Stoops now blaming the fans?

[GonzoCat90]

He's right, and he can say it to his players to circle the wagons, but there's nothing to be gained from saying it publicly.

The ones he's talking to will react and lash out in the ways they always handle things--poorly, emotionally, and without much consideration for negative ramifications.

 

[morgousky]

Someone once said: "It is better to have one think you are fool, than to open your mouth... yada yada"

Someone also once said "if you're causal about winning, you'll end up a casualty."

Think about it.

 

[morgousky]

He's right, and he can say it to his players to circle the wagons, but there's nothing to be gained from saying it publicly.

The ones he's talking to will react and lash out in the ways they always handle things--poorly, emotionally, and without much consideration for negative ramifications.

As I said, cal is great at this. He creates a "us against the world" culture with his teams but never directs it to his fans.

Stoops could learn a thing or two.

 

[BBNDMV]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? By far, the vast majority of the "criticism" has been directed at Stoops and his coaching staff, not the players. If he thinks that the predominant "toxic and negative criticism" has been directed towards the players, he is grossly mistaken and deceiving only himself. Moreover, he thinks UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

These message boards are so uplifting and supportive. I mean, it's pretty much a Joel olsteen devotinal at this point.

 

[merrimanm]

All of this argument over something that isn't necessary. He said the COACHES deserve to get criticised, not the players. Not sure how that is blaming fans. He is right on both accounts. Coaches know what they sign up for and it is just part of the job. But he is also right in saying that the players should not be personally attacked. Not sure why some are pissed about that comment.

 

[gojvc]

All of this argument over something that isn't necessary. He said the COACHES deserve to get criticised, not the players. Not sure how that is blaming fans. He is right on both accounts. Coaches know what they sign up for and it is just part of the job. But he is also right in saying that the players should not be personally attacked. Not sure why some are pissed about that comment.

Where have players been personally attacked?

 

[Deeeefense]

My advice to Coach Stoops, " Start winning before you start criticizing the fans."

I didn't take his comment to be directed at the entire fanbase, rather those that have been lobbing disparaging comments and insults about players, which BTW will not be allowed on this site.

 

[shutzhund]

20, 21, 22.

Average age of collegiate football starters. Hell, a few of these guys are even in their mid 20's in D1.

Enough of the kid talk. These guys have everything handed to them on a silver platter. If they can't take SEC football fans demanding a great product, play Mississippi junior college football.

I'm sorry, but a lot of this coddling is half the problem with these spoiled brats.

Unknowingly you just gave support to my previous post on this subject.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Where have players been personally attacked?

Ask them. Several of them have discussed it on Twitter. Even tonight.

 

[morgousky]

All of this argument over something that isn't necessary. He said the COACHES deserve to get criticised, not the players. Not sure how that is blaming fans. He is right on both accounts. Coaches know what they sign up for and it is just part of the job. But he is also right in saying that the players should not be personally attacked. Not sure why some are pissed about that comment.

Players are given free education at the finest universities on the planet, free tutors around every corner, free meals, free gear, free national television exposure, free work out facilities that are the best in the world, free instruction from the best coaches in the world, free free free. This time in a few years, they're going to be paid on top of it.

I know fathers busting their *** to provide 1/10th of those things so their kids have the ability at a life. They work their kids over way harder than a few fans bitching about a football game.

I also know ( I was one) college guys that deal with 2 jobs, kids, and the rigors of life while paying their own way at an education.

Spare me the sympathy for these athletes. They play in (basically) a semi pro conference with aspirations to be in the NFL. they better get prepared for life of a paid professional.

This ain't necessarily directed at you, but stoops needs to check himself.

 

[morgousky]

Unknowingly you just gave support to my previous post on this subject.

Well we agree I guess. My box if fluttered can't keep up.

 

[gojvc]

Ask them. Several of them have discussed it on Twitter. Even tonight.

I don't do Twitter so I'll not address that because I have no knowledge one way or the other. I've seen nothing personal on here. It's all about football.

 

[51stFan]

I personally don't attack any players but the best thing Stoops can do is put them in better situations to succeed. I'm glad for the W tonight, but four years in I was hoping not to continue to struggle so much at home to the bottom of the conference. If we can't get better it might be ugly with UT, UGA, and UofL.

 

[morgousky]

I don't do Twitter so I'll not address that because I have no knowledge one way or the other. I've seen nothing personal on here. It's all about football.

Twitter. lol.

If I were in their shoes, is be in the gym, working on my body and game, preparing myself for a shot at the NFL.

I know it sounds "get off my lawn", but most top coaches agree. These guys are caught up in **** that is nothing but a distraction.

If I were them, the headline of my Facebook page would read

"Message me next year, I'm working. I'll answer when I'm successful"

 

[JPFisher]

Stephen Johnson is NOT close to being an SEC quarterback. His future is NOT going to be on the football field. With that said it's still very wrong to put out "Stephen Johnson Sucks" on social media. He is far from an SEC quarterback but crude comments are just not necessary.

Exactly. Putting it out that he's equivalent to the Pacific trash islands is really the best way to get him to perform to our expectations.

He's not yet a permanent SEC starting QB. He may never be. However, he's doing a **** ton more than any of these bad mouthers.

 

[merrimanm]

Where have players been personally attacked?

Really? They are all over these boards. Johnson sucks, Elam is fat, Baker is a punk that can't catch. I have seen numerous posts personally attacking players.

 

[UKvisitor_rivals101449]

OT SNL is on, Really.

Baldwin as Trump: "grab them by the *****" opening.

 

[Rhavic]

Are we actually contesting that we have a constantly negative, toxic spewing fanbase? Really?

 

[gojvc]

Twitter. lol.

If I were in their shoes, is be in the gym, working on my body and game, preparing myself for a shot at the NFL.

I know it sounds "get off my lawn", but most top coaches agree. These guys are caught up in **** that is nothing but a distraction.

If I were them, the headline of my Facebook page would read

"Message me next year, I'm working. I'll answer when I'm successful"

I'm frankly suspicious of how "personal" it actually is on Twitter. I suspect a lot of these players consider anything that they don't like to be "personal". But you're right, UK isn't the only school where players have Twitter accounts. If they're really that bothered by Twitter, then Twitter isn't their real problem.

 

[morgousky]

Exactly. Putting it out that he's equivalent to the Pacific trash islands is really the best way to get him to perform to our expectations.

He's not yet a permanent SEC starting QB. He may never be. However, he's doing a **** ton more than any of these bad mouthers.

Serious question.

Did you play?

The best motivation is to be torn down. If it's in him to produce at a high level, he needs to be criticized. Make him feel accomplished over sucking and it'll make him worse.

If he can't take it, he's not an SEC caliber quarterback. He's not a leader. He can't feel the fire and fight

Some of you are SJW PC average joes and have no clue how to make a Gisele into a lion.

Take it to book club. This is high level football.

 

[Deeeefense]

Stephen Johnson is NOT close to being an SEC quarterback. His future is NOT going to be on the football field. With that said it's still very wrong to put out "Stephen Johnson Sucks" on social media. He is far from an SEC quarterback but crude comments are just not necessary.

Your 100% right and that kind of thing won't be tolerated on here. That thread was removed as soon as I saw it.

 

[morgousky]

I'm frankly suspicious of how "personal" it actually is on Twitter. I suspect a lot of these players consider anything that they don't like to be "personal". But you're right, UK isn't the only school where players have Twitter accounts. If they're really that bothered by Twitter, then Twitter isn't their real problem.

Everything's personal now. This country is ate up in PC mania and it filters down to the younger generations. They can't take productive criticism and aren't motivated by harsh criticism. If players are complaining about social media, I'd be pissed at them, not the fans.

 

[merrimanm]

Players are given free education at the finest universities on the planet, free tutors around every corner, free meals, free gear, free national television exposure, free work out facilities that are the best in the world, free instruction from the best coaches in the world, free free free. This time in a few years, they're going to be paid on top of it.

I know fathers busting their *** to provide 1/10th of those things so their kids have the ability at a life. They work their kids over way harder than a few fans bitching about a football game.

I also know ( I was one) college guys that deal with 2 jobs, kids, and the rigors of life while paying their own way at an education.

Spare me the sympathy for these athletes. They play in (basically) a semi pro conference with aspirations to be in the NFL. they better get prepared for life of a paid professional.

This ain't necessarily directed at you, but stoops needs to check himself.

I did all those things too. While playing 2 college sports. But I don't care what they are getting. Personally attacking people is wrong. Especially when it is only a freakin football game. Do they need to learn how to handle it? Absolutely. They need to be mentally tough and understand that is part of life. But it still doesn't make it right to attack people personally. Especially when you really don't even know them as people.

And I would feel a little more angry at Stoops if he didn't take up for his players. He should do that. Like fathers do for their kids.

 

[Deeeefense]

Really? They are all over these boards. Johnson sucks, Elam is fat, Baker is a punk that can't catch. I have seen numerous posts personally attacking players.

We have cleaned up quite a bit of this, but we can't be everywhere all the time. You guys can all help us out by using the report function when you see something like that. That way one of us can jump on it right away.
Thanks!

 

[morgousky]

Seriously my high school football coach, one of the best in the state of Tennessee all time, would literally work us to death if we were complaining about social media and fan ridicule. Think about it for a damn minute. That's as soft as it gets.

And we were 9th - 12th grade high schoolers

You can't make this crap up.

 

[allabouttheUK]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? By far, the vast majority of the "criticism" has been directed at Stoops and his coaching staff, not the players. If he thinks that the predominant "toxic and negative criticism" has been directed towards the players, he is grossly mistaken and deceiving only himself. Moreover, he thinks UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

Start rumors about a coach = ok
Criticize the coach = ok
Coach calls out a portion of the fan base =

I'd be calling out the fan base too after the bs that has been said. Seems like some of the smartass fans need to put their big boy pants on if their gonna talk ****.

 

[Kampus Korner_rivals164031]

You must be one of those who say the players don't read the pathetic posts by our more moronic posters. You must live in a intellectual vacuum.

You think they don't read this crap and are not affected. Then see all the anger between posters over conflicting posts on this site. Immature for sure but these players are immature too. But they have good reason to be because they are still kids.

They think this is the way normal UK fans feel and don't realize they're dealing with a bunch of nuts who are venting the anger their own personal failures have created.

Shutz, you better take a closer look in the mirror, it is you who must be living in some of kind of vacuum (a fantasy one?) if you think today's 18 to 23 year old's who have been playing competitive sports since they were 10, don't appreciate the reality of fan reaction. They have heard it from their fathers, uncles, grandfathers and friends of theirs since they were old enough to play the game. Hell, half of the posters on this message board are in high school or college. Yet, you express bewilderment that UK football players only discovered message boards after they signed with UK? Recruits at every college in America have been reading and posting on message boards of some sort since they came into existence.

New recruits have been advised by high school and college coaches for the last 15 to 20 years not to pay attention to Internet message boards, that they are filled with anonymous trolls, dollops, sickos and people who live in "intellectual vacuums". Message boards have been well known for years. By the time any athlete performs well enough to gain a scholarship to a major university, they have been told and they know that with the favorable publicity that follows after a win, also comes criticism after a defeat. For any athlete, praise and criticism is part of their journey. It has been this way for many years. We are not talking about 8 year olds.



.

 

[gojvc]

Everything's personal now. This country is ate up in PC mania and it filters down to the younger generations. They can't take productive criticism and aren't motivated by harsh criticism. If players are complaining about social media, I'd be pissed at them, not the fans.

Amen brother.

 

[I am stupid]

Coaches do this all the time. Even Saint Calipari constantly tells the fans to stop being negative to the team, that the poor play was on him, etc...

 

[morgousky]

I did all those things too. While playing 2 college sports. But I don't care what they are getting. Personally attacking people is wrong. Especially when it is only a freakin football game. Do they need to learn how to handle it? Absolutely. They need to be mentally tough and understand that is part of life. But it still doesn't make it right to attack people personally. Especially when you really don't even know them as people.

And I would feel a little more angry at Stoops if he didn't take up for his players. He should do that. Like fathers do for their kids.

It's what fans do at these levels. You aren't going to change that. It's been that way since Rome.

Fan is short for "fanatic". It's the process. I'm far more bothered by the notion that men playing SEC caliber football and future pros are bothered by social media and fans reactions. I don't care what the insults are.

My position as a coach would be simple. Suck it the hell up. Those fans provide you with what you're eating, wearing, drinking, and learning. They can do whatever they want. Ignore it. They deserve your respect. Be the bigger man. Get your phone the hell out of this complex and get to work.

Nothing makes me feel older than these soft generations of today.

 

[morgousky]

Coaches do this all the time. Even Saint Calipari constantly tells the fans to stop being negative to the team, that the poor play was on him, etc...

For one, calipari has earned the right to say whatever he wants. He gets his players to buy in and they produce at a high level.

Secondly, he has never criticized fans in the manner above that I remember. If you can find it, fine. But if his team was losing to CUSA teams, western Kentucky, and barely scraping by against vandy at home, you wouldn't hear a word about the fans.

 

[CB3UK]

John Ray .233
Bill Curry .333
Joker Phillips .351
Mark Stoops .357
Charlie Bradshaw .386


I'll just leave that there.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Serious question.

Did you play?

The best motivation is to be torn down. If it's in him to produce at a high level, he needs to be criticized. Make him feel accomplished over sucking and it'll make him worse.

If he can't take it, he's not an SEC caliber quarterback. He's not a leader. He can't feel the fire and fight

Some of you are SJW PC average joes and have no clue how to make a Gisele into a lion.

Take it to book club. This is high level football.

You really need to apply for the Head Coaching position when it becomes available. You sound like the second coming of Bear Bryant....or possibly BCG, not quite sure.

 

[morgousky]

You really need to apply for the Head Coaching position when it becomes available. You sound like the second coming of Bear Bryant....or possibly BCG, not quite sure.

Again, that's what I keep tellin'em.

LMAO at maybe billy G!

 

[rqa]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? By far, the vast majority of the "criticism" has been directed at Stoops and his coaching staff, not the players. If he thinks that the predominant "toxic and negative criticism" has been directed towards the players, he is grossly mistaken and deceiving only himself. Moreover, he thinks UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

I have said for the past 25-30 years that the toxic environment in Lexington makes it even more difficult to turn the program around. This was the wrong time for Stoops to make this statement but what was said is 1000% true.

 

[Blueaz]

Yes we do. You pumpers.

@Poetax is no pumper...but he doesn't take kindly to bashing the players. Yes, our fans do it... both basketball and football.
I agree Stoops should have kept his mouth shut until a few more games were won; but, he hasn't made many good post game comments in four years...why start now?

 

[gojvc]

It's what fans do at these levels. You aren't going to change that. It's been that way since Rome.

Fan is short for "fanatic". It's the process. I'm far more bothered by the notion that men playing SEC caliber football and future pros are bothered by social media and fans reactions. I don't care what the insults are.

My position as a coach would be simple. Suck it the hell up. Those fans provide you with what you're eating, wearing, drinking, and learning. They can do whatever they want. Ignore it. They deserve your respect. Be the bigger man. Get your phone the hell out of this complex and get to work.

Nothing makes me feel older than these soft generations of today.

The bottom line is that we, as die hard UK football fans, want a real SEC program. I've been going to UK football games since 1978. I've forgotten more UK football than some of these pumpers have ever seen. And I know one thing for sure - not facing the actual reality of our situation is a guarantee of failure. That's how you get 40 years of optimism coinciding with 40 years of failure. We as fans have to see the BS we've been fed for what it is and demand better or this is never going to change. It sucks, it has always sucked, and now seeing the rival school less than 10 miles away from me in the Top 10 makes it suck even more. Sorry for the rant, there's a lot more to say, but some of you people have to raise your expectations or this shat is never going to change.

 

[morgousky]

I have said for the past 25-30 years that the toxic environment in Lexington makes it even more difficult to turn the program around. This was the wrong time for Stoops to make this statement but what was said is 1000% true.

Awe look, fuzz is back, with his usual PC, soft, and causal post as always.

 

[rqa]

There is no reason for mean spirited personal attacks that have nothing to do with football, but constructive criticism based on observation is fair.

Few people, especially those on this board know what constitutes "constructive criticism".

 

[gojvc]

I have said for the past 25-30 years that the toxic environment in Lexington makes it even more difficult to turn the program around. This was the wrong time for Stoops to make this statement but what was said is 1000% true.

Instead of running his mouth he should have beaten Southern Miss.