Stoops now blaming the fans?

[Kampus Korner_rivals164031]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? By far, the vast majority of the "criticism" has been directed at Stoops and his coaching staff, not the players. If he thinks that the predominant "toxic and negative criticism" has been directed towards the players, he is grossly mistaken and deceiving only himself. Moreover, he thinks UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

 

[Adolph Rollingover]

Just another version of what Charlie Strong said this week. And what Mike Gundy famously said "he is 40'. Lay off the players.

 

[TuckyFB]

Yes, how dare he stick up for his players! HOW DARE HE!

Have some of you seen what "fans" tweet at players after games? Especially the losses?

 

[morgousky]

You can always tell when a coach is about to be removed. They blame officials, fans, and culture.

I'll tell him what. You donate your insane contract back to uk, because you haven't earned it. Or get your *** in gear, blame yourself for the product on the field.

Fans react to YOU, the players are a product of you.

Piss *** poor look for stoops. Not surprised.

 

[JPFisher]

Yes, how dare he stick up for his players! HOW DARE HE!

Have some of you seen what "fans" tweet at players after games? Especially the losses?

"STEPHEN JOHNSON SUCKS" is a personal favorite of mine for people who are asking, "where's the evidence that fans are turning on the kids?"

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? That UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

Yes, we suck.

 

[TuckyFB]

You can always tell when a coach is about to be removed. They blame officials, fans, and culture.

I'll tell him what. You donate your insane contract back to uk, because you haven't earned it. Or get your *** in gear, blame yourself for the product on the field.

Fans react to YOU, the players are a product of you.

Piss *** poor look for stoops. Not surprised.

^^^

This guy is a coach.....

He's influencing the youth. We're screwed.

How does it feel that some of your players that you "coach" are more mature than you?

 

[Blue_White_KY]

I agree 100%. A lot on here can't criticize without it being so hate filled. A lot of their criticism is regurgitated and not made of their own opinions which makes them appear ignorant.

Fans need to lay off the players, they came to UK and are busting their *** trying to win. Our fans, at this point in the season should be way more supportive than they are right now.

 

[Robcatt24]

Stoops needs to realize, when a coach decides to attack the fanbase, the fanbase always wins.

He needs to shut his mouth and win a game he's not supposed to. You know, something a good coach can do from time to time.

Beat Georgia, Tennessee, or Louisville and I'll be impressed.

 

[morgousky]

Well poor little babies.

Grow up embrace the hate and produce at a respectable level. There's no real accomplishment in beating horrible teams, barely, at home. This is stoops 4th year. It's his team.

If he wants to stick up for players, create a "us against the world" mentality, that's fine. Lots of coaches do it.

If he's serious, he's about gone and knows it.

 

[gojvc]

I'm not at all surprised he doesn't like the negativity in the fanbase. I doubt any coach ever does. But it's not like the team was 8-0 and we just woke up one day and decided to be negative. Negativity exists because his 4th UK team isn't very good. If you don't like the negativity then do a better job. I didn't sense any negativity when I was in Tuscaloosa last week.

 

[morgousky]

^^^

This guy is a coach.....

He's influencing the youth. We're screwed.

How does it feel that some of your players that you "coach" are more mature than you?

oh no. You don't know our team. The only way to replace losers with success is vomit. This is high school.

 

[Adolph Rollingover]

@morgousky got to say, you have some strong opinions which add very little and seem intended to inflame and incite. Not a fan of that so I'll bow out and just click the ignore.

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

Coach Stoops,

I've supported you, but you might want to beat Southern Miss and WKU before you make statements like that...

 

[morgousky]

@morgousky got to say, you have some strong opinions which add very little and seem intended to inflame and incite. Not a fan of that so I'll bow out and just click the ignore.

Bye Felicia.

 

[morgousky]

Coach Stoops,

I've supported you, but you might want to beat Southern Miss and WKU before you make statements like that...

Burn.

 

[CoachR35]

"STEPHEN JOHNSON SUCKS" is a personal favorite of mine for people who are asking, "where's the evidence that fans are turning on the kids?"

I saw that thread as well. It was inappropriate and immature.

 

[Poetax]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? By far, the vast majority of the "criticism" has been directed at Stoops and his coaching staff, not the players. If he thinks the "toxic and negative criticism" has been directed towards the players, he is deceiving only himself. Moreover, he thinks UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

Maybe he was talking about the lies about his messing with other women. I don't care whether he is here or not but that was pretty negative and toxic, don't you think?

 

[Goingfor9]

I think the BB fan base has been very patient with him. He should not have allowed for southern miss to be on schedule. That's what did him in this season. Let's see if he can get to a bowl if not move in wo him. It appears the stoops fam was flash in the pan anyways

 

[morgousky]

I honestly never attack players. I might say "our team sucks" our QB play sucks" etc. but the players are just an extntion of our coach. I blame Barnhart and stoops for this product.

Stoops makes an insane amount of money. He's had plenty of time to blow out teams like SC and Vandy at home. He's had plenty of time to beat WKU and Southern Miss. Blaming the fans?

Like I said, some of our fan base it battered. They can't read through it.

If he's doing to to create an atmosphere of "us against the world" I would too. I wouldn't really go public with it though. Calipari is a master at this. He doesn't attack the fans in an open forum especially if his team is bad.

Stoops is finished imo. We'll see.

 

[Kats23]

Double edge sword. No, fans should never attack, esp personally, to college kids. It's wrong, stupid, and shows immaturity.

However, you're supposed to as a coach try to ward that off so that it shows it doesn't bother you. Clearly, this isn't the case for Stoops. So for people who like to do it to the see the rise, get the attention they want. I will say it's hard to avoid it now a days with Social Media. Just makes it too easy to connect with these players.

In the end, I don't like it for Stoops to publicly comment about it bc it's a minority part of the fanbase anyway.

 

[morgousky]

Maybe he was talking about the lies about his messing with other women. I don't care whether he is here or not but that was pretty negative and toxic, don't you think?

If that wasn't true in any form, and was pure rumor, it was very toxic because players were tweeting it. But if you read that paragraph in context, I don't think that's what he's talking about.

 

[KyCatFan1]

I agree that some people voice their displeasure about the players in the wrong way, but it does sound like he is making excuses about his ability to be a head coach here. You don't think people acted just the same before social media was around? If he is worried about it so much then ban social media during the season because there will always be idiots out there that say stupid stuff and some of them are trolls just trying to make fans look bad. The others just want to have a good football team but let their emotions get the best of them.

 

[Hjack]

I guess you have to give him credit for being right. We (fans) haven't scored a point this year. And certainly, we (fans) have not played defense worth a darn.

 

[TBCat]

I'm mixed on this. The "Elam is fat" and "Barker sucks" stuff I totally I agree with him on. There's no place for that. I believe however he's trying to make this into a defense of himself however and he's wrong on that. The fans should be angry. And criticizing fan support is the last step before a coach loses his job. The truth is the fan support is far better in comparison than what Stoops has given back in terms of product on the field. Stop losing to Sunbelt and Conference USA teams and you won't have to worry about fans support.

 

[UKvisitor_rivals101449]

Stoops just responding to many negative comments here. He is not making this stuff up.

 

[TBCat]

Maybe he was talking about the lies about his messing with other women. I don't care whether he is here or not but that was pretty negative and toxic, don't you think?

Given that this came as a comment to the team after losing to USM I doubt that. Still you have a point. That crap was unacceptable. I still think this was more of a feel sorry for himself bit though.

 

[Poetax]

If that wasn't true in any form, and was pure rumor, it was very toxic because players were tweeting it. But if you read that paragraph in context, I don't think that's what he's talking about.

Maybe not but if I was the coach that the rumor was about I wouldn't let it lay without bringing it up to those who started it to personally hurt him and his family. Somewhere out there we have a very small sick group of fans.

 

[DCFseattle]

I thought it was pretty clear what he was saying. Leave the players alone and criticize the grown *** men on the staff. There's a small, albeit very mouthy, portion of this fan base that is vile to everybody involved... Hard to attract better and better players when jackasses attack the players personally. Recruits see that.

 

[morgousky]

Stoops just responding to many negative comments here. He is not making this stuff up.

I think for a man making 10's of millions of dollars for our product, he should focus that 2 minute speech on something that matters.

This is why saban is so great. Doesn't waste time.

 

[KattieCat]

He already knows how the rest of this season is going to go, and he's getting a head start on spreading the blame around for what he knows is coming.

 

[morgousky]

Maybe not but if I was the coach that the rumor was about I wouldn't let it lay without bringing it up to those who started it to personally hurt him and his family. Somewhere out there we have a very small sick group of fans.

I still don't understand where that rumor originated. The mods said here, the fans said the UT board. I'd love to know how it spread so quickly and who started it.

Oh well. Glad it wasnt true. I'm no fan of stoops but he's got kids. They are far more important in the end for his family.

 

[Poetax]

I still don't understand where that rumor originated. The mods said here, the fans said the UT board. I'd love to know how it spread so quickly and who started it.

Oh well. Glad it wasnt true. I'm no fan of stoops but he's got kids. They are far more important in the end for his family.

I'm glad to hear you say that, anybody not doing their job should be replaced but not destroyed by a fan base.

 

[TACcat7]

I thought it was pretty clear what he was saying. Leave the players alone and criticize the grown *** men on the staff. There's a small, albeit very mouthy, portion of this fan base that is vile to everybody involved... Hard to attract better and better players when jackasses attack the players personally. Recruits see that.

I don't condone attacking players. Never have. But, with all due respect, prospects see the product on the field as the biggest detriment to the program. Not the fans.

 

[morgousky]

I'm glad to hear you say that, anybody not doing their job should be replaced but not destroyed by a fan base.

I'm a hard nosed UK fanatic who expects success far better than we've had it in football but I don't wish Ill on the guy in his personal life.

 

[Poetax]

I don't condone attacking players. Never have. But, with all due respect, prospects see the product on the field as the biggest detriment to the program. Not the fans.

Don't know about that, if I was a QB visiting today I would feel confident in knowing that I could start here immediately.

 

[Shavers48]

I can see why this is the AD's guy. meant for each other.

 

[TACcat7]

Don't know about that, if I was a QB visiting today I would feel confident in knowing that I could start here immediately.

True, but they want to win Poe. UK doesn't do that very well.

 

[CoachR35]

Stoops just responding to many negative comments here. He is not making this stuff up.

I would hope that Stoops is too busy coaching his team to have time to read message boards. He's probably pissed about the people that call in to his radio show and question his coaching. Either way, as a coach, you gotta have thicker skin than that. Personally, I don't think he's created enough credibility with the fan base to publicly say stuff like that. However, I don't have a problem with him protecting and supporting his players.

 

[UKvisitor_rivals101449]

I think for a man making 10's of millions of dollars for our product, he should focus that 2 minute speech on something that matters.

This is why saban is so great. Doesn't waste time.

You want speeches for money. I want wins in the SEC for money. I win tonite.