Scared to quote me because you're wrong.
Maybe we should rehire Spears. Just call him up from the grave.
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Maybe we should rehire Spears. Just call him up from the grave.
Look in a mirror.
2,626 players entered the transfer portal. That is up almost a thousand players from the 2019-2020 season. Now, it is worth mentioning that number is total players, which includes scholarship players and walk-ons who enter the transfer portal with the hope of finding a scholarship.
Everyone of those must be the fault of Neal Brown.
WVU is not even in the top 15 this year in total portal transfers. There are at least 6 schools that have over 20.
But let’s not have those facts derail the current narrative that West Virginia is the worst and Neal Brown is the cause of it all.
Still waiting on that starter count of WVU portal transfers.
But let’s not have those facts derail the current narrative that West Virginia is the worst and Neal Brown is the cause of it all.
Still waiting on that starter count of WVU portal transfers.
Still waiting on evidence that WVU starters and other players have all left because of NIL pay being better at another school.
Evidence has already been presented that players are not happy with the coaching staffs (football/basketball) but its censored here because that way people like westsider can pretend it doesn't exist.
And as far as numbers go, from January 1, 2020 through December 6 2021 (less than a year), WVU lost 26 players through the transfer portal including players such as Ali Jennings, Alec Sinkfield, Tykee Smith, Dreshun Miller, Jeffery Pooler, Eddie Watkins, Darel Middleton, Kerry Martin Jr., Sam Brown, Parker Moorer and Isaiah Esdale.
Evidence has already been presented that players are not happy with the coaching staffs (football/basketball) but its censored here because that way people like westsider can pretend it doesn't exist.
And as far as numbers go, from January 1, 2020 through December 6 2021 (less than a year), WVU lost 26 players through the transfer portal including players such as Ali Jennings, Alec Sinkfield, Tykee Smith, Dreshun Miller, Jeffery Pooler, Eddie Watkins, Darel Middleton, Kerry Martin Jr., Sam Brown, Parker Moorer and Isaiah Esdale.
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That false claim has been made hundreds of times to try to excuse away the entire great season Holgorsen provided WVU that year, where he coached players he inherited along with many new ones he recruited and gave WVU and its fans a Big East championship and a crushing Orange Bowl victory over heavily favored Clemson. Something the coach he replaced could not do.
That is why I pointed out that BROWN hasn't won a bowl with players he solely recruited either. Try reading next time.
Ali Jennings - 26 catches 240 yards 2 TD's (2019 recruit) never started
Alec Sinkfield - 114 rushes 487 yards 4 TD's (2017 recruit) not a big loss
Tykee Smith - 70 solo 43 assist 113 Tkl 10.5 TFL 1 sack 4 INT (2019 recruit)
Dreshun Miller - 22 solo 9 assist 31 Tkl 1 0 TFL 1 INT (2020 recruit)
Eddie Watkins - 1 solo 1 Tkl 1 TFL (2020) 2 seasons of pine splinters
Jeffery Pooler - 29 solo 23 assist 52 Tkl 12.5 TFL 6.5 sacks (2017 recruit) Pooler would is transferring because he has a covid year if not for that he would have no eligibility was beat out by a freshman for starting role.
Darel Middleton - was here every bit of 3 months (JC recruit July of 2022)
Isaiah Esdale - 56 rec 648 yards (2019 recruit) 2 TD - got beat out cried left
Kerry Martin Jr. - 40 solo 13 assist 53 Tkl 3.5 TFL / got a coach fired (2019 recruit - sat out 2020 then 2021 came back a bench rider)
Sam Brown - 10 rec 108 yards (2020 recruit) total drops unknown
Parker Moorer - no stats listed (2019) 3 years of pine.
Bench warmers and a mix of players that lost their starting positions became key backups. Smith and Miller were big losses but replaced easily. Just like the rest will be replaced easily.
Syracuse 49- easily favored WVU 23. Probably not quite as embarrassing as Coke Head Dana led Mountaineers losing to Orange 38-14 in the 2012 Pinstripe Bowl after practicing in a ballroom to prevent his boys from being in the cold.
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Truth be told, 1/1/2020 through 12/6/2021 would be about 25 days shy of 2 YEARS. Not less than a year.
It’s amazing how the rest of college football counts from the start of fall camp (when everyone is on the team with a chance to play) through the day before the next fall camp starts.
I guess it doesn’t help the cause does it herdster?
I guess it doesn’t help the cause does it herdster?
So how many yards did a Holgersen player gain passing, receiving or rushing during the Orange Bowl?
Here, let me help you. Andrew Buie had 47 yards rushing in a game that WVU ran up and down the field. Dustin Garrison didn’t play. So what Holgersen recruit helped WVU run over Clemson again?
Finishing in a 3 way tie with Louisville who beat WVU and Cincinnati. That was dominating head coaching there in winning the Big East. WVU got the bid due to being ranked all the way up to 17, seven spots ahead of UC and unranked UL.
So Buie and Garrison, that constitutes “many”??
Holgorsen players gained EVERY yard in the Orange Bowl and every yard in the 12 games he coached them in the entire season before he coached them into that bowl. He also likely recruited some players when he came in as the O coordinator before 2011 recruits were signed.
Its absurd to pretend that these were not DHs players or team after an entire season. They were absolutely his players just like if it were an NFL team, that hired a new coach , the previous coach didn’t win anything, the current one goes to the superbowl— who gets the credit? But liars just can’t stop lying. They’ve been proven wrong 1000 times over and still won’t admit it.
Its absurd to pretend that these were not DHs players or team after an entire season. They were absolutely his players just like if it were an NFL team, that hired a new coach , the previous coach didn’t win anything, the current one goes to the superbowl— who gets the credit? But liars just can’t stop lying. They’ve been proven wrong 1000 times over and still won’t admit it.
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Players he inherited = Not his
Many new ones = two that only gained 47 yards in the bowl.
So Holgersen gets to take credit for Stew’s team, but Brown can’t? I doubt that Stew would get any credit for beating Oklahoma like a drum, unlike Holgersen being Stoop’s bad little donkey, getting abused year after year.
Whatever herdie.
You've completely broken Westsider, as he's resorted to calling you a "Herdie" instead of continuing to engage you in meaningful debate. His next intelligent post will be his first.
When will you make an intelligent post? You didnt before you got banned as OSU grad and we still haven't seen one from queencoal.
Yeah, none of these trolls can argue the facts, so they resort to the attempt to discredit the poster with lies and childish insults. Truly sad such worthless derailing is allowed to wreck a discussion board.
Twisting in the wind again? Its you and your ilk that have been denying and trying to turn every accomplishment by Coach Holgorsen into someone else's success. I have simply pointed out that you can't apply a double standard. If it wasn't Holgorsen's team (untrue) then neither was it Brown's. Meanwhile you are trying to credit a losing coach with being better than one of the factually best coaches ever at WVU? Makes no sense.
I’m not discrediting Holgersen, I am just applying the same parameters you have placed on Brown. You don’t give Brown credit for the win in the Liberty because it was not his players, but you turn right around and claim the Orange Bowl team was all Holgersen’s. So either Brown is .500 so far at WVU or 0-1 in bowl games. Holgersen, not so much in bowl success. Make up your mind. I am not the one applying a double standard.
So point out my childish name calling and any lies I have posted.
So point out my childish name calling and any lies I have posted.
Wow, be careful who you run with there.
Still waiting on the lies and childish insults. We’ll take that back, I did call you a herdie. I can understand the problem there.