Something I never thought I would see.......

[ZombieKissinger]

Partially correct. They were buying players before like everyone else. Especially in baseball. However, the University endowment wasn't allowed to get involved. Someone posted how they have grown their finances at Vandy. Now they are a player with NIL.

I’m talking about football specifically, but baseball also effectively had the scholarship advantage

 

[patdog]

Actually college and NFL offenses are significantly more similar now than they were a decade or two ago. Historically the gap was wider yes, but not today. This stems from the NFL’s adoption of college offenses not the other way around. Shotgun snaps are 70% in both levels, up from 40% in the NFL 2010. Rookie leashes are shorter, as 6 first round college QBs in 2024 thrived faster in today’s NFL college style game. So back to Vanderbilt and Pavia. This makes him even more of an absolute niche system superstar thriving in a niche system that does not translate to the NFL.

The difference is you can be a very good college QB even if you’re just an average passer. In the NFL those QBs get eaten alive if they ever even get a shot. You have to be an elite passer in the NFL.

 

[bulldoghair]

The difference is you can be a very good college QB even if you’re just an average passer. In the NFL those QBs get eaten alive if they ever even get a shot. You have to be an elite passer in the NFL.

Only in a niche or unconventional offense as compared to what most of college football and the NFL run now a days, which as I pointed out have become more similar in today’s game. Pavia along with Haynes King of Georgia Tech and Blake Horvath of Navy, all have 60% completion percentages. All are considered average passers that aren’t expected to be drafted. King might possibly get picked in a late round possibility. All are very good quarterbacks that fit their respective niche offenses. No one else essentially is running the schemes that they are running in college or the NFL. Blake Shapen for comparison is a much better passer than the other three and has a higher completion percentage at over 65%, but his numbers are in a common college/NFL ish up tempo spread offense. In other words nothing special.

 

[leeinator]

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Very weak links here

I guess I should be ashamed of myself because I absolutely have no idea who these 2 fellows are.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

I guess I should be ashamed of myself because I absolutely have no idea who these 2 fellows are.

Coaches Turner and Loadholt

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The big thing driving Vandy now is that paying players is allowed and it wasn’t before Lea. He absolutely gets credit, but they weren’t Ole Miss-ing star recruits before NIL

I just don’t believe that NIL was their spark. Programs who had little support before didn’t just snap their fingers and come up with money because it was legal.

Vandy is going against the grain and doing things differently. How many of their players besides Pavia did they actually beat out other SEC programs for? I rest my case.

 

[L4Dawg]

Vandy being a private university sort of hides what they really have. They don't have to report their financials to the SEC like the rest of us do. You just have to guess, I guess. I hear from reliable sources that their endowment is really stout

Their endowment #s are out there. I saw them somewhere a few months ago. It's really big, but not as big as A&M and Texas. They were third in the SEC.

 

[L4Dawg]

I just don’t believe that NIL was their spark. Programs who had little support before didn’t just snap their fingers and come up with money because it was legal.

Vandy is going against the grain and doing things differently. How many of their players besides Pavia did they actually beat out other SEC programs for? I rest my case.

It's the money. Rumor is they are spending pretty big on football and intend to spend bigger.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It's the money. Rumor is they are spending pretty big on football and intend to spend bigger.

You got your swirly yet. I bet you prefer a wedgy

 

[L4Dawg]

You got your swirly yet. I bet you prefer a wedgy

No real argument so resort to insults, you are hilarious.

 

[GloryDawg]

He has a hell of a QB and Hell of a OC. That's whats driving it. Both will be gone.

 

[bulldoghair]

I just don’t believe that NIL was their spark. Programs who had little support before didn’t just snap their fingers and come up with money because it was legal.

Vandy is going against the grain and doing things differently. How many of their players besides Pavia did they actually beat out other SEC programs for? I rest my case.

It's the money. Rumor is they are spending pretty big on football and intend to spend bigger.

The hive mindset absolutely refuses to admit the real reason some niche throwback style teams are winning in the NIL/transfer portal era. Admitting would destroy the narrative: “Without a X-amount million NIL collective, you can’t compete. It’s purely pay-to-win”. Admitting the real reason leaves them without their excuses for losing and mediocrity.

 

[L4Dawg]

The hive mindset absolutely refuses to admit the real reason some niche throwback style teams are winning in the NIL/transfer portal era. Admitting would destroy the narrative: “Without a X-amount million NIL collective, you can’t compete. It’s purely pay-to-win”. Admitting the real reason leaves them without their excuses for losing and mediocrity.

It's not hive mind stuff. It's reality. It's pretty much always been that way too. NIL just made it legal. There have been very few gate crashers to the top of the standings in the last 50 years, and almost all of them had big money that they had decided to spend on football. It's this "football messiah" stuff that is the real hive mind, at least at MSU.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Don’t look now.. but we ARE putting up those records.

Year 4’s gonna be great!***

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

.....over the last 60 years of watching MSU football. That Vandy is bigger, taller, and faster at every position on a team than we are. I don't know what Lea makes at Vandy, but you would think every P4 team with an opening would be backing up the Brinks truck to his house ASAP. He is a complete coach in every way. And he doesn't turn into a teenager after he goes home in the evening like Lame does. I guess since he's a Vandy grad....that they will have an inside track on keeping him in the future. Plus, their endowment at Commodoreville dwarfs most other comparable universities. I think they are better this year than any team James Franklin ever had there.

Sh|t, it was like that (Vandy players bigger/faster) when MSU played @ Vandy under Croom.