Spurrier sounds off on Arch Manning

[18IsTheMan]

Can't hold back on ribbing another Manning:

"They’ve got Arch Manning already winning the Heisman, too. My question is, if he’s that good, how come they let Quinn Ewers play all the time last year? He was a seventh-round pick.”

Former Florida coach skeptical of Arch Manning hype, questions why he didn’t play over Quinn Ewers

The comments were made on a recent podcast.

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[Uscg1984]

Once again, Spurrier just has the guts to say what everybody else was thinking.

 

[Piscis]

Best comment I ever read about Arch was from some recruiting guru when he was being recruited by everyone. He said; "Some of the teams he played against in high school looked like some sort of Make a Wish project".

 

[Lurker123]

Best comment I ever read about Arch was from some recruiting guru when he was being recruited by everyone. He said; "Some of the teams he played against in high school looked like some sort of Make a Wish project".

I recall a couple quotes floating around when he was being recruited that he was a 3 star talent with a 5 star name.

At the time, it seemed like sour grapes from teams who weren't getting him.

Regardless, we'll find out soon.

 

[adcoop]

I would like to pile on, but Arch did look pretty good in the couple of games that he started. Pretty good athlete. I thought he gave Texas a dimension at the position that they should have utilized more. Did pass for 325 yards in the only SEC game that he has started.

 

[Piscis]

I would like to pile on, but Arch did look pretty good in the couple of games that he started. Pretty good athlete. I thought he gave Texas a dimension at the position that they should have utilized more. Did pass for 325 yards in the only SEC game that he has started.

That SEC game was against MSSt who had an abysmal defense.

 

[adcoop]

That SEC game was against MSSt who had an abysmal defense.

I am aware and also a program we struggled with (1 score game) less than two years ago. Just saying Arch is a very impressive athlete from the eye test. Puts you more in the mind of his grandfather (Archie) if you are old enough than his uncles Archie and Eli. I know he played Private School Ball. However, those players are not all created equally. Archie, along with Lanorris, are probably the most impressive QB prospects in College Football. Klubnik is a pretty impressive athlete too, but doesn't have the arm talent of Manning and Sellers IMO. You will see by probably Game 3 or 4 that the talk of 5 star talent, 3 star game is ridiculous.

 

[Lurker123]

Archie, along with Lanorris, are probably the most impressive QB prospects in College Football.

I agree on Archie, and think the usual summer optimism is in full swing for the home player.

 

[adcoop]

I agree on Archie, and think the usual summer optimism is in full swing for the home player.

I think you are selling LaNorris short because he is raw. 6'3", 240 lbs QB that run a 4.5 and put vertical routes on the money don't grow on trees. I am from the Rock Hill area. I have been real high on Sellers since he dominated South Pointe and Northwestern to win the state championship his senior year. Players in this state rarely do that to South Pointe or Northwestern. When Sellers struggled early, I implored friends of mine to just wait. Trust the process. After that Missouri game, I pointed to my friends at the game and said that was what I was trying to tell you. Sellers only question is the mental part of the game. He appears to be a smart kid from the interviews I have seen him in. I, also, have some inside intel as my sister just retired as a school administrator in Florence County and my brother lives in Florence. I asked my brother should we worry about motivation given that Sellers has recently come into money. He said no and that Sellers is really a big nerd who just happens to be athletically gifted. Says, he will always be early to meetings and in the front row ready to work. I think we stumbled on one. I get that some fans are skeptical given our history.

 

[Lurker123]

I think you are selling LaNorris short because he is raw. 6'3", 240 lbs QB that run a 4.5 and put vertical routes on the money don't grow on trees. I am from the Rock Hill area. I have been real high on Sellers since he dominated South Pointe and Northwestern to win the state championship his senior year. Players in this state rarely do that to South Pointe or Northwestern. When Sellers struggled early, I implored friends of mine to just wait. Trust the process. After that Missouri game, I pointed to my friends at the game and said that was what I was trying to tell you. Sellers only question is the mental part of the game. He appears to be a smart kid from the interviews I have seen him in. I, also, have some inside intel as my sister just retired as a school administrator in Florence County and my brother lives in Florence. I asked my brother should we worry about motivation given that Sellers has recently come into money. He said no and that Sellers is really a big nerd who just happens to be athletically gifted. Says, he will always be early to meetings and in the front row ready to work. I think we stumbled on one. I get that some fans are skeptical given our history.

And I think you're overly optimistic on him because he's our qb. His primary weakness, and what's been noted he needs to work on, is his passing game.

That doesn't scream "one of the two best prospects" in the country.

Personally, I think he's our qb again next year, and that's a good thing.

 

[adcoop]

And I think you're overly optimistic on him because he's our qb. His primary weakness, and what's been noted he needs to work on, is his passing game.

That doesn't scream "one of the two best prospects" in the country.

Personally, I think he's our qb again next year, and that's a good thing.

No, I am really not. Have you seen the draft boards. NFL scouts have Cade Klubnik as the Top QB in College Football. Cade Klubnik has been up and down for two years and just lost to the kid you are saying I am so optimistic on. Garrett Nussmeier is considered a Top 5 QB in College Football this year. Should have beat him too if the refs didn't take it from us. Sellers had 3 bad games IMO. The ODU game, The Ole Miss game, and the Oklahoma game that we won. Go back and watch the tape of the last 5 weeks of the season. You saw a QB with young receivers starting to put it together. We didn't lose the bowl game because of our offense. We had a defense we had to throw together because guys were thinking about the next level. We couldn't make any stops when we needed it.

 

[adcoop]

Yes. He needs to work on his passing game, but I think you are thinking about the QB position in an outdated way. Guys like Jalen Milroe are going high second round and I think Sellers is as good as Milroe right now without an ounce of improvement. Heck, Anthony Richardson got picked with the #4 pick in the draft two year ago and passed for less yardage in his junior year than Sellers did in his freshman year.

 

[Lurker123]

No, I am really not.

Yes,you are. It's very telling that your comparisons of Sellers to other qb's is whether the team won or "should" have won.

Give LSU or Clemson our D from last year and their qb's would suddenly look a lot better too.

The NFL does not draft teams for the qb position.

 

[Lurker123]

Yes. He needs to work on his passing game, but I think you are thinking about the QB position in an outdated way. Guys like Jalen Milroe are going high second round and I think Sellers is as good as Milroe right now without an ounce of improvement. Heck, Anthony Richardson got picked with the #4 pick in the draft two year ago and passed for less yardage in his junior year than Sellers did in his freshman year.

You could have stopped after "yes, he needs to work on his passing game". One of these minorly important things for a quarterback to be able to do. But hey, passing is "outdated" now, right?

I think he'll make a great college qb, and I look forward him representing us for two more years.

 

[adcoop]

Yes,you are. It's very telling that your comparisons of Sellers to other qb's is whether the team won or "should" have won.

Give LSU or Clemson our D from last year and their qb's would suddenly look a lot better too.

The NFL does not draft teams for the qb position.

You do realize that Clemson had one of the better defenses in College Football last year and has a Top Notch defense almost every year. They have two guys on their defensive line projected to be in the Top 10 of Next Year's draft. I am well aware that Sellers is raw as a passer. However, I am, also, aware that the NFL does not hold that against you like they used to. If you are comparing to Brady, Rodgers or Manning as a passer. No, Sellers does not measure up. However, I don't put Sellers in that category. How does he compare to a Cam Newton, a Lamar Jackson, a Vince Young, etc. If you do that, Sellers compares very favorably. Newton and Young went #1 and Jackson, although being treated like you are trying to treat Sellers, went in the 1st Round and probably one of the biggest examples of poor scouting in the history of the NFL. All QBs don't have to be a precision passer. The question with guys like Sellers is can they can pass it well enough in conjunction with their athleticism to cause just as many problems for a defense.

 

[adcoop]

You could have stopped after "yes, he needs to work on his passing game". One of these minorly important things for a quarterback to be able to do. But hey, passing is "outdated" now, right?

I think he'll make a great college qb, and I look forward him representing us for two more years.

You hope he is here two more years. I hope so too. However, I have sense enough to know that the QB class for 2026 is pretty light and it might be the right decision for him to leave next year instead of waiting to 27 especially if Manning doesn't declare. Manning is the only QB in College Football right now that I would say, yea, I'll take him over Sellers. Nussmeier? Klubnik, Drew Allar from Penn State? Please.

 

[Lurker123]

You do realize that Clemson had one of the better defenses in College Football last year and has a Top Notch defense almost every year. They have two guys on their defensive line projected to be in the Top 10 of Next Year's draft.

And yet our defense gave up almost 100 yards less per game and 5 points less per game, while playing an SEC schedule.

You do realize that made our defense much better, right?

 

[Lurker123]

You hope he is here two more years. I hope so too. However, I have sense enough to know that the QB class for 2026 is pretty light and it might be the right decision for him to leave next year instead of waiting to 27 especially if Manning doesn't declare. Manning is the only QB in College Football right now that I would say, yea, I'll take him over Sellers. Nussmeier? Klubnik, Drew Allar from Penn State? Please.

The class is always pretty light before the season. The several guys play themselves into the first round. Usually it's qb's who can throw, but that's "outdated" or something.

I understand you would take him over a lot of qbs. Im not arguing that. Im simply pointing out that it's garnet colored glasses at this point.

 

[adcoop]

And yet our defense gave up almost 100 yards less per game and 5 points less per game, while playing an SEC schedule.

You do realize that made our defense much better, right?

No, it doesn't. The SEC was overrated last year and the CFP sort of proved that. ...and don't try to use stats when it fits your purpose. Stats can, also, show that Sellers compared favorable to several QB's that have been picked in the first round. You ignore that, but want to bring up stats when it comes to defense. I don't know why it is so important to you to discount Sellers anyway. If he has a great season, that is good for us and will probably mean that our team will be pretty good as well. It's like you want the guy to be good, but not too good to the point that he could leave us. Why do you think Coach Beamer went out and got Air Norland. He is no dummy. He knows the possibility of Sellers being able to declare is out there as well. Also, him leaving doesn't have to be about him winning. We have a basketball player about to be drafted in the 1st Round of the NBA draft in about two hours and we didn't win anything and he is not ready in my personal opinion. So, it's not always about a kid being ready for the next level.

 

[Lurker123]

No, it doesn't. The SEC was overrated last year and the CFP sort of proved that. ...and don't try to use stats when it fits your purpose. Stats can, also, show that Sellers compared favorable to several QB's that have been picked in the first round. You ignore that, but want to bring up stats when it comes to defense. I don't know why it is so important to you to discount Sellers anyway. If he has a great season, that is good for us and will probably mean that our team will be pretty good as well. It's like you want the guy to be good, but not too good to the point that he could leave us. Why do you think Coach Beamer went out and got Air Norland. He is no dummy. He knows the possibility of Sellers being able to declare is out there as well. Also, him leaving doesn't have to be about him winning. We have a basketball player about to be drafted in the 1st Round of the NBA draft in about two hours and we didn't win anything and he is not ready in my personal opinion. So, it's not always about a kid being ready for the next level.

Actually It does. The SEC being "down" doesn't mean the ACC was better. You and I both know that, and it reeks of desperation that you're trying to argue it. Do you want to look at the ACC CFP record?

And no, I dont only use stats when they suit me, I have no clue where you get that.
Here are Seller's stats.

LaNorris Sellers - South Carolina Gamecocks Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of South Carolina Gamecocks Quarterback LaNorris Sellers on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

www.espn.com

2500 yards, 18 td's and 7 int's, with a qbr of 69 . But you didn't even really look them up before typing, did you? Do you want me to post Lamar Jackson's or Cam Newton's stats to compare? (Hint: i looked and you don't. It gets worse if you add the rushing stats too)

You also didn't bother to look up the defensive stats when you proclaimed clemsons defense better, even though ours was drastically better.

You just seem to have an issue with reality as compared to your biased opinion.

 

[BftCocks09]

Can’t everyone just get along?

 

[adcoop]

Can’t everyone just get along?

I'm good. Dude chases me down wanting to argue about everything even when I am not talking to him. In this case, he wants to argue about a fact that most NFL mocks have Sellers in the Top 5 QBs for this upcoming draft. Some even have him as high as 2. Yet, he wants to do all this arguing that it is not so because I guess Sellers didn't meet whatever his standards are. ....and what makes it so stupid is that he wants to agree with me about Arch Manning being a Top QB, although he has barely played, but he wants to talk about garnet glasses about the guy that has 1 year of SEC experience under his belt. He can't be worthy. Makes no sense.

 

[Lurker123]

I'm good. Dude chases me down wanting to argue about everything even when I am not talking to him. In this case, he wants to argue about a fact that most NFL mocks have Sellers in the Top 5 QBs for this upcoming draft. Some even have him as high as 2. Yet, he wants to do all this arguing that it is not so because I guess Sellers didn't meet whatever his standards are. ....and what makes it so stupid that is that he wants to agree with me about Arch Manning being a Top QB, although he has barely played, but he wants to talk about garnet glasses about the guy that has 1 year of SEC experience under his belt. He can't be worthy. Makes no sense.

Imagine that. Posting comments on a message board is "chasing" you. I didn't realize you got to determine who responds to which threads.

It's okay though, you tried to make a point, got shown the actual numbers, your point fell flat on its face, and now you're backing off. Well, except that brilliant maneuver when you continued to argue while quoting another poster. That always fools people.

 

[Lurker123]

Can’t everyone just get along?

My turn to quote your post and continue to argue, that way i can pretend not to be posting to him.

He's just upset. He made a bold claim, and couldn't back it up. He had to start arguing that ACC defenses were better than SEC defenses to keep it going. And he wanted to compare Sellers to Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson, right up until I offered to compare their stats.

Some people can't just let go once they've made a statement. It's the product of a very closed mind, and the usual summer over exuberance of the fan base.

 

[adcoop]

Actually It does. The SEC being "down" doesn't mean the ACC was better. You and I both know that, and it reeks of desperation that you're trying to argue it. Do you want to look at the ACC CFP record?

And no, I dont only use stats when they suit me, I have no clue where you get that.
Here are Seller's stats.

LaNorris Sellers - South Carolina Gamecocks Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of South Carolina Gamecocks Quarterback LaNorris Sellers on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

www.espn.com

2500 yards, 18 td's and 7 int's, with a qbr of 69 . But you didn't even really look them up before typing, did you? Do you want me to post Lamar Jackson's or Cam Newton's stats to compare? (Hint: i looked and you don't. It gets worse if you add the rushing stats too)

You also didn't bother to look up the defensive stats when you proclaimed clemsons defense better, even though ours was drastically better.

You just seem to have an issue with reality as compared to your biased opinion.

Actually I did and compared them to the Junior Year Stats of Anthony Richardson who was the overall #4 pick 2 years ago. Of course, you go to Lamar Jackson's and Cam Newton's Heisman stats after Jackson had already started for a year and Cam Newton had been to 3 colleges. I am talking about Freshman stats dude.

 

[adcoop]

My turn to quote your post and continue to argue, that way i can pretend not to be posting to him.

He's just upset. He made a bold claim, and couldn't back it up. He had to start arguing that ACC defenses were better than SEC defenses to keep it going. And he wanted to compare Sellers to Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson, right up until I offered to compare their stats.

Some people can't just let go once they've made a statement. It's the product of a very closed mind, and the usual summer over exuberance of the fan base.

You are just arguing for no reason. Show me any Mock Draft where LaNorris Sellers name is not on it and I will shut up. You do follow me around like a little girl though. Political issue comes up. You follow me around. Now sports. You follow me around. I don't need groupies.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think we're all hoping Sellers plays well enough this year to be a top 10 draft pick. I wouldn't say I'm skeptical, as he certainly showed the ability the latter half of last year, but there have been so many players in college football who had a great year and then never replicated it. Besides that, I'm just reluctant to bite too much on offseason hype. Midway through last season, no pundit would have even had him getting drafted at all, so pushing him all the way to a possible top 10 pick based on half a season of play just feels like a knee jerk reaction. The media love to build a guy up, so they can tear him down.

For me, I just won't be surprised either way. If he balls out all season like he did the latter part of last year, I won't be surprised at all. If he regresses, I won't be surprised at all.

 

[Lurker123]

Actually I did and compared them to the Junior Year Stats of Anthony Richardson who was the overall #4 pick 2 years ago. Of course, you go to Lamar Jackson's and Cam Newton's Heisman stats after Jackson had already started for a year and Cam Newton had been to 3 colleges. I am talking about Freshman stats dude.

You are the one who brought up Cam and Lamar. Cam only played one full season, so no cherry picking there. And Lamar's stats from either of his final two years dwarf Sellers'.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

You are just arguing for no reason. Show me any Mock Draft where LaNorris Sellers name is not on it and I will shut up. You do follow me around like a little girl though. Political issue comes up. You follow me around. Now sports. You follow me around. I don't need groupies.

Sellers is in the top 5 in every mock draft I have seen.

 

[Lurker123]

You are just arguing for no reason. Show me any Mock Draft where LaNorris Sellers name is not on it and I will shut up. You do follow me around like a little girl though. Political issue comes up. You follow me around. Now sports. You follow me around. I don't need groupies.

Hate to break it to you, it's a message board. Lots of people post here. You dont get to decide who replies to whom.

What was it you said when you tried to be a tough guy to me before? "Do something about it?" Lol

And who's arguing that he's not in a mockk draft? I said calling him "one of the two best prospects in cfb" was looking through garnet colored glasses.

 

[Lurker123]

I think we're all hoping Sellers plays well enough this year to be a top 10 draft pick. I wouldn't say I'm skeptical, as he certainly showed the ability the latter half of last year, but there have been so many players in college football who had a great year and then never replicated it. Besides that, I'm just reluctant to bite too much on offseason hype. Midway through last season, no pundit would have even had him getting drafted at all, so pushing him all the way to a possible top 10 pick based on half a season of play just feels like a knee jerk reaction. The media love to build a guy up, so they can tear him down.

For me, I just won't be surprised either way. If he balls out all season like he did the latter part of last year, I won't be surprised at all. If he regresses, I won't be surprised at all.

Agreed.

I vote we let him play his way into Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson conversations before we annoint him.

 

[Lurker123]

Sellers is in the top 5 in every mock draft I have seen.

Top 5 or close, from what I've seen. As 18 pointed out about preseason articles, a lot is for clicks. I've seen the same guys shuffled all over depending on which qb they wanted to rate at the top. He'll, even saw sellers listed as the top in one article.

We all wish he plays well enough to earn that by season end. That's for sure.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Top 5 or close, from what I've seen. As 18 pointed out about preseason articles, a lot is for clicks. I've seen the same guys shuffled all over depending on which qb they wanted to rate at the top. He'll, even saw sellers listed as the top in one article.

We all wish he plays well enough to earn that by season end. That's for sure.

I also saw Arch Manning on every one of them. Please tell me what he has done so far.

 

[Lurker123]

I also saw Arch Manning on every one of them. Please tell me what he has done so far.

He has a great last name.

But he's in the same boat. He needs to actually do it before he should be annointed. Granted, my OPINION is that he is going to come through bigly.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

He has a great last name.

But he's in the same boat. He needs to actually do it before he should be annointed. Granted, my OPINION is that he is going to come through bigly.

He'll certainly be playing for a MUCH better team.

 

[Lurker123]

He'll certainly be playing for a MUCH better team.

Yeah, that's kind of an unfair advantage for him. So we can't just judge his play on his team results.

 

[Piscis]

What difference does any mock draft rankings make anyway? I'm more concerned about what is done in college where I am following him. I could not care less about mock draft rankings. Unless the rules have changed, we don't get any points or wins because of where our qb is ranked in mock draft rankings.

Stetson Bennett at UGA wasn't on anyone's top mock draft rankings and he won back to back national championships. That is what I care about and look for in a qb.

 

[18IsTheMan]

What difference does any mock draft rankings make anyway? I'm more concerned about what is done in college where I am following him. I could not care less about mock draft rankings. Unless the rules have changed, we don't get any points or wins because of where our qb is ranked in mock draft rankings.

Stetson Bennett at UGA wasn't on anyone's top mock draft rankings and he won back to back national championships. That is what I care about and look for in a qb.

The difference it makes, Piscis, is that if a writer correctly predicts Sellers as a top 10 pick, he can write about he predicted it correctly. If Sellers isn't a top 10 pick, he can write about how Sellers failed to live up to expectations.

 

[Lurker123]

What difference does any mock draft rankings make anyway? I'm more concerned about what is done in college where I am following him. I could not care less about mock draft rankings. Unless the rules have changed, we don't get any points or wins because of where our qb is ranked in mock draft rankings.

Stetson Bennett at UGA wasn't on anyone's top mock draft rankings and he won back to back national championships. That is what I care about and look for in a qb.

I would agree except for one small thing. If he's projected that high at the end of the season, and not just in clickbait articles, our chances of retention reduce.

But even then, we're talking about real draft evaluation vs mock draft articles.

 

[Piscis]

The difference it makes, Piscis, is that if a writer correctly predicts Sellers as a top 10 pick, he can write about he predicted it correctly. If Sellers isn't a top 10 pick, he can write about how Sellers failed to live up to expectations.

Quite a few writers predicted Shadeur Sanders to be the top pick in the draft or at least in the top 5 picks. Those same writers then wrote multiple articles about why they though Sanders fell so far in the draft. They never write an article that simply says "I was wrong".