Starting Lineup Next Year..

[chov1125]

The players who could transfer, may really develop if they got to play more. They could conceivably be really good 4 year players like a Scheyer or Smith. Players that championship teams need. It's the OAD debate I guess. Play 5 star freshmen or develop 4/5 star 3-4 year players.

I don’t disagree that we need a healthy blend of one and done and veteran play. But I think many on here think there is some formula to success that is predictable and sustainable. Do we stop offering people? Do we force Tre Jones or Frank Jackson to return? The amount of people that are leaving after 1 year is going through the roof. And our recruiting has been hotter than any program in history.

Should we be playing more people earlier in the year, arguably yes. But again look at the guys who got a lot of consistent playing time this year, Ques, Javin, Jack. Were they noticeably better at the end of the year as compared to the beginning of the year? Playing time doesn’t necessarily equate to development. Look at the guys who left Duke recently, Jordan Tucker and Derryck Thornton. They are role players at most.

I am ready for the one and done system to be over as well. It’s too unpredictable. But I don’t criticize our coach for being really good at recruiting and then playing the best talent. Small tweaks here or there to playing time, but not nearly the radical changes that most on here want.

 

[chov1125]

Develop them and keep an influx of new talent like them and you would be racking up the final fours. It would hurt for maybe a year or two but after that you’re golden

It is not nearly as black and white as this.

 

[pisgah101]

It is not nearly as black and white as this.

It’s not? Seems to work for a lot of teams

 

[youknowit1]

Revised
1.boogie/goldwire
2. Moore/aoc
3. Baker/white
4. Hurt/jrob
5. Carey/jav
First day of practice the underclassmen are the starters and see if the 5 freshman cant beat them out for the starting position. Yes I'm counting baker as a freshman.

 

[dukiejay]

It’s not? Seems to work for a lot of teams

What teams are 'racking' up Final Fours?

Don't get me wrong....Duke has had the most talent, so the lack of elite tournament success has been frustrating. But just this year, for example, you have two teams in the Final Four for the first time ever, another coming off a 34-year absence, and the last one playing in its sixth this century (which is really, really good). Even the teams with the most recent tournament successes like Villanova and UNC haven't been regular Final Four teams. UNC twice in a decade and Villanova has made it out of the first weekend just twice, albeit with two titles....the same as us.

 

[pisgah101]

What teams are 'racking' up Final Fours?

Don't get me wrong....Duke has had the most talent, so the lack of elite tournament success has been frustrating. But just this year, for example, you have two teams in the Final Four for the first time ever, another coming off a 34-year absence, and the last one playing in its sixth this century (which is really, really good). Even the teams with the most recent tournament successes like Villanova and UNC haven't been regular Final Four teams. UNC twice in a decade and Villanova has made it out of the first weekend just twice, albeit with two titles....the same as us.

But every year it’s the same type of team is my point. With the “goat” if he had a steady influx we should in theory be there on the regular. This year like every year a team with that makeup work win it

 

[Showenuff]

Sad group right here if you think we won't be good next season. We will. No, we won't ever have another Zion, but to wave off on THIS incoming class, silly.

 

[topps coach]

I don’t disagree that we need a healthy blend of one and done and veteran play. But I think many on here think there is some formula to success that is predictable and sustainable. Do we stop offering people? Do we force Tre Jones or Frank Jackson to return? The amount of people that are leaving after 1 year is going through the roof. And our recruiting has been hotter than any program in history.

Should we be playing more people earlier in the year, arguably yes. But again look at the guys who got a lot of consistent playing time this year, Ques, Javin, Jack. Were they noticeably better at the end of the year as compared to the beginning of the year? Playing time doesn’t necessarily equate to development. Look at the guys who left Duke recently, Jordan Tucker and Derryck Thornton. They are role players at most.

I am ready for the one and done system to be over as well. It’s too unpredictable. But I don’t criticize our coach for being really good at recruiting and then playing the best talent. Small tweaks here or there to playing time, but not nearly the radical changes that most on here want.

Absolutely great post

 

[Jacket4]

PG Hampton OR Lewis ( assuming Jones leaves we will probably get one or the other)
SG AOC (good shooter and atheletic)
SF Moore
PF Carey
C Bolden
Bench
JAV ( 6th starter sharing the C spot with Bolden)
Baker (could see him starting at some point)
Ellis
White
Goldwire
J Rob

Would like to have Hurt too, but I doubt he wants to come to Duke and come off the bench. But who knows recruiting is so unpredictable at times. This is still a top 5 line up in terms of talent and experience. Mattet of fact this team will have more experience then our current team. If AOC can work on his defensive footwork and awareness then that kid could emerge as a star next year.

Boogie is a telented kid that's going to play with a chip on his shoulder. I think we will both love and be extremely frustrated with him at times. He is an undersized 2 gaurd and could beat out out AOC at that spot but as of now I believe it's AOC's to lose.

 

[dukiejay]

But every year it’s the same type of team is my point. With the “goat” if he had a steady influx we should in theory be there on the regular. This year like every year a team with that makeup work win it

I get that. But what I'm saying is that there's really only one other team like Duke....that's UK. I mean, if one of them makes the Final Four, it still means 75% are like what you're describing. It's not as if this is a 50/50 ratio.

If we assume Bolden is back next year, it will be the most experience we've returned in a while....including 2015. And I know we all love Quinn here, but a lot of posters didn't love him after 2014. In fact, there were threads hoping he would transfer. Guys like Jack, Alex, Javin, Bolden (if he stays) and JGold will be juniors and seniors next season and get to try and take on that role. Four of those five all played in 35+ games this past season and averaged over 14 minutes per game.

 

[pisgah101]

I get that. But what I'm saying is that there's really only one other team like Duke....that's UK. I mean, if one of them makes the Final Four, it still means 75% are like what you're describing. It's not as if this is a 50/50 ratio.

If we assume Bolden is back next year, it will be the most experience we've returned in a while....including 2015. And I know we all love Quinn here, but a lot of posters didn't love him after 2014. In fact, there were threads hoping he would transfer. Guys like Jack, Alex, Javin, Bolden (if he stays) and JGold will be juniors and seniors next season and get to try and take on that role. Four of those five all played in 35+ games this past season and averaged over 14 minutes per game.

I agree but with the overwhelming talent weve had and UK too it’s been an epic failure in terms of final fours.

 

[Hurley22]

We have been a centimeter away and a stop away from going to back-to-back final fours. I know that's not the same thing as going...... Horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that stuff, but a half-roll of the ball and if we don't miscommunicate on a switch all these conversations are much different. Maybe that makes it hurt even worse.

 

[pisgah101]

We have been a centimeter away and a stop away from going to back-to-back final fours. I know that's not the same thing as going...... Horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that stuff, but a half-roll of the ball and if we don't miscommunicate on a switch all these conversations are much different. Maybe that makes it hurt even worse.

Or more

 

[tp394]

I would not be surprised one bit if aoc transferred before next year or during the season next year. He’s a guy who would be starting at most programs but at duke he can barely sniff the court when we’re fully healthy. He’s not great defensively but he can shoot. I think this year he had problem getting in rhythm becuase he played so little.

 

[pisgah101]

I would not be surprised one bit if aoc transferred before next year or during the season next year. He’s a guy who would be starting at most programs but at duke he can barely sniff the court when we’re fully healthy. He’s not great defensively but he can shoot. I think this year he had problem getting in rhythm becuase he played so little.

That’s one

 

[Mr.Scary13]

I just hope the team can shoot the ball, rebound pretty well, play a little defense, and run some resemblance of an offense. Do all that and see what happens.

 

[tp394]

Sad group right here if you think we won't be good next season. We will. No, we won't ever have another Zion, but to wave off on THIS incoming class, silly.

Exactly. People might think I’m crazy but i think next year we might have a better overall team. I think we’ll have a good mix of young and veteran players and we’ll have better shooting. I think next years overall team and how it’s built may be better if the depth is used properly.

 

[pisgah101]

Exactly. People might think I’m crazy but i think next year we might have a better overall team. I think we’ll have a good mix of young and veteran players and we’ll have better shooting. I think next years overall team and how it’s built may be better if the depth is used properly.

If we roll out more than 2 starters capable of scoring we will be a better “team”

 

[tp394]

If we roll out more than 2 starters capable of scoring we will be a better “team”

Yeah exactly. I think this year we might’ve had more firepower but to say next years team is gonna be rough for sure is incorrect. It could be but i just don’t see how anyone can say that yet.

 

[tp394]

I’ll be surprised if we don’t get one or two before the season

When you say this do you mean we add some transfers or lose some players? I’m guessing lose players to transferring but i could also see us adding a player from the transfer market.

 

[pisgah101]

When you say this do you mean we add some transfers or lose some players? I’m guessing lose players to transferring but i could also see us adding a player from the transfer market.

I mean lose. I’d love to get a grad transfer or two though

 

[KoubekFF]

I mean lose. I’d love to get a grad transfer or two though

How about Aubrey Dawkins and Miye Oni of Yale? Looks like Oni is testing the Draft waters, but he hasn't signed w an agent yet. If Oni is on track to graduate in three years, he could improve his Draft stock for 2020 by transferring to Duke.

PG: R.J. Hampton
SG: Oni
SF: Dawkins
PF: Carey
C: Bolden

Bench: Moore, Javin, Baker, Goldwire, AOC... that's not a bad lineup

 

[DukeRulesBasketball]

How about Aubrey Dawkins and Miye Oni of Yale? Looks like Oni is testing the Draft waters, but he hasn't signed w an agent yet. If Oni is on track to graduate in three years, he could improve his Draft stock for 2020 by transferring to Duke.

PG: R.J. Hampton
SG: Oni
SF: Dawkins
PF: Carey
C: Bolden

Bench: Moore, Javin, Baker, Goldwire, AOC... that's not a bad lineup

U seem sure that those two guys are coming to Duke. Inside info? I would love to have those two especially Johnny’s kid.

 

[denverexpat]

I would not be surprised one bit if aoc transferred before next year or during the season next year. He’s a guy who would be starting at most programs but at duke he can barely sniff the court when we’re fully healthy. He’s not great defensively but he can shoot. I think this year he had problem getting in rhythm becuase he played so little.

Not a popular view among the Magi of Devils illustrated

 

[pisgah101]

Not a popular view among the Magi of Devils illustrated

True tho

 

[KoubekFF]

U seem sure that those two guys are coming to Duke. Inside info? I would love to have those two especially Johnny’s kid.

Don't have inside info just think that the Duke staff should hit the transfer market hard over the next few weeks. With Yale's academic pedigree, Oni should have no problem getting into Duke if he's looking to transfer to a major program. There's probably a list of a handful of players of Dawkins and Reid Travis' caliber that Duke should consider if they become available. Next year feels like one of those seasons that Duke would benefit greatly from adding a player such as Dahntay Jones or Seth Curry.

 

[chov1125]

But every year it’s the same type of team is my point. With the “goat” if he had a steady influx we should in theory be there on the regular. This year like every year a team with that makeup work win it

Yes but again it is not as simple as stop recruiting one and dones and start recruiting “long term” players. Where do you draw the line? I’m sure nobody expected White to be one and done and yet look how that turned out. Let’s take it a step further. When White declares where does UNC turn next year? They are going to have a huge hole that they likely couldn’t predict. Point being there’s no way to know who will stay anymore, the amount of players leaving seems to be constantly increasing. Do you stop recruiting top 20? Top 30? Eventually you may land all 4 year players and we will be Notre Dame (just an example). The one and done system is making it impossible on college coaches to have long term plans for their program, it is year to year. And K’s success on the recruiting trail has only created more problems with players leaving and players transferring. Going back to my Carolina example I believe they got very lucky and landed a crop of players at the perfect time to make their recent runs. They had a lot of players all develop at the same time and none so quickly that they jumped early. That is the exception not the rule anymore. We’ll see how they handle losing a player or 2 they didn’t expect, coupled with their struggle to replace them with immediate talent. They may be in for a serious struggle next year.

I don’t like the one and done system, I think it has created too much incentive for too many players to jump at the first opportunity. The trend used to be stay to build your stock, it is now leave so as to not ruin your stock. There’s no easy answer to this IMO. But we also can’t criticize our coach for being really good at a very important aspect of his job. It shouldn’t be a penalty but in many ways it is.

 

[tp394]

Vernon playing on ESPNU right now

 

[tp394]

Vernon playing on ESPNU right now

Definitely needs to work on his conditioning but he’s been impressive. 2-2 from 3pt and pretty good around the rim.

 

[Duke Blu]

Less pressure next year imo. Duke will be pretty good, no not nearly as good as this year (early on at least) but pretty good and you know what? That’s ok.

 

[dukehokie]

Definitely needs to work on his conditioning but he’s been impressive. 2-2 from 3pt and pretty good around the rim.

But can he hit free throws? Throw away his scholarship if he can’t hit free throws.

 

[tp394]

Haven’t seen that part yet lol

 

[lyonhawk]

Less pressure next year imo. Duke will be pretty good, no not nearly as good as this year (early on at least) but pretty good and you know what? That’s ok.

I think expectations will be pretty low for us next year, which is fine by me. I know some people are expecting a repeat of the '16 team. I think if the PG situation gets resolved, we've got a chance to be where we want to by the end of the year.

 

[tp394]

I just think next year we’ll be a better TEAM. This year we had a lot of talent and at points it just seemed like it was Rj and Zion on offense. Next year we won’t be able to rely on just one person. We’re gonna have to move the ball and run an offense. We’ll be more balanced and teams will actually have to guard the 3pt line. The more i think about it the more optimistic i feel

 

[Hurley22]

I just think next year we’ll be a better TEAM. This year we had a lot of talent and at points it just seemed like it was Rj and Zion on offense. Next year we won’t be able to rely on just one person. We’re gonna have to move the ball and run an offense. We’ll be more balanced and teams will actually have to guard the 3pt line. The more i think about it the more optimistic i feel

I agree with we will have to move the ball more to get the shots we want. I thought this team moved and shared the ball well against Kentucky and some other early games, but we got away from that a little bit IMO.

 

[skysdad]

Goldwire
Alex
Moore
Carey
Javin

Bench

White
Baker
Bolden
Boogie
Robinson
OFC

 

[Devianttwin]

Until they declare, the starting lineup will be;

T. Jones
C. Reddish
RJ. Barrett
Z. Williamson
V. Carrey

Bench

Goldwire
AOC
Baker
Moore
White
Bolden
Robinson
Coach K’s Nephew or whatever
Buckmire

Redshirt

Boogie Ellis

No Hurt or Watford.

If we don’t win it all with that team, then we may never win it again.

 

[pisgah101]

Until they declare, the starting lineup will be;

T. Jones
C. Reddish
RJ. Barrett
Z. Williamson
V. Carrey

Bench

Goldwire
AOC
Baker
Moore
White
Bolden
Robinson
Coach K’s Nephew or whatever
Buckmire

Redshirt

Boogie Ellis

No Hurt or Watford.

If we don’t win it all with that team, then we may never win it again.

Haha this is good

 

[christophero]

If Tre returns and we get Hurt.
Tre/Jordan/Boogie (RJ if Tre leaves)
Moore/AOC
Hurt/Baker
Javin/Jack
Carey/Bolden
Final 4 maybe if Tre/Hurt.
If no Tre, Sweet 16/round of 32
If no Tre/Hurt/RJ we may struggle to make the tournament.

 

[pisgah101]

If Tre returns and we get Hurt.
Tre/Jordan/Boogie (RJ if Tre leaves)
Moore/AOC
Hurt/Baker
Javin/Jack
Carey/Bolden
Final 4 maybe if Tre/Hurt.
If no Tre, Sweet 16/round of 32
If no Tre/Hurt/RJ we may struggle to make the tournament.

No chance