Stans works in mysterious ways...........

[futaba.79]

so I'll give up trying to figure out why he does what he does. There's no doubt that the guy can coach - sweet 16 be damned. He's managed to turn Little Phil into one of our tougher players, for crying out loud. His bizarre substitution patterns actually pay off.

His teams play hard. They win. For the life of me, I'll never understand why some ***** about the most successful coach we've got.

 

[futaba.79]

so I'll give up trying to figure out why he does what he does. There's no doubt that the guy can coach - sweet 16 be damned. He's managed to turn Little Phil into one of our tougher players, for crying out loud. His bizarre substitution patterns actually pay off.

His teams play hard. They win. For the life of me, I'll never understand why some ***** about the most successful coach we've got.

 

[HD6]

we assumed complete control of the game 3 minutes into the second half after a terribly sloppy first proves your point.

 

[cowbell9]

...WE STILL SMOKED THAT BAMA ***!!!!!

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I mean if something can be definitively <span style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">proven</span> by the Bama game, then surely two non-conference games can prove something too.

Hint: None of them prove a thing. They are all part of the ebb and flow of a season.

 

[josebrown]

Either Stans worked the magic or he let the shrink have at them. Either way you gotta give him credit. He said we didn't play loose or free-minded in the first half, but they gave Bama hell in the second.

 

[BriantheDawg]

but whatever.

 

[Keyser Soze.sixpack]

I had that painting hanging in my apt on holtsinger in 2000

 

[josebrown]

Not addressing what can be proven either way, but Randy was 1-13 from downtown in those two games and since then is 13-20. There are quite a few things that are different since those two games. Sometime between those two losses is when Stans went small and gave Turner quite a bit more PT, Augustus hits the bench, Bost meets a psych...

I would say the team became what it is instead of what Stans thought it should be sometime between those two losses and everyone is stepping up and filling their roles.

 

[patdog]

<span class="post-title">...or we could actually be getting better as the season progresses..</span>but whatever.

Rick Stansbury teams always get better as the season progresses. Always.

 

[bulldogbaja]

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think the guy is either genious, or coaches with his eyes closed. Like pulling Barry for Riley Benock for the last 45 secs. of the first half.

 

[dawgstudent]

into a decent defender. Benock played perfectly tonight - decent D, hit some 3's and didn't do anything to hurt us. I like him.

 

[DawgTilDead]

When we started slowing things down with 4 minutes left. I know you should run time off the clock, but we seemed to wait til the last second and not have a good look, and on top of that we kept missing free throws! Thankfully offensive rebounds and hustle bailed us out. We can afford to do that against bammer, but may not be so lucky down the road.
I have to say that we got some quality minutes out of the bench in the 2nd half. This team looks like the Hornets compared to how they looked in Jackson over the break. It's really night and day.

 

[Bulldog Backer]

When we started slowing things down with 4 minutes left. I know you should run time off the clock, but we seemed to wait til the last second and not have a good look, and on top of that we kept missing free throws! Thankfully offensive rebounds and hustle bailed us out. We can afford to do that against bammer, but may not be so lucky down the road.
I have to say that we got some quality minutes out of the bench in the 2nd half. This team looks like the Hornets compared to how they looked in Jackson over the break. It's really night and day.

...I don't agree with running time off the clock as long as you are increasing your lead. I mean if Bama was cutting into our lead, then I can see doing that, but we were running Bama out of the gym...and then we slow it down. It threw the team out of synch. I just hate that! It gives me apoplexy.

 

[Shmuley]

the Ninja. With Hezekiah Ninja and Methuselah Ninja alongside.

 

[cowbell9]

nm

 

[patdog]

Keep doing what got you the lead in the first place. Because, as you say, if you keep waiting until there are 10 seconds on the shot clock, you're going to take a lot of bad shots. I'm OK with starting to look for your shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, but I don't like running it down any further than that before you start running your offense.

 

[HD6]

so you and your new BFF KB34 can't rail on Stansbury, but you see, that's what well coached teams do. They make the right adjustments in the locker room, and come on shooting and defending better than they did in the first half.

Considering in the two games you listed, Stansbury was making wholesale substitutions, which he stopped doing about 4 wins ago, I don't think they prove any point of yours.

 

[yazoo dog]

It was a BAD coaching decision.

 

[tenureplan]

I think Stans uses the non-conference slate to tinker with things and try to find out what will work and what won't. Regardless of the team, we rarely have a great non-conference record.
I was really impressed with the first half in that we were only down by 3 despite how bad we were shooting. I called a loss on this one thinking we would have a letdown. For the first 20 minutes, it looked that way. I'm glad I was wrong.

 

[bonedaddy401]

it is a losing argument any way you slice it. Stans is a good coach. He dominates the state in recruiting and puts a team on the floor that 10,000+ people come to see mid-week. What more can you ask for? Sweet 16 yaw yaw yaw....give this team time. If they all stick together next year look out.

 

[8dog]

"I think Stans uses the non-conference slate to tinker with things and try to find out what will work and what won't. Regardless of the team, we rarely have a great non-conference record."

and you can't do that. this team has the chance to be one of the 4 best in the conference at year end and screwing around in the pre conf may keep us from the Dance. 14 games to go so lots of work to do but you cannot excuse poor non conf play b/c someone is experimenting.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I'm not railing on Stansbury but nice try. I have said many times before he is one of my favorite coaches of all time at State, but to say that last night's game proves something about him is as preposterous as saying the SD and Charlotte games proved anything. Neither of them prove anything in and of themselves. I also didn't realize you could coach players into shooting better at halftime. I wish he had done that against Charlotte and San Diego. And you need to examine the boxscore a little closer if you think we were making "wholesale substitutions" in those games as compared to last night and Arkansas.

That being said, I expect to go to 3-0 this weekend against Vandy. Jarvis and Bailey have to keep Ogilviy in check. Beal is solid, and Tinsley and Taylor look like keepers as freshmen. There is always the RAT to fear though.......

 

[MSUCostanza]

I guess you think we should use conference games to determine what our best lineup is? I mean, what's he supposed to do? He's got a lot of new pieces to the puzzle. He has to use game conditions to determine what our best lineup is going to be. It's unfortunate that it cost us a few games, yes. But you don't learn anything from tinkering with lineups against Alabama A&M. We could run anyone out there and win by double digits. The only way to do it is to try different lineups against teams with more comparable talent.

It still amazes me that Jackie Sherrill got us on probation twice, went 2-4 in bowl games and finished with a .500 record and was almost a freaking deity, but Rick Stansbury can't do a goddamn thing right in some people's eyes.

 

[hatfieldms]

I guess you think we should use conference games to determine what our best lineup is? I mean, what's he supposed to do? He's got a lot of new pieces to the puzzle. He has to use game conditions to determine what our best lineup is going to be. It's unfortunate that it cost us a few games, yes. But you don't learn anything from tinkering with lineups against Alabama A&M. We could run anyone out there and win by double digits. The only way to do it is to try different lineups against teams with more comparable talent.

It still amazes me that Jackie Sherrill got us on probation twice, went 2-4 in bowl games and finished with a .500 record and was almost a freaking deity, but Rick Stansbury can't do a goddamn thing right in some people's eyes.

There is no place for common sense on this board. You should know that by now

 

[8dog]

beat Charlotte and San Diego is really being hard on him.

I don't care if he's tinkering or not tinkering. You need to win those games.

One of those is a bad loss to the committee. And we haven't even played a Top 50 RPI team, much less beaten one. So those losses are critical.

 

[bonedaddy401]

We won our SEC opener on the road in a hostile environment and then turned around and beat Bama at home in a game that had let down written all over it. Stans has done this with a team that has no Roberts, Austin, Rhodes or Gordon and is one of the most inexperienced teams he has ever coached.

BECAUSE of the loses to San Diego and Charlotte these two wins prove a lot about Stans and this team. The most obvious thing that it proves is that this team will play through adversity and that Stans has helped this team find the identity it needs so badly.

So to steal a line of yours........nice try.

 

[bulliegolfer]

and the Stan haters will not change their opinion. Might as well let it go.......

 

[dawgstudent]

you can't count the North Alabama win so we are really 11-5. If we could have won those 2 games, we would have been sitting pretty. We really have no wiggle room in the SEC. We have to be at least 10-6.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

ok...i'm decent friends with a guy that played for Rick in the late 90s. He liked the guy, but said he wasn't a very good coach. He said that at the end of games when they were within a basket or so and needed a big play to win the game, stans would just get the deer in the headlights look. i think it's obvious that he wasn't ready to be HC when he was thrust into the way he was. HOWEVER....what is also obvious is that he has always loved MSU, always been a good guy, and always been a HELL of a recruiter. I also think it's obvious that as time has gone by, he's gotten better as an X's and O's guy. Is he a Mike Kryshciveiwessfiekki (no clue)....no way. But he's actually a pretty solid coach. He still recruits like mad, and he still loves MSU. And he wins a lot of freaking games. What more do you want?! Yeah, we got bumped early in the tournament 3 times...two of them, we got absolutely hosed. Playing Texas in Texas was retarded...not his fault. NOBODY would have beaten Xavier that night...they had just beaten a final 4 quality team by 30+....unlucky for us. Butler was a bad match-up, but feel free to blame that one on him. But still...look at what we've got. A coach that will stay as long as we let him who is still getting better who recruits well and who virtually gaurantees a winning season every year. We aren't Duke, UNC, or even KY. let's quit pretending we are and just be glad he stays here. With his track record, he could "upgrade" whenever he got ready. Quit bitching about a guy that may eventually have an athletic facility named after him. You'll be the first ones bitching when he leaves and we start sucking.</p>

 

[DerHntr]

Quit bitching

DS will come down on you like a 220 pound 10 year old on a piece of cake if you influence people to stop bitching. This board THRIVES on bitching. Go elsewhere to the land of milk and honey if you don't want to see bitching.

 

[bulliegolfer]

Quit bitching

DS will come down on you like a 220 pound 10 year old on a piece of cake if you influence people to stop bitching. This board THRIVES on bitching. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Go elsewhere to the land of milk and honey if you don't want to see bitching</span>.

I think even Jack gave up on the land of milk and honey.

 

[dawgstudent]

just when the season started and we were 9-5, people were thinking a NCAA Tourney bid was highly unlikely. So that would mean 3 out of the past 4 seasons no NCAA. I think we were all discussing if 2009-2010 season would be do or die if he didn't make it. I think we should go in another direction if we didn't make the tournament that season.

 

[fishwater99]

patdog wrote: _________________________________________________

BriantheDawg wrote: _________________________________________________ <span class="post-title">...or we could actually be getting better as the season progresses..</span>but whatever.

Rick Stansbury teams always get better as the "SEC" season progresses. Always.

I fixed it for you, Ricky is a good coach in the SEC, he has problems with other teams for some reason.
Look at his tourney record, he can't get past the second round. Why?
Is it the short turn-around between games and the fact that he has to game plan for two teams.
Ricky sucks in non-conference games.. Why?
Is it because he can't scout teams he knows nothing about? Is it the assistant coaches job to do that?

This team is going to live and die by the 3-point shot, the last four games have been great... Time will tell..

 

[hdghdawg]

That "Stansbury can't scout teams without plenty of time" party line was loud during his glory years, '02-'05, especially in March.

 

[MrHooch]

It was a BAD coaching decision.

they are not. I like backer and all, but he's wrong about this one. regardless of the size of your lead, if you are leading the game late in the second half (read two minutes or so left) then controlling the clock is a legitimate strategy. however there are other things that matter at that point as well, like making sure you get 'good looks' when you finally set a play in motion with less than 10 seconds on the clock. We didn't execute that part of the plan very well last night, but the fact remains it's a good strategy.

 

[patdog]

they are not. I like backer and all, but he's wrong about this one. regardless of the size of your lead, if you are leading the game late in the second half (read two minutes or so left) then controlling the clock is a legitimate strategy. however there are other things that matter at that point as well, like making sure you get 'good looks' when you finally set a play in motion with less than 10 seconds on the clock. We didn't execute that part of the plan very well last night, but the fact remains it's a good strategy.

When you wait until 10 seconds on the shot clock to set a play in motion, you will take a lot of bad shots. Not every play is going to work like it's designed. In a normal possession when you run a play and the defense shuts it down, you still have time to either run another set play or improvise. When you wait until 10 seconds are left to start, if the defense shuts it down you have to force a bad shot. I'm not saying you shouldn't slow the game down at all. Just that you can't sacrifice good possessions to do it. Start running your offense with 20 seconds left and you're still running time off the clock, while not depending totally on one play working on each possession.

 

[fishwater99]

Can only coach against familiar SEC teams and win.

 

[DawgMedic]

4suredawg and myself were discussing the same thing. We came to the conclusion that we could start to run plays with about 15 seconds on the clock. There should be plenty of time to get at least three looks at the basket within that amount of time. One of those looks should be a good one. Sure you won't get that every time, but you've taken a little more time off the clock.