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Brushy Bill

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WhiteTailEER said:
At least you admit Trump wasn't the best candidate in the field.
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DJT's Presidency is the Newtonian response to the slow march to the left that America has been on since the 60's. He's the equal and opposite reaction, but instead of an incremental approach the right is going for it all in one swift move. This is why IF he fails to bring about some sort of peaceful equilibrium then those who are fed up with the status quo will push even further to the right, not run back to the center/left.
 
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WhiteTailEER

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Brushy Bill said:
DJT's Presidency is the Newtonian response to the slow march to the left that America has been on since the 60's. He's the equal and opposite reaction, but instead of an incremental approach the right is going for it all in one swift move. This is why IF he fails to bring about some sort of peaceful equilibrium then those who are fed up with the status quo will push even further to the right, not run back to the center/left.
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When he fails
 
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Keyser76 said:
Lol, you are too simple to even discuss with, yeah, a Dow chemical plant just like keeping my house clean. Why did the GOP ever create the EPA in the first place?
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Who (that matters) has said anything about killing the EPA. All I've heard was rolling back the last 10 years or so of regs; regs that were not necessary or were seemingly designed to kill exploitation of our resources.
 
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atlkvb said:
If you believe this, what is it about the EPA that makes you trust them?

Are they not also a collection of people? Who are they responsible for? Who do they answer to? Who monitors their efficiency? Who measures their effectiveness?

Corporations have shareholders, employees, and customers as answers to those questions.

Who does the EPA answer to?
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I'm not your civics teacher, but we need them for the exact same reasons the GOP created the agency in the first place. I trust them to worry about the environment, since that basically is their job, more than I trust a corporation, whose only job is to maximize share holder profit, not protect the environment. As for measuring their success, North branch Potomac is about all the proof I need. Are they perfect? no, can they be compromised, most likely, should we throw the baby out with the bath water and go back to what didn't work before? No.
 
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Keyser76 said:
I trust them to worry about the environment, since that basically is their job
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Not true with paperpusher government positions. Their job is to use up their budgets, and fight like mad to get their budget increased for the next year.
 
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atlkvb

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TarHeelEer said:
Not true with paperpusher government positions. Their job is to use up their budgets, and fight like mad to get their budget increased for the next year.
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This is 100% spot on. Just as with the members of Congress, getting and keeping their cushy EPA jobs is their only and primary concern.

EPA does this through fear and intimidation, Congress does it through manipulation of the tax code.
 
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atlkvb

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Keyser76 said:
I trust them to worry about the environment, since that basically is their job, more than I trust a corporation, whose only job is to maximize share holder profit, not protect the environment.
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I trust the corporation more to worry about that because without a clean environment and healthy people to purchase their goods and services they don't generate any profits.

Corporations are people who must also live in the same environment you claim they only want to mess up. EPA has no such concern other than perpetuating its own existence at the expense of Corporations or the very people it serves or employs.

I also trust Corporations more than EPA Government bureaucrats because it's easier to fire them (Corporations) if they don't serve my needs or meet my demands.

Try firing a corrupt or incompetent EPA administrator, or better yet try eliminating the agency for overall malfeasance?

Good luck.
 
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WhiteTailEER said:
At least you admit Trump wasn't the best candidate in the field.
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Many of us on the Right said this, even after he was nominated. We questioned his Conservative credentials, and many of us had problems with his proposals to punish companies who decide to move overseas, or tax imports to keep them from doing so.

He was a better choice than Hillary no question, but he was not the 1st choice for many Conservatives. However he won the Republican nomination fair and square (unlike Hillary) and after that unlike Republicans Congress, we all decided to unite behind his candidacy.
 
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Keyser76 said:
I'm not your civics teacher, but we need them for the exact same reasons the GOP created the agency in the first place. I trust them to worry about the environment, since that basically is their job, more than I trust a corporation, whose only job is to maximize share holder profit, not protect the environment. As for measuring their success, North branch Potomac is about all the proof I need. Are they perfect? no, can they be compromised, most likely, should we throw the baby out with the bath water and go back to what didn't work before? No.
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God forbid I put a 95 x 125 stone pad down, far away from any running water, without first spending thousands on a dry well/sand filter system. Thanks Chesapeake Bay Watershed! [thumbsup]
 
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