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I love this by Williams:

Fans look at wins and losses and that’s pretty much what they base everything on,” Williams says. “Coaches look at other things. I’m watching State play with a depleted roster and Rick’s players continue to play hard and people don’t understand that’s so hard to do. He and his staff have done a really good job
 
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Good article Rick..and I agree, no need to bash Stan's..

But I'm afraid he has been and possibly continues to do things behind the scenes to undermine the program with boosters close to him that Polk did openly. My advice to Rick Ray would be to become best friends with John Cohen. Ron Polk is gone. Rick Stansbury is gone. And one day Dan Mullen will be gone. But all those stadiums and all of us alums will still be here. Many MSU boosters' biggest problem is falling in love with a coach and not supporting the best interests of their university. And they are so blind that they can't see the crippling effect it has.
 
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Original48 said:
But I'm afraid he has been and possibly continues to do things behind the scens to undermine the program with boosters close to him that Polk did openly. My advice to Rick Ray would be to become best friends with John Cohen. Ron Polk is gone. Rick Stansbury is gone. And one day Dan Mullen will be gone. But all those stadiums and all of us alums will still be here. Many MSU boosters' biggest problem is falling in love with a coach and not supporting the best interests of their university. And they are so blind that they can't see the crippling effect it has.
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Original48 said:
But I'm afraid he has been and possibly continues to do things behind the scenes to undermine the program with boosters close to him that Polk did openly...
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If you are going to make a charge like that, you need to come out and say what you think he is doing. Vague allegations like that are bush league.
 
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If you are going to make a charge like that, you need to come out and say what you think he is doing. Vague allegations like that are bush league.
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Nothing vague about it. It's well-known and widespread. What do you want him to give you? A list of megaboosters that are withholding support from the basketball program at the urging of Rick Stansbury? You think anybody has the actual list? No. That doesn't prevent the common knowledge that it's happening. EXACTLY like it did in baseball with the Polk to Cohen transition.

Why do you think Richard Williams is back in the fold after all these years? It's to help Ray transition -- something that Stans has not done and stood as an obstacle in many ways. Otherwise, why do we see pictures of Williams/Ray sitting by each other at highschool playoff games, with interviews from Williams about Ray, while Ray has yet to mention ever even speaking to Stans despite mentioning reaching out to him repeatedly?
 
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When a coach gets fired after a long tenure, I think it's just natural for them not to be around their immediate replacement. I bet whenever and however Ray leaves our program, Stansbury will be back involved with MSU.

We didn't see Sherrill until Mullen was hired.
 
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engie said:
Nothing vague about it. It's well-known and widespread. What do you want him to give you? A list of megaboosters that are withholding support from the basketball program at the urging of Rick Stansbury?...
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Absolutely. If you are going to make that charge, you should be prepared to name names. Tell me who these boosters are that are withholding money directly at the request of Rick Stansbury.
 
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I don't think he is saying it's at the request of Stansbury. I think he is saying the boosters loved Stansbury so much that they just won't support Ray. They loved Stansbury more than MSU if I am reading that correctly.
 
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Ask coastdawgbreezelover. He's Stansbury's biggest fan and even he says that some of Stansbury's friends are withholding donations. Which they have every right to do. It's their money and they're not obligated to give a dime of it. But there's no question that if they or Stansbury wanted to see MSU basketball succeed, they wouldn't have cut off their donations.

I was a huge Stansbury fan even up to the end when I knew that we had to replace him for the good of the program. But I think he's done some damage to his ultimate legacy since the press conference where he announced his "retirement."
 
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dawgstudent said:
I don't think he is saying it's at the request of Stansbury. I think he is saying the boosters loved Stansbury so much that they just won't support Ray. They loved Stansbury more than MSU if I am reading that correctly.
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"at the urging of Rick Stansbury"

That is the part I was looking at in Engie's post. I don't know how else to interpret that. I know that there are some who don't like the hire and aren't giving what they used to, but that is a completely thing from doing so "at the urging of Rick Stansbury."
 
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Like I said to DS, I know that there are some who don't like the hire and aren't giving what they used to, but that is a completely thing from doing so "at the urging of Rick Stansbury."
 
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Gotcha. That is what I took from this part of Original48's post:

"But I'm afraid he has been and possibly continues to do things behind the scenes to undermine the program with boosters close to him"
 
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I think

it's pretty obvious (as someone pointed below, w Dawg-geezer) that certain donors are withholding funds, because of Stansbury being fired (he was their friend), but I just find it ridiculous (without any evidence, and on speculation) that Stansbury is (in some people's mind) calling these donors and telling them to withhold any contributions. That's pretty low and would never be excusable. Stansbury would have to be a complete idiot to do that, and I don't think that is the case. Also, as DS stated, he just left the job. He's probably looking forward to taking a break from it all.

On a side note, Ray has beaten the guy that many on here mentioned that they wanted as the coach (2x) with a bunch of scrubs. If he can manage to get the talent level up, he is going to produce some tough teams. I hope he can do it, because recruiting is the name of the game.
 
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I don't think Stansbury has to verbally urge anyone to stop donating money for them to stop donating money. Lets put it this way, he's not a friend of MSU right now. Do i think he badmouths the basketball program and the athletic department? Absolutely. Do i think he urges people not to contribute to the program? I dont know, but as i said in the first sentence, i dont think he has to. Am i tired of asking myself questions? Yes. But, good gosh, Stansbury didn't even attend the former players and coaches reunion at the Hump a couple of weeks ago. His actions speak all they need to to those closest to him.
 
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Original48 said:
I don't think Stansbury has to verbally urge anyone to stop donating money for them to stop donating money. Lets put it this way, he's not a friend of MSU right now. Do i think he badmouths the basketball program and the athletic department? Absolutely. Do i think he urges people not to contribute to the program? I dont know, but as i said in the first sentence, i dont think he has to. Am i tired of asking myself questions? Yes. But, good gosh, Stansbury didn't even attend the former players and coaches reunion at the Hump a couple of weeks ago. His actions speak all they need to to those closest to him.
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I see what you mean, but I do think coming back for a reunion this year would have been really awkward and somewhat inappropriate. He is extremely polarizing right now. It's Ray's show, and Stans is giving him the space he needs.
 
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patdog said:
I was a huge Stansbury fan even up to the end when I knew that we had to replace him for the good of the program. But I think he's done some damage to his ultimate legacy since the press conference where he announced his "retirement."
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I think all will be forgiven/forgotten quickly, to the extent there is anything to forgive/forget, unless it really comes out that Stansbury was actively working to get his supporters to withhold support from MSU (which I doubt has happened). I'm sure Stansbury could have made it easier on Ray by personally asking his friends/supporters to give as much support to Ray as they provided to Stansbury and to try to act as a bridge to keep those relationships strong, but that's asking a lot of the guy. He was basically fired from the job that he held for 14(?) years for not meeting the expectations that he helped establish. Stansbury was certainly treated fairly, but even so, it's perfectly natural (and fair) for him to not want to immediately put his heart and sould into making things easy for the people that fired him and the guy that replaced him.
 
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Yes, he is extremely polarizing right now. And a lot of that has to do with the way he has handled things after his "retirement."
 
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dawgstudent said:
We didn't see Sherrill until Mullen was hired.
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Thats because when Jackie offered to help Crooms because he loved State and alsobecause of their Alabama connection, Crooms told him he didnt need his help or anything from him.

Jackie offered help, Stansbury has not
 
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If alumni are withholding donations to the University simply because Rick Stansbury urged them not to, then we have some douche bag ******* alumni.
 
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Original48 said:
I don't think Stansbury has to verbally urge anyone to stop donating money for them to stop donating money. Lets put it this way, he's not a friend of MSU right now. Do i think he badmouths the basketball program and the athletic department? Absolutely..
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THIS

It's being done in a roundabout way.

But even though we have some big boosters stepping back- we've had others wanting to step in- like the 500K donation to overhaul the lockerroom in the Hump. Those are the types of things that arent part of the basketball budget that get done anyway. It's good to see other people stepping up and take the place of those pouting currently.
 
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I see what you mean, but I do think coming back for a reunion this year would have been really awkward and somewhat inappropriate.
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I dont see how a ceremony at halftime to honor people would have been inappropriate for Stansbury to attend at all. I think it's a direct slap in the face that he didnt attend. His lack of appearance is viewed by people I know as way more polarizing
 
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If alumni are withholding donations to the University simply because Rick Stansbury urged them not to, then we have some douche bag ******* alumni.
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All these accusations are so much drivel without names, phone and/or e-mail messages, photos, etc. Have lived in Starkville for a long time and have never heard any of these so-called facts about Rick Stansbury in a serious conversation.
 
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I don't think folks aren't contributing, some just bought fewer premium seats

I also have never heard Stansbury say one bad word about Rick Ray. He took the deal presented to him and it is what it is. I know I still contribute and yes I didn't go to the SEC tourney this year for the first time in 10 years, but I think it is quite obvious we won't win it. I find it amusing that the folks who blasted Stans' so-called mediocrity like coach 34 give very little , if anything to the program. I find it appalling to say folks like me supported a coach more than MSU. That is more of folks saying what they want other folks to hear than being accurate. If I didn't love MSU I certainly wouldn't have talked repeatedly to Johnathan Holder's family and Myles Gentry's family about why MSU was the best place for them. I have never talked to Rick Ray, have never been approached by him or anybody on his staff to help them. Does that make me bad? I think if Rick Ray is to succeed he will have to do the same thing Stansbury did, and that is build relationships with fans, alumni, and high school coaches. All these accusations about Stans undermining the program is ********. He has simply stayed out of sight for the benefit of the new coach. Some of you are so sick you just can't leave this alone. Rick Ray will succeed if Rick Ray recruits, coaches, and wins. It is that simple, but I will await to see if this board judges him the same way they did Stans. He has already won more than I thought he could this year so I have to give him a thumbs up but one season doesn't make a coach one way or another as 4 years from now we ought to know if Scott made the right choice.



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Ask coastdawgbreezelover. He's Stansbury's biggest fan and even he says that some of Stansbury's friends are withholding donations. Which they have every right to do. It's their money and they're not obligated to give a dime of it. But there's no question that if they or Stansbury wanted to see MSU basketball succeed, they wouldn't have cut off their donations.

I was a huge Stansbury fan even up to the end when I knew that we had to replace him for the good of the program. But I think he's done some damage to his ultimate legacy since the press conference where he announced his "retirement."
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I dont see how a ceremony at halftime to honor people would have been inappropriate for Stansbury to attend at all. I think it's a direct slap in the face that he didnt attend. His lack of appearance is viewed by people I know as way more polarizing
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And if he had shown up... you would have been in here posting WTF????!?!?!?

You are comical when it comes to Stansbury.
 
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Surely, when he fired Stansbury, Strickland didn't expect him to help transition Ray and continue raising money from the donors he'd cultivated. This seems like a silly criticism to me, even if the facts are true.
 
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So much space, that he won't even return Ray's repeated phone calls...

Faustdog said:
I see what you mean, but I do think coming back for a reunion this year would have been really awkward and somewhat inappropriate. He is extremely polarizing right now. It's Ray's show, and Stans is giving him the space he needs.
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It's not Ray's fault that Stans is not the coach anymore. It's just ****** not to even make one phone call.
That's just a common courtesy..
 
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IBleedMaroonDawg said:
And if he had shown up... you would have been in here posting WTF?!?!?!?

You are comical when it comes to Stansbury.
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Not at all- it makes perfect sense that when teams and players are honored- the coach would be there. I just speak the truth- and too many of you have problems with that
 
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I also have never heard Stansbury say one bad word about Rick Ray. He took the deal presented to him and it is what it is. I know I still contribute and yes I didn't go to the SEC tourney this year for the first time in 10 years, but I think it is quite obvious we won't win it. I find it amusing that the folks who blasted Stans' so-called mediocrity like coach 34 give very little , if anything to the program. I find it appalling to say folks like me supported a coach more than MSU. That is more of folks saying what they want other folks to hear than being accurate. If I didn't love MSU I certainly wouldn't have talked repeatedly to Johnathan Holder's family and Myles Gentry's family about why MSU was the best place for them. I have never talked to Rick Ray, have never been approached by him or anybody on his staff to help them. Does that make me bad? I think if Rick Ray is to succeed he will have to do the same thing Stansbury did, and that is build relationships with fans, alumni, and high school coaches. All these accusations about Stans undermining the program is ********. He has simply stayed out of sight for the benefit of the new coach. Some of you are so sick you just can't leave this alone. Rick Ray will succeed if Rick Ray recruits, coaches, and wins. It is that simple, but I will await to see if this board judges him the same way they did Stans. He has already won more than I thought he could this year so I have to give him a thumbs up but one season doesn't make a coach one way or another as 4 years from now we ought to know if Scott made the right choice.
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If Bracky sees this, baseball will get the death penalty.
 
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