Using your moronic reasoning, if some booster withheld money at the end of Stans tenure because they wanted a coaching change, they would be putting their hatred of Stans above the program, right?
Stans/Ray thread, my take
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No way Dawgbreeze wrote this. Almost everything is spelled right and in complete sentences.
The refusal to help at all -- and the badmouthing behind the scenes to people that trust him and put him on a higher pedestal than our program overall -- defines what I'm talking about. He doesn't have to tell them "don't give money to MSU" -- he just has to talk down the program and administration to accomplish the same basic goal -- exactly like Ron Polk did.
His actions either help or hurt our program period -- there is no in between -- What has he done to help? Meanwhile we're doing him a favor and allowing him to stay 2 more years and get his full MS pension for insane money.
Isn't it obvious why Stans wasn't at the reunion? He and this cabal of boosters that no one will name were holed up plotting the demise of Mississippi State basketball that day.
You are full of factual ******** too fish because you have no clue if Ray has called Stans and if so, how many times. I don't think he has called him at all because he has gone out of his way to distance himself from Stans. That is his perogative, but quit posting crap you have no source to validate it.
Ok. So in your original post, where you said:
You really were just saying that he isn't actively supporting the program, and not that he is urging people to withhold support. Got it.
20 years from now someone will casually bring up college basketball in a
conversation around Coach and he will immediately crank up a rant of how a 20+ a year career coach was a douchebag.
conversation around Coach and he will immediately crank up a rant of how a 20+ a year career coach was a douchebag.
Cowardly post.
In the same vein makin stuff up about yo mamma and posting on the interweb without proof. Post the evidence or shut up. New low
In the same vein makin stuff up about yo mamma and posting on the interweb without proof. Post the evidence or shut up. New low
I was one of those who didn't want Rick fired! I know Rick well as a coach and a friend. Rick would not and has never done anything to undermine Rick Ray or Mississippi State. That being said, I was wrong in my assesment of the Rick Ray hire. I have admired what coach Ray has done this year. He has made a believer out of me. Now, he just has to recruit well as Rick Stansbury did and Mississippi State Basketball will be in for a fun ride! I will keep my season tickets and be there!
It's funny how so many people around here believe the old saying "where there is smoke- there is fire"....you have had a bunch of posters during this basketball season say the same thing. It's not just one poster saying it. But because it's about Stansbury- some of you Apologists want people to name actual names of people- that's ********. You dont do that. We've never called out names of boosters on here
I cant speak for the others, but I'm not about to call out people that have given 6 figures to the University over the years just because they are being a little crybabyish right now and pouting.
This entire thread shows a general lack of understanding of how you raise money. If you make a change without discussing it with, or obtaining the approval of, the big money boosters, you run the risk of losing their support, at least temporarily. That is the price of doing business and you can't blame the outgoing coach for it because its not his job to raise money from these people anymore. This is why AD's do not normally fire coaches who still have the support of most major supporters. If we are going to raise any more money from these people, then someone else is going to have to create and cultivate the relationship.
So, what are we paying him to do right now at MSU?
You can't really expect anyone to start naming boosters on here that have withheld money. That's ridiculous. These are the people that MSU will rely on going forward just like we have in the past -- you don't intentionally burn those bridges any worse than they already are.
This is almost as ridiculous as claiming that Stans ran a completely clean program and using the fact that no one will name heppers as evidence...
You're the one that went on a message board and claimed that Stansbury is urging people to not support MSU. If you are going to make that kind of claim, you should be prepared to back it up. Is he calling them on the phone? Are they having clandestine meetings to discuss their nefarious plans?
We know Ron Polk was doing it because he told us in the Clarion Ledger he was doing it.
I pretty much have favorable feelings about anyone ever associated with MSU, so I tend to be sad more than anything when we change coaches in any sport.
But I think we're being silly in this tread. When part of what causes the coaching change is a sense that the program is out of control, which was the case with both Jackie and Stansbury, the new coach can't really involve the old coach that much. Let's be honest about that. I suspect it was made very clear to Stansbury that he needed to distance himself from the program for a while. And made clear to Ray that he needed to clean stuff up.
And I'll also say, and this is complete conjecture, that Rick Ray doesn't seem like the kind of guy to repeatedly call anyone for help. That part just seem silly.
But I think we're being silly in this tread. When part of what causes the coaching change is a sense that the program is out of control, which was the case with both Jackie and Stansbury, the new coach can't really involve the old coach that much. Let's be honest about that. I suspect it was made very clear to Stansbury that he needed to distance himself from the program for a while. And made clear to Ray that he needed to clean stuff up.
And I'll also say, and this is complete conjecture, that Rick Ray doesn't seem like the kind of guy to repeatedly call anyone for help. That part just seem silly.
Is it maybe possible
that SOME boosters are withholding money because of Stansbury and that SOME are not giving money because they were maybe skeptical of Ray but are going to give it once Ray proves that he is a good coach- which he is doing now?
I personally think that's what is going on.
that SOME boosters are withholding money because of Stansbury and that SOME are not giving money because they were maybe skeptical of Ray but are going to give it once Ray proves that he is a good coach- which he is doing now?
I personally think that's what is going on.
He's being paid to get "retired." You don't really think Strickland wants him around the donors, do you?
It really is amazing how naive some of these people are. Its as if they have no clue how the real world words. Severance packages are intended to sever people - that's why they call them severance packages. They aren't intended to keep a guy around that you don't want around.
Do these clowns think that Bob Knight is spending all of his free time hanging out with Tom Crean?Anybody want to take a stab at how often John Brady drops by the LSU complex? What about Mark Gottfried? How loyal is he to his alma mater?
There is a group of people who are so determined to convince somebody that they were right about Stansbury, that they will stoop to nonsense to do it.