committed anywhere, if he wants to pursue a collegiate career in his sport.

6) 45-day process concludes, original ruling upheld. He can’t keep any money offered to him.

7) High school senior is told he cannot go to any school with that deal in place, even though he never even agreed in any capacity to let XYZ school use his NIL in the first place before he signed the deal.

8) Lawsuit

I do expect FMV to spiral upwards. Why wouldn't it? That doesn't make the system a sham.
I never said it was a sham. It’s just ripe for exploitation, and is going to likely set up the final death blow for college sports very soon.

Ialso think there will be abuses and unfair results. I just think the system has a sound legal basis and represents a decent attempt at limiting pay for play.
Oh its the best possible attempt, probably. But I don’t have very high confidence in the best intentions not being totally exploited and eventually destroyed by bad actors, wealthy and influential supporters, and judges / politicians.

Now about those Title IX issues...
Not even going to get started on that one.
 

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The process of raising and source of funds was the topic. What is it being used for? NIL. What sport the NIL funds would be spent on was not being discussed because it was not relevant to the discussion. You interjected that... again.
You are just arguing to argue.