someone explain why RU is such a bad job?
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Wow, thanks guys for the depressing thread. I sure hope none of you answer phones for the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline.
The perception has improved significantly since Saturday now that Dingbat is gone and we have a pro running the AD
The perceptions of RU started long before she came on board.
I thought Schiano had killed the idea of RU being a coaching graveyard but those phrases have come back.
Our football stadium compares favorably to yours.
Our football history, the last decade, campares to yours and we are the birthplace of college football. Neither one of us is Alabama.
I LOVE THE SPREAD OUT CAMPUSES AND THE BUSES! That is why I went to RUTGERS!
UMD competes with Pro Teams.
Guess you never traveled thru Baltimore.
I lived in MD couldn't wait to come back home.
It doesn't take 4 hours to go to the beach.
Cons
Money
Cost of living
Most of the country hates NJ
NYC - the media pressure, fast pace of life, and constant demand for greatness
No respected winning tradition which results in any quality recruits leaving asap.
Pro
FBS Team
Money
Cost of living
Most of the country hates NJ
NYC - the media pressure, fast pace of life, and constant demand for greatness
No respected winning tradition which results in any quality recruits leaving asap.
Pro
FBS Team
It's not a "bad job," IMO, but any coach hired here is up against it in a state where the media doesn't drink the Kool-Aid and would rather write about things like the cost of coaches salaries (low on a relative scale to our competitors) and cost of contract buyouts than the puff pieces like you find around schools outside of pro sports markets. Also, it's a place where core fans' expectations are unrealistic in light of the budgets and facilities (again, relative to our comps); so even if you're a Schiano, to many, you're not "good enough" no matter the level of reclamation of the program. If I'm a coach, I'd rather go somewhere where there's less aggravation and the fans treat me like a demigod instead of being crapped on by the media, my own faculty and some core fans.
Pro:
TONS of talent in NJ
Con:
Most don't want to play for Rutgers
Pro:
Win here and NJ, NYC and Philly Media will love you ans shower you with attention.
Con:
Lose here and the same above will ruin your career.
Pro:
Fans are extremely loyal to Rutgers
Con:
That won't stop them from turning on you in a heartbeat
Pro.
Top 25 University internationally
Con:
No BS general studies degrees, so the dumb jocks will not want to come here
Pro.
Birthplace of College Football!
Con: We just got serious about CFB in the 2000's
Pro:
Rutgers is in The Big Ten, currently the top football conference in the US! Just look at the top ten rankings!
Con:
Rutgers is also in the murder's row of Football divisions.
Pro:
Rutgers put most of it's money in football and the Hale Center
Con:
It is still behind many other Big Ten schools.
Pro:
Dance team!
Con:
Band is stuck playing Paul Simon songs.. sigh
TONS of talent in NJ
Con:
Most don't want to play for Rutgers
Pro:
Win here and NJ, NYC and Philly Media will love you ans shower you with attention.
Con:
Lose here and the same above will ruin your career.
Pro:
Fans are extremely loyal to Rutgers
Con:
That won't stop them from turning on you in a heartbeat
Pro.
Top 25 University internationally
Con:
No BS general studies degrees, so the dumb jocks will not want to come here
Pro.
Birthplace of College Football!
Con: We just got serious about CFB in the 2000's
Pro:
Rutgers is in The Big Ten, currently the top football conference in the US! Just look at the top ten rankings!
Con:
Rutgers is also in the murder's row of Football divisions.
Pro:
Rutgers put most of it's money in football and the Hale Center
Con:
It is still behind many other Big Ten schools.
Pro:
Dance team!
Con:
Band is stuck playing Paul Simon songs.. sigh
my 2 cents
1. Lack of football tradition compared to the legacy schools from the B10, ACC, and SEC. Even the newer ACC schools had greater winning success then Rutgers in the 80s and 90s that helped to build a fan base and some traditions.
2. Politics and Money - these 2 work hand in hand since the state supports the school to some degree. Trenton is very involved with the going ons at Rutgers. Everytime Rutgers fires a coach and has to pay out a million dollar buy out it provides ammunition to the anti-sports and anti-Rutgers people.
3. State Pride / NJ demographics - there is a lack of pride in NJ and the state colleges. Many NJ residents grew up outside of NJ and moved to NJ because of jobs either in NJ or close by in NYC or Philly. On top of that we have a large percentage of the population that looks down at state schools and chooses to pay more to attend either private schools or neighboring state schools. While many legacy Big 10 states get casual support for their sports teams Rutgers does not. Many casual fans that did not attend college or a Division 1 school may root for front runners or Notre Dame instead of their state school. If you look at states like Wisconsin or Nebraska it is the opposite where the avg resident roots for the state school.
1. Lack of football tradition compared to the legacy schools from the B10, ACC, and SEC. Even the newer ACC schools had greater winning success then Rutgers in the 80s and 90s that helped to build a fan base and some traditions.
2. Politics and Money - these 2 work hand in hand since the state supports the school to some degree. Trenton is very involved with the going ons at Rutgers. Everytime Rutgers fires a coach and has to pay out a million dollar buy out it provides ammunition to the anti-sports and anti-Rutgers people.
3. State Pride / NJ demographics - there is a lack of pride in NJ and the state colleges. Many NJ residents grew up outside of NJ and moved to NJ because of jobs either in NJ or close by in NYC or Philly. On top of that we have a large percentage of the population that looks down at state schools and chooses to pay more to attend either private schools or neighboring state schools. While many legacy Big 10 states get casual support for their sports teams Rutgers does not. Many casual fans that did not attend college or a Division 1 school may root for front runners or Notre Dame instead of their state school. If you look at states like Wisconsin or Nebraska it is the opposite where the avg resident roots for the state school.
Pros - Potential backs by facts
Cons - Perception backs by facts
Rutgers is somewhere in the middle
Cons - Perception backs by facts
Rutgers is somewhere in the middle
it's not a bad job, it's a high risk/ high reward opportunity, Like him or not Greg Schiano is now a household name and a multi millionaire, before Rutgers he was a young DC who very few knew. His predecessor Terry Shea, was a Bill Walsh recommended hot commodity who failed miserably and is now a trivia question. Bottom line RU can put you on the big stage or rip you a new one, the opportunity is here so is the risk.
Because national CFB sportswriters say it's a bad job*. We are the Centralia fire of dumpster fires if you asked them.
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A small incentive for Rhule to consider Rutgers (unless he lives in South Jersey). Unlike Temple, no Philly city wage tax to pay coaching Rutgers, which is around 4% of income. My understanding is that you pay that if you work in Philly, regardless of whether you live in Philly or not. That's a pretty big chunk of change for any HC salary. Maybe that's why Chip Kelly lives in Haddonfield. He can use the wage tax and PA income tax to offset the NJ income tax obligation.
It could be a great job if alumni supports/donates more and if school leaders really want to win and make it financially successful.
There are many reasons:
1) No tradition, lack of history, even with the Schiano era, which yielded zero championships.
2) Lack of institutional support - cannot think of any other high D-1 school whose faculty so often and so loudly has expressed disdain for D-1 athletics.
3) Subpar facilities and perceived lack of commitment to athletics
4) Inconsistent and ambivalent fan base
5) Historic inability to recruit its own state with consistent success.
6) New York next door produces few top level D-1 players.
7) Rutgers is considered a NY metropolitan area school and NY/NJ is dominated by pro sports.
8) Campus is unusual and not the typical, bucolic college campus of the south or Midwest.
9) Huge budget shortfalls for the school in general, much less the athletic dept.
10) Rich alumni are not stepping up to fill the holes.
11) Perhaps the most difficult football division in America.
12) Lack of continuity in leadership in the athletic dept.
This is just a start off the top of my head. As a NJ native,, I have always rooted for RU's success. Too many obstacles for it to be considered a great or even good job. A confident, ambitious coach is needed to take what he has and build on it.
Every pro NY/NJ sports team (at least 9 teams not counting MLS) is in season at some point during the RU football season. They all suck up the TV time.
Well let's compare here my friend Duke = the worst at 1 and Florida State = the best at 10. Tell me where Rutgers is?
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He lives in the Graduate Hospital area in Philly, down the street from where my brother recently lived when he was at Penn.
Also, the RAC is a definitely a "crap" facility, but our stadium is middle of the pack in the Big 10 and considerably nicer than MD's.