Winning can cure a lot of ills and turn the focus on the Team, not which tent throws the best drunk fest! Carry on with the pitty party!
Southern Traditions tailgating…
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What I saw after the Kentucky game didn't have anything to do with students. Have you been out of Saltillo in the past decade?
I do not think it would be unreasonable to require Southern Traditions or any other contracted group to use tents that are Maroon or white and/or include our logo.
This thread made me think about the time some guy took his belt off and used it as a whip in a fight in the middle of the junction. Does anyone remember that and maybe have a video?
The junction turned into an issue. You can tap dance around it if you want to, but back here in reality it had gotten to be a problem and it wasn't one game.
I've been in the junction every home game the last two years, it hasn't gotten bad at all. I didn't see one single problem. You had the outside bunch throwing a party and campus police didn't do their jobs one time and it's no worse than it's ever been. Stealing has been a worse problem and that too falls on the police to handle.
People there for free are effectively priced out by the paying customer, so yes, people are priced out. Granted, nobody is coming to the games, so there will be some spots somewhere.
It got a little better last year - increased police presence, new policies, etc., but it had gotten really bad before that. That Arnett year it was really sketchy out there. Lots of folks with no ties to MSU coming out there and causing problems. Fights, drinking, theft, and trashing the area. A lot of folks were uncomfortable. Hell, I think the university even addressed it in an email.
One man's problems are another man's party. You've got to see both sides here.
The students are used to loud booty music, people twerking on tables, the occasional brawl, kids passing out, and lots and lots of weed smoke. That's every night of the week around some fraternity houses and some bars in town. Hell, if I was in college or a young(er) alumnus (or quite possibly even just a few years ago as some here could attest) I might be right up in the middle of it.
You've got a large part of the fanbase who have matured past that, or are prudes, or for whatever reason see that as an issue - and if not for themselves personally - for their kids, who they want to bring to the games with them. I'm in that boat now. My kids are fun and cool, but do I want them smelling weed and seeing two people dancing by simulating sexual acts walking back from the game (true story)? Not really so much. But when that's happening right outside the stadium, we are sort of forced to walk right by it.
Moving the tents to that location seems like a fairly reasonable solution. Flip the tailgate scene so that the adults are closer to the stadium, let the kids do what they do up closer to fraternity row. Go for it, have fun you crazy kids - as long as me and mine don't have to walk past it.
This is a great post. The world would be a better place if everyone understood that their freedom ends where the person next to them begins. A little consideration for everyone involved would go a long way.
So to flip that. My freedom to express myself offends you so much that you want to move me out of sight? Are you saying that your freedom is now not being prioritized beyond where other's begins? By y'all's own admission your eyesight being offended means someone's else's bodily autonomy needs regulation.
I don't really care to see table dancing twerking outside of specific contexts either, but it's disingenuous to act like this is a good thing in the name of respecting people's freedoms. It's patently the opposite.
Let's be honest for once, between the random riff raff and trashy fraternity setups, it wasn't pleasant to walk through with your family.
If you are enjoying a quiet picnic with a loved one and I sat down next to you blaring offensive music and being generally disrespectful, then I am in the wrong. The error in your statement is proclamation of the freedom to "express myself." There are rules. There are policies. There are laws. And your right to express yourself doesn't exceed any of that. So if you're expressing yourself in a manner that abides by the law and specific policies and rules for the area you're occupying, have at it.
Even more, why would your "freedom to express myself" be allowed to infringe on my freedom to enjoy myself without being impacted by you? That sounds pretty selfish. Truth is, you're just as guilty of authoritarian behavior in that scenario as you accuse the other side of.
Beyond rights, it's a matter of common decency. And that's probably the biggest issue today - the complete and total lack of decency.
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Then it's not a positive for freedom. It's the opposite.
Again I don't disagree with the sentiment. I disagree with calling it freedom - it's patently the opposite. It's authoritarian.
I'm calling it "don't be trashy and you can stick around." You can call it what you want.
Seems like they are saying you are free to express yourself within the limits of the law, on MSU property, where the folks who control MSU property designate for you to do so.
Why don’t the party people set up shop in the Walmart parking lot and party every Saturday?
You can have rules. Rules are upheld by authority. Thats authoritarian.
I'm just correcting you calling it positive for freedom. It's literally the opposite. Let's call things what they are.
As for the "lack of decency" - well, different cultures define decency differently. Just look at how much our culture hates skirts on men right now while it's normalized in Scotland. When you start putting rules here - it is a restriction of freedom, not an exercise of "my freedom ends where yours begins." It's literally taking your "freedom" and extending it over someone else's.
Seems like they are saying you are free to express yourself within the limits of the law, on MSU property, where the folks who control MSU property designate for you to do so.
Why don’t the party people set up shop in the Walmart parking lot and party every Saturday?
Yea I have a tailgate with southern tradition right by the stadium and it had gotten bad. There's just no other way to spin it. Families were not feeling safe at all and that's not what is needed for the environment here IMO. It did get slightly better last year, but it was not just one incident. I think there could be a place for that type of stuff but not on the front porch of the stadium.
Well, you shlt the bed with this one.
Rules are rules. Civilized society has them. If you want anarchy, you deserve an authoritarian crack on your head.
You have to be correct to correct me.
As far as "different cultures define decency differently," well, this isn't a melting pot of cultures. This isn't Scotland. If you want to wear your skirt, take your *** to Scotland and have a ball. We have a civilized culture that you have respect here, whether you agree with it, or whether you came from a different one.
And finally, when you proclaim to have freedom to express yourself over someone else's freedom, you are just as guilty of being authoritarian as you accuse them of being. It's just an authoritarianism you happen to agree with because you're a selfish *******.
You've got a lot of growing up to do.
Oh, once or twice. If the students hadn't been there though, what you saw wouldn't have been there.
It’s as simple as having respect for others. And that’s eroding. Two page thread and the word respect just now showing up. Just do what’s right by others.
I had that issue walking in the Cotton District last year after the Toledo game. We pay to park at the Catholic Church and those bars in the Cotton District are just like that. Could smell the weed and had my family with me. Couldn't even walk on the sidewalk.
Freedom without responsibility is soon lost.
Yes a libertarian's dream is pure and free anarchy. We can agree on that and that it's stupid.
But it is more freedom being allowed, by definition.
Nowhere am I advocating for people doing the ****, quite the opposite if you re-read. So leave the ad hominem attacks out of it. Just don't say something that is patently restricting freedoms as a "positive for freedom". That's where you were wrong and I corrected you.
Too much "restricting freedoms" is done these days in the name of "promoting freedom" that we lose the meaning.
Sorry if the philosophy nerd is coming out - but this is one of the main things hammered into me eons ago getting my minor at State. People twist words to mean what they don't.
I'm not twisting anything, and these aren't ad hominem attacks.
Your freedom isn't absolute to the point that I can't have mine. This is fundamental. Whoever taught you that failed you.
You could see this coming from a mile away. I don't see the big deal, you're just flipping the paid and free spots. Better for TV and all.**
I am just excited that I don't have to walk past the kid zone from the bus to my tent anymore.
I am just excited that I don't have to walk past the kid zone from the bus to my tent anymore.
This all day.
The "students", most of whom are presumably adults at 18, didn't respect the freedom with the responsibility of policing it themselves, i.e. picking up after themselves, keeping debauchery in check, etc. Therefore, the good thing they had, they no longer have.
There are already laws and rules in place. Non-smoking campus, music volume level regulations, regulations regarding obstructing sidewalks and walkways, littering…so what freedoms are being restricted? The students can’t tailgate in a particular area because it’s now designated for a particular group and they have to go somewhere else to violate the rules and regulations?
The way I see it my freedom is restricted because MSU won’t let me set up a blue tent on the 50 yard line of Davis Wade and twerk to Barry Manilow songs during the game while I smoke swisher sweets and eat funky brownies.
Calling someone selfish and saying they have a lot of growing up to do is literally ad hominem.
And again - that statement is true. I can wear and move my body in my personal space how I want. Restricting that because you don't like what you see (whether it's because it's in the name of civilized or just spite) is your freedom encroaching past another's.
To put it another way - Id love to have the freedom to not see Ole Miss gear worn by any fan ever on State's campus. Unfortunately that infringes on the oxfart chapter of the klan's freedom. Same concept about what you're talking about.
No one is saying the students and their "guests" can't have fun (aka "freedom"). The school is saying just do it over there on our property <----- instead of over here on our property -----> and follow some basic rules of decency while you're at it. It appears to be about 400 feet away from the current party spot. It lets them have the 'freedom' you're claiming you want, but in a place that causes fewer problems for the other 80% of the fans.
Think about me taking my family to New Orleans. We can go to the aquarium, the D-Day museum, have great meals, and shop on Magazine Street, all without seeing, hearing, or smelling the Quarter. The people down there are still partying their dicks off, I assume, and I'm all for them doing that. But I have the freedom to keep my family away from it, which I do. I don't usually take my kids for a stroll down Bourbon at midnight. Everything is cool, right? But what you're claiming as a freedom is to block the entrance to the aquarium and MAKE me march my family down Bourbon every time we visit the city to get to our destination, whether I want to or not.
You're on the wrong side of this one.
Telling you that you need to grow up or that you're being selfish isn't an ad hominem attack. It's a truthful assessment that you continued to prove in this post.
Attacking someone's character and not their position is the definition of ad hominem. Whether it's true or not.
Smoky, this is sixpack, not nam. Words have meanings. You don't get the freedom to make things mean what they don't mean. 0 for 2.
Southern Tradition will assume responsibility of said area and have a registry of who is in what tent.
The part you've missed all along is that I agree with the freedom squashing. I just have the background to know what I'm doing ain't in the name of liberty. It's in the name of the pursuit of happiness.