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Moogy

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I wouldn't pass it off as a bad idea. Clearly, it's too late now. But at 1k per ticket I would have purchased 3 (I'm not as affluent as some claim to be here) and retired. But, I'd have done it in a heartbeat for any serious ceremony that would have honored Joe and Sue.
Also somewhat on topic....I spent the worst money of my life paying to join "The Lions Den." For 60 years I thought I was a Penn State fan. The anti-Paterno sentiment there is toxic. Nasty, smart *** people. For their sake, they need to hope there is no such thing as karma. I thought I had accidently entered the Panther Lair. So sad. Perhaps "WE" truly don't deserve better.
No one cares what you claim you would have done. It's what you've done. Do something. Stop crying that others who are actually doing things aren't doing things the right way, and then saying you could/would do better ... actually DO IT. Speaking of toxic ... this board's anti-BoT (and other party) sentiment is so bad and pervasive, you've turned on the entire university ... just to support one former coach to avenge some mythical wronging. That's crazy.
 

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No one cares what you claim you would have done. It's what you've done. Do something. Stop crying that others who are actually doing things aren't doing things the right way, and then saying you could/would do better ... actually DO IT. Speaking of toxic ... this board's anti-BoT (and other party) sentiment is so bad and pervasive, you've turned on the entire university ... just to support one former coach to avenge some mythical wronging. That's crazy.
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I understand and respect that everyone has an opinion on this. I'm satisfied that the decision makers went with the best financial offer. I fail to see why they would not. I also understand that nothing about "college football" resembles the game I've loved for more than 60 years. I'm not convinced that this process could not have been orchestrated in a manner to be palatable to Joebots like me. Putting Joe's name on the field without an overwhelming financial deal would have been a PR disaster and financially irresponsible. That's hard to dismiss. While I will never understand PSU fans who never took the time to study and understand the false narrative......I do get that the average person only knows what they hear or read.
I would have liked to see a meaningful gesture honoring Sue and Joe come forward in unison with the branding announcement. Something that would assure us Joebots that Joe would no longer be treated as persona non grata .....because there is no way in hell this program or this stadium is even close to where it is without him. Instead, I feel like they slammed the door, once again. Yes, nothing would please Joe or honor him more than winning an NC as Mauti says. But I have a question.....if PSU wins a National Championship, will the bastards even mention who the coach was for the other two?
Unless they start awarding National Championships for beating Purdue, that will not be in the offing anytime soon - sad to say…
 

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And there is probably some level of truth to that

But after watching a couple of people who are probably closer than any of us are to the situation, it appears the decision was made based on $50MM being ready and available in cash, right now. This appears to be the second largest gift made to PSU athletics-ever.

I suppose if a concerted group of people who wanted to name the field after Joe, could guarantee and document and have available more than $50MM, it would have been different.

I don't know if this firm gets some sort of tax break for the donation. But, one can assume they did not just do this out of the kindness of their heart.
Read the details…most if the $ will be paid beyond 10 years…smoke and mirrors…by them, everyone will have a shower seat and WSH might be out of existence.

Seems like another way to screw over those who value our founders and our history.
 
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You're not living in reality if you think that half of the Alumni base would be donating to that. I'm a huge Joe fan and extremely engaged in PSU football, and I wouldn't plan on contributing.

And you think that someone like Carl Nassib voted against it simply to spite Joe Paterno, not because he thought it made financial sense to do so? I'm far from a fan of our current BOT, but stuff like the conspiracy theories over Joe just leads to the narrative that we're a cult. They did this because we've got a crap ton of $$$ that we owe for this stadium renovation, and they need to find a way to cover the checks that they're writing.
There are leaders and then there are…
 

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The portion of the "alumni base" supporting this, especially to the point where they are willing to donate money toward this end, is MUCH smaller than half of all alums. Probably closer to 1% than 50%. And a good portion of those <1% probably aren't going to be around in 15 years.

It doesn't even make sense, regardless. They could rename it for free, if they wanted. What's the selling point ... "hey we could sell the naming rights and have someone else enrich the university, or we could rename it for free ... but instead ... we want to make YOU pay for what we could do for free!" And we'll do this while we search for other revenue streams to fund the facilities improvements, too.
1%? What planet are you living?
 
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Ludicrous. Didn’t say that I hated Joe. But my affection is directed more towards Penn State than it is towards Joe Paterno. I don’t think that’s something bad. My degree will say Penn State forever, but it will never say that I went to Joe Paterno University.

I do not believe the football field should be named after him and would have no interest in donating money towards that goal. I would oppose it and would believe that it is a bad idea for Penn State. I think the various honors that Penn State has bestowed upon him - such as the library and the fellowship program - are more than sufficient. I’m also fine with the recreation of his office in the sports museum, and I hope the family reconsiders.
Without Joe, your degree would be the equivalent of GED.
 
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For trustees to claim they want to find a way to honor Sue and Joe is a knee slapper. They've had more than a decade to figure this out. Any plans to properly recognize them could easily have coincided with the naming rights.
110% correct.
 
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I went to PSU. Got a varsity letter there. Didn't play football, but knew some football players well. I didn't go there for JoePa, or even for sports. I went for a comparatively cheap, quality education (University Scholars program ... now, Schreyer Honors College) because I lived in PA. Football was a fun entertainment option ... an excuse to party, socialize and drink ... and yell at/for some dudes running around with a ball, smashing into other dudes. JoePa was a good coach ... seemed like a good guy. Stayed on too long. Got caught up in a huge scandal, and may have been completely not at fault, or may have been in a position to do something more and didn't - of either option, I'll never be certain. But even if he was completely squeaky clean in the scandal, and had gone above and beyond in addressing it, whether or not there is a statue of him, or a building/field/what-have-you renaming in his honor ... just not a big deal to me. I don't hero worship. And if I did, it wouldn't be over a college football coach, unless that guy performed actual amazing feats, like curing cancer or solving world hunger, and otherwise led a life of unquestionable virtue. I like PSU because it was a springboard to a fantastic life, not because some tiny Italian football coach tried to get his meathead players to study mores

swing and miss…maybe you should go back and try again.
 

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Hammer meet nail.

Seeing the name "Joe Paterno Field" during live TV broadcasts ... the vitriol against Penn State would be off the charts. Anybody who doesn't think that the negative consequences for that (CFP rankings, TV appearances, recruiting) would cost Penn State down the road is blind to the realities of life.
I’d pay extra to see it! A lot extra.
 

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Erial, I may have over-exaggerated somewhat, but the CFP committee is made up of humans that have biases and prejudices like all of us. Certainly, if Penn State were the only 13-0 team in the country, they are not going to get bounced out of the #1 seed.

But, if they are 9-3 and in the discussion with a couple of other 9-3 teams for the 8 seed (home game) or 9 seed (on the road), I'm willing to bet (see what I did there) that some of the folks on that committee would silently slot Penn State at #9 for no other reason than their prejudices against Joe Paterno and the fact that Penn State blatantly honored him by putting his name on the field.
Do you watch out Big10…that’s been happening since 1993
 

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Why would you love that?

Regardless, Joe had something to with Beaver Stadium getting from its (not "it's") 1966 version to today's version. Now what? Am I obligated to fund a statue, naming rights and the renaming of Saturday to Paternoday for all mankind? Or can we just acknowledge that JoePa impacted this program and then move on with our
nope - you are obligated…it’s the least you could do…considering the program would be equivalent of Boston College or Connecticut without Joe.
 
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And, again, we're just subjected to nonsensical posts pumping up JoePa ... as if that matters and ends the discussion.

You can like and respect JoePa and still not think we need to rename buildings, fields, or anything else ... and still think we don't need to forego selling naming rights ... and still not just want to spend all our days living in the past.

The topic is selling naming rights ... and what's transpired is a bunch of people fawning over JoePa and trying to chastise people for not thinking about him like they do.

Damn, this is tedious. Focus.
No. Just doing what everyone else does
 

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Read the details…most if the $ will be paid beyond 10 years…smoke and mirrors…by them, everyone will have a shower seat and WSH might be out of existence.

Seems like another way to screw over those who value our founders and our history.
Link? Kraft reported the deal is front-loaded, to help pay for the stadium reno.
 

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1%? What planet are you living?

The one where folks can form a complete sentence. On which other planet are you living? If the cult could have gathered funds, they would have gathered funds. But they didn't, because they can't. The cult of JoePa is a VERY vocal (i.e. whiny) minority. And it's getting smaller all the time.
 

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Didn't Joe and Sue make "significant" financial contributions to the library and the fellowship program? I think you are confused. They "bestowed" their contributions upon Penn State. Not the other way around. I find it interesting that some like to look at this as purely a financial decision....seemingly forgetting the millions of dollars Joe raised for various projects at the university throughout his career. Perhaps the field should be "what have you done for me lately field? "
Yes Joe not only raised money for many projects including the Library....he also donated the cost equal to 4 years of matriculation for all 5 of his kids whom attended PSU free since he was a PSU employee.
 
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For trustees to claim they want to find a way to honor Sue and Joe is a knee slapper. They've had more than a decade to figure this out. Any plans to properly recognize them could easily have coincided with the naming rights.
According to reports Sue ask Neeli point blank if PSU was going to honor Joe by naming the field in his name. Neeli's response was one word......NO! When asked why, Neeli's response was "Word Can't Eplain It !?!?!?
 

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I think the thing no one wants to talk about is, in general, there is no way to walk back the damage and connection between JVP and the whole horrible JS topic. In my opinon the only thing that can walk this back is if a good portion of the paid off accusers recanted their testimony and admit they really lied for the money. There is what is "right" and what is "realistic". If the BOT went ahead and named the field for our beloved HC can you imagine the shiitshow that would reemerge? We would be right back to where we were in 2011/12. Now, i do believe the BOT has no desire to honor JVP becasue they are strictly focused on $$, and that is what is driving them. To them, any attempt to honor JVP will bring down heat they are too weak to fight through. In the end, i just don't see any way to undo the damage that was done to an amazing man. Add to that the fact that the Paterno family felt their best option was to settle the lawsuit and take a deal. It sucks but JVP must live on in our hearts and minds... at least for the foreseeable future
Honestly....the damage unjustly reaped upon Joe has diminished greatly everywhere except B1G schools east of tOSU and many on BWION3. The only damage would be focused toward the BOT reputation
 

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Barry, either go out there and raise money for something other than your legal fees or stop the BS. You had no problems asking for handouts while you sue the university, yet now you're telling us there's this mythical pile of money laying around 'if only;'.

Here's an idea, go collect pledges to name the stadium for Joe and see how much 'goodwill' there really is out there. Same thing for @Lubrano. Talk is cheap, go find the money if you're so sure this goodwill is out there.
Nonsense…they took pledges for $ 40 years for now - without discussion - and while plotting to dump Barry very quickly undemocratically just to maintain the decade long purge of Paterno to protect legacy scum BOT.
 

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Link? Kraft reported the deal is front-loaded, to help pay for the stadium reno.
Multiple links m/teferences were provided earlier. I am not your admin Assistant.

And I don’t care if the provide the $ - upfront in cash.
 

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Once again, where is the money Barry? How much money have you raised to provide a proof of concept the goodwill value of Joe Paterno’s name?

How much of that theoretical impact of ‘goodwill’ is reduced due to higher structured financing costs at current interest rates while you guys raise money you were too lazy to raise for the past 14 years?

You, Lubrano and Ted continue to dodge the question of why you haven’t raised funds to provide a competitive naming rights deal. And you’ll continue to dodge it because the harsh truth is you’re too lazy to do it. If you have a ‘fiduciary duty’ as you put it, you, Anthony, Ted and all the other people who are so convinced it’s worth something would have done the work to provide an actual offer to the school. With actual verifiable pledges.

Alumni at Alabama and Wisconsin put their own money up to make their field after Barry Alvarez and Nick Saban. Actual dollars. Not goodwill you haven’t even modeled (do the work), but money.

And yet we sit here with…nothing from you, Anthony or anyone. Another glorified blog post bemoaning a lost ‘goodwill’ you are unable to back up with actual dollars. Using Joe’s name to prop up your own.

You know what? Money talks, BS walks. And you are full of it. So get walking.
 
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Sue deserves better than to have these lazy grifters Lubrano, Fenchak and Ted Brown exploit her grief for their own political gain.

At least have the spine honesty to raise money on her behalf. Don’t break her heart by giving her false hope and then doing NOTHING to actually help her. People who were seriously interested in helping that family and honoring Joe would’ve had the spine and work ethic to raise money to make it happen.

You actually have a chance to name the stadium after him…if you’re willing to do the work @PSUFTG, that is if you aren’t so toxic you’ve already turned people away from the effort
 

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The children of PSU employees do NOT attend PSU for free.
That may be true now. However, the cases in point were decades ago, and I recall that there was at least a substantial deduction back then, perhaps 50%.

Edit: I looked it up--currently it's 75% off. That's pretty significant.
 
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According to reports Sue ask Neeli point blank if PSU was going to honor Joe by naming the field in his name. Neeli's response was one word......NO! When asked why, Neeli's response was "Word Can't Eplain It !?!?!?
Please, provide the reports. Links?
 

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Multiple links m/teferences were provided earlier. I am not your admin Assistant.

And I don’t care if the provide the $ - upfront in cash.
Try this again ... this time in English. No ... multiple links weren't provided earlier.

If you don't care if the money was provided up front in cash, why did you cry, incorrectly, that the money wasn't being provided until later?

You keep failing.
 

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Your logic is glitching Handleman.
No clue what the Handleman reference means ... I'm guessing it's another in your never-ending mistakes ... regardless, you're the fool crying that we could have raised an imaginary amount from imaginary people ... but you DIDN'T. If you could have, you would have.

Stick to crying that the guy who just led us to the CFP semis should be fired ...

Say hello to the one and only head coach of Penn State football ... JimFra ...

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Hammer meet nail.

Seeing the name "Joe Paterno Field" during live TV broadcasts ... the vitriol against Penn State would be off the charts. Anybody who doesn't think that the negative consequences for that (CFP rankings, TV appearances, recruiting) would cost Penn State down the road is blind to the realities of life.
It is never wrong to stand up for Truth
 
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It is never wrong to stand up for Truth
The Truth is that something positive was done for PSU football's current and future fortunes, and all you cultists can do is b!tch and moan.

You guys keep crying that no one's listening to you ... take the hint. Bring something worthwhile to the table, or no one will listen.
 
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According to reports Sue ask Neeli point blank if PSU was going to honor Joe by naming the field in his name. Neeli's response was one word......NO! When asked why, Neeli's response was "Word Can't Eplain It !?!?!?

Seems entirely plausible. 🤔
 
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The BWI fraternity of Joe Paterno haters is so small they now feel the need to create multiple new user names to make themselves feel like have formed a "Chapter".:rolleyes:

@Moogy = @NorthernStatePSU = @Corneliuswonder = @BlueRedBull = @Nothing Special = 🤷‍♀️

@ThePennsyOracle is a moniker from the old board. I'm uncertain if the it's really him or if someone from the above list spoofed his name in their cause. That said, the former "PennsyOracle" didn't like Joepa either.

@StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle is a rather strange individual. He once proudly claimed to reside in State College yet dislikes anything "Paterno". Yet somehow he allowed one of his offspring to attend same. Disgruntled faculty member needing free tuition? :unsure:

Do two or three JoePa (and Barry and Anthony) haters really represent anything?🤷‍♂️

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