Stoops now blaming the fans?

[carolinacat]

I mean, this is the main point.

Some of these guys only remember the brooks years and don't get it. But I promise them, they will sound like you and I in another 10 years when uk has been to a few toilet bowls and Petrino is winning huge.

They will see in time. You can't fix the stupidity of youth.

And this clown wonders why people think he's a UL troll! LOL..it's so transparent.

 

[Beatle Bum]

The next idiot that blames the loyal, crapped upon fans of a bottom feeder program that refuses to do anything beyond excepting mediocrity, needs to get to a mirror and smack himself silly.

Should start with Stoops.

Just keep winning games and shut it. The fans will be there. They always have been. God knows why.

This is pretty sad, bob. It's the history of UK that justifies fans tweeting players with ugly tweets, making up rumors, posting mean things about certain college kids? Wow. Aren't we a special case. I never thought you were the guy who made excuses for poor behavior. Maybe that was another UKbob.

 

[tluck28]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? By far, the vast majority of the "criticism" has been directed at Stoops and his coaching staff, not the players. If he thinks that the predominant "toxic and negative criticism" has been directed towards the players, he is grossly mistaken and deceiving only himself. Moreover, he thinks UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

He has a good point. These are college kids playing a game. It's a game people. Get a damn life and leave these kids alone (twitter). Some peoples lives are so boring and meaningless, that U.K. Or UL sports are their lives. It's pretty sad.

 

[sambowieshin_rivals]

If any fan base in the college football world has earned the right to gripe about the state of our program it's us.
That said, tweeting insults to 18 year old kids is a sign of serious mental and emotional deficiency.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

@morgousky got to say, you have some strong opinions which add very little and seem intended to inflame and incite. Not a fan of that so I'll bow out and just click the ignore.

@morgousky is a race baiter as well. One of the worst posters on this message board.

 

[theoledog]

I'm not a fan of talking about players... BUT... The kids like to live by social media so the world being what it is.... They need to learn to man-up when the same social media they crave (not all) turns on them...

But if i were Stoops I wouldn't like it either if an anonymous poster said player Soandso sucks!!!

I say we place blame where it belongs.... Mitch sucks!
I snuck that in there again...................

 

[Blue Decade]

Stoops needs to realize, when a coach decides to attack the fanbase, the fanbase always wins.

He needs to shut his mouth and win a game he's not supposed to. You know, something a good coach can do from time to time.

Beat Georgia, Tennessee, or Louisville and I'll be impressed.

LOL! Spoken by a guy who has gotten way too comfortable attacking our coaches. All you ask is that Stoops shuts his mouth and beats Georgia, Tennessee, Louisville. But if he did, you would still be bitching. I am neither pro-Stoops or anti-Stoops. I am pro-UK players. Stoops is right. Part of his job is to protect his players. Some of these people will never be satisfied until the coaching staff and athletics department are carpet bombed. Then they will attack the next coach too. Our fans were attacking Coach Brooks when he was taking our football team to bowl games. You look at this board today and you would think we lost yesterday. It's nauseating.

 

[JPFisher]

Serious question.

Did you play?

The best motivation is to be torn down. If it's in him to produce at a high level, he needs to be criticized. Make him feel accomplished over sucking and it'll make him worse.

If he can't take it, he's not an SEC caliber quarterback. He's not a leader. He can't feel the fire and fight

Some of you are SJW PC average joes and have no clue how to make a Gisele into a lion.

Take it to book club. This is high level football.

I'm incredibly sorry (for anyone you associate with) that you feel that constantly crushing their work will somehow magically make them wake up a superstar. Constructive criticism is one thing. Receiving notifications, seeing attacking message board threads, and reading people talk about performance can be good from time to time, but not constantly. I wouldn't be surprised if Stoops pulls a Cal and bans social media. Different reasons, of course, but a ban nonetheless.

Johnson is in his first year at this program. He's a JUCO transfer. He's pretty obviously got a ceiling, and grown men bitching at him while trying to hold a pissing contest on a forum isn't going to improve his play. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

I love how your default retort to anyone is "Did you play?" Well no, Jack Wagon. I wrestled, but let's not let that get in the way. Coach constantly told me how much I sucked. Yup, thems were the good ol days. Never told me how to fix my problems, just that I sucked. Made me 10x the wrestler I would've been if he had actually helped. Yup. Come to think of it, my buddies who were state champions were constantly told how much they sucked, too. I've been going about it all wrong! Golly gee! There's no "fire," as you say, if it's constantly being swept with an extinguisher, Friend.

I'm a decent human being. It's not that hard. Pull your pants up and act like a respectable person for once in your tenure on this site.

You and a few others are constantly moaning about Barnhart, Stoops, assistant coaches, and performance and yet have the gall to act like Stoops has shown our most vocal fans such as yourself the ultimate injustice with his most recent comments. Good Lord.

 

[bradyjames_rivals]

Nobody is responsible for your attitude other than you. Blaming others for your shortcomings is typical losers mentality.

You ought to know. Pay your bets and stop wagging your finger at other posters.

 

[bradyjames_rivals]

Now it was an "attack." The fan base has some think skinned elements.

Seems he has thinner skin than any fan I have come cross. Only difference is he gets paid. Fans have paid for their tickets,parking, etc. before, during and will long after Stoops tenure.

He is just a poor coach. It's that simple.

 

[Tannerdad]

This is pretty sad, bob. It's the history of UK that justifies fans tweeting players with ugly tweets, making up rumors, posting mean things about certain college kids? Wow. Aren't we a special case. I never thought you were the guy who made excuses for poor behavior. Maybe that was another UKbob.

I think fans that call players names are sad. I have no issue with criticizing their play or bad behavior. There is so much twitter stupidity out there. And you always have a few here and other sites.

They are a real minority and honestly, unstoppable. So learn to work around them as every coach has to do.

I think coaches that blame their own failures on a minority of twitter/sm fools is just as sad. I have low tolerance for things said that can be interpreted as critique of this very special fanbase. The fanbase is the the only consistent positive element of UK football.

We are at a point in the season where Stoops should be building on the small momentum he has built. But this is the stuff many fans will be discussing instead of what it means to beat MSU.

Sort of like this thread.

It's a weak and rookie comment that would have been better off unsaid, imo.

 

[domino79]

We'll see if the gamble work out for him.

 

[CB3UK]

If any fan base in the college football world has earned the right to gripe about the state of our program it's us.
That said, tweeting insults to 18 year old kids is a sign of serious mental and emotional deficiency.

Agreed. The fan base has put up with more than it should have to bear.

But, and I think this point is getting lost in all this, there is a huge difference between criticizing players' performance and personally insulting them. If anyone is out there actively tweeting these guys and insulting them and calling them names they can go jump off a bridge. If Stoops is upset because we're criticizing the players' performance that's a different story.

 

[VilleCat_rivals377292]

I thought it was pretty clear what he was saying. Leave the players alone and criticize the grown *** men on the staff. There's a small, albeit very mouthy, portion of this fan base that is vile to everybody involved... Hard to attract better and better players when jackasses attack the players personally. Recruits see that.

If recruits worried about negative fans, they would never go anywhere. There are crazy, toxic fans in EVERY fan base. UKFB has a low percentage compared to a lot of others. I think that attacks on players is unacceptable, but this is more about Stoops not producing than anything else IMO.

 

[vhcat70]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? By far, the vast majority of the "criticism" has been directed at Stoops and his coaching staff, not the players. If he thinks that the predominant "toxic and negative criticism" has been directed towards the players, he is grossly mistaken and deceiving only himself. Moreover, he thinks UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

My reading is that he only attacked fans who attacked the players. What current or future players want to fight being attacked by supposed fans? Seems like his words are being turned to accuse him of saying he & his staff are above criticism. I don't think he said that at all. Net, a lot here are confusing him attacking those who attack players with attacking those who attack him.

 

[Shydog]

things that bother me on here are ridiculous things said about our players such as one poster making several comments strongly suggesting that Barker is really not even injured but just has his feeling hurt!! Can you imagine the guy, an anonymous poster on a message board saying something like that to Barkers parents, family, or to Drew himself? Maybe if you wouldn't say it directly to the person you are referring to then it shouldn't be said at all.

 

[rmattox]

I heard his post game comments . he said nothing wrong or out of line. Like other, I am not happy with the current state of the team . there are legitimate concerns, but griping about his comments is very clearly an indicator of someone that is simply not going to be happy no matter what happens from this point on.

 

[donngottie]

I think you have to read between the lines a little in what Stoops said. Toxic is probably referencing the rumors of an affair with someone. Attacking a mans family is crossing the line. Attacking his coaching is fair game. He is the coach so he is open to criticize players but fans need to stop with the social media bashing players.

 

[reflaine]

He said to criticize him it's part of the job, but leave the players alone. Not saying you can't grip and moan, just do it about him not the players. If anything he is taking blame for the downfalls. When he called out a player this board went nuts, when he got his players back the board goes nuts.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I think fans that call players names are sad. I have no issue with criticizing their play or bad behavior. There is so much twitter stupidity out there. And you always have a few here and other sites.

They are a real minority and honestly, unstoppable. So learn to work around them as every coach has to do.

I think coaches that blame their own failures on a minority of twitter/sm fools is just as sad. I have low tolerance for things said that can be interpreted as critique of this very special fanbase. The fanbase is the the only consistent positive element of UK football.

We are at a point in the season where Stoops should be building on the small momentum he has built. But this is the stuff many fans will be discussing instead of what it means to beat MSU.

Sort of like this thread.

It's a weak and rookie comment that would have been better off unsaid, imo.

I think we often parse out comments and don't accept the full context. Stoops said the coaches have deserved criticism. Reading the full quote, I just don't think he was blaming fans for his mistakes. He was discussing atmosphere. Trying to encourage Matte Elam to be the best he can be for this team is probably a difficult thing when Matt and his family read the ugly comments posted by fans and trolls. I am sure that Stephen J's family finds it hard to celebrate a win after reading their son "sucks" even though he was one of the leading rushers on the team and made some better reads in the option game and donated his body to the win. Fans and trolls sometimes state the utter obvious as a revelation and in some of the ugliest ways, rather than giving any measure of credit for the good. Some people here are motivated to hurt. Others are ignorant. Usually it people who have never been in the spotlight, but rather always have a screen name attached to their bold proclamations.

 

[Beatle Bum]

By the way, bob, thanks for your explanation.

 

[resjcg]

Good grief.....you know what's toxic to a SEC football program Stoops? Losing your fking home opener to a fking conference USA team!

 

[TankedCat]

being an old guy, saying Steven Johnson sucks around the water cooler or the local coffee shop was just fans talking. We never intended to or wanted to say it directly to the kid and at some level we all recognized the talent level any of these kids have is far far better than anyone we knew.

Social media has changed all that. The internet is the new water cooler and these kids on twitter/facebook/instagram/whatever have direct access to millions of fans.

All it takes is a handful of those millions of fans to say something inappropriate and then that message spreads like wildfire. The entire fanbase is labeled for it. It actually pre-dates twitter as these message boards have been representing the fan base nationally for 2 decades.

IMO, it was wrong for Stoops to say this - especially after a win - because it demeans the Vandy win, much like some of the fans on here have done. He's validating that a close win at Vandy is not where this team needs to be and he's pre-empting the criticism

A win over Vandy is expected. A close win over Vandy was not. There is valid criticism after a win. If a loss would have essentially cost Stoops his job, then a close win doesn't translate to optimism for the season or the future.

I understand that some fans just want to enjoy the win and the moment for the program.
But if you're expecting that to happen on the internet, and "fan shaming" people is your approach, you really don't have much grasp of what the fanbase interaction in the 21 century is like.

 

[fromthe25ydline]

I've never joined the Tweet community, never will.
I've never waltzed in to MB's office and told him I could coach the university's football team, either.
Most fans who've followed UK football know bad football when they see it. We've seen a lot of bad football lately.
How could any UK fan be pleased with the track this team has followed the last few years?
Suck it up, MS, this is a big boy league you're coaching in and your failures far outnumber your successes. Quit losing, start winning, especially the games you are supposed to win.
The level of competition in the other games on television exceeds what I see in UK games. Who's job is it to make UK football competitive?
Get to work.

 

[Stenchymouse]

First off, I HAVE never and WILL never be too hard on the kids themselves.

They're all just trying to succeed in life and they have families who love them.

With that being said, Stoops ought to be glad that the fans even give a crap at this point because I've lost a whole lot my enthusiasm for UK football.

As far as all that rumor stuff goes, I have NO IDEA who started it, but I'm ABSOLUTELY sure who helped to give it momentum.

The players sent out some cryptic tweets that contributed to the narrative, but the SID's afternoon tweet is what REALLY made me believe that something was going on.

OF COURSE they shouldn't have addressed the rumors at first, but knowing that the rumors were swirling, they should have been more responsible about and tweets that were sent out in the midst of it all.

UK's football fan base is NOTHING compared to the fan bases of big time football programs as far as being critical of losing!!

Honestly, I think that we have the most loyal and tolerant football fans in the entire country!!

I've watched and supported losing football for most of my life and I'm 52 years old, so Mark Stoops and Mitch Barnhardt can both kiss my @ss!!!

 

[Kampus Korner_rivals164031]

being an old guy, saying Steven Johnson sucks around the water cooler or the local coffee shop was just fans talking. We never intended to or wanted to say it directly to the kid and at some level we all recognized the talent level any of these kids have is far far better than anyone we knew.

Social media has changed all that. The internet is the new water cooler and these kids on twitter/facebook/instagram/whatever have direct access to millions of fans.

All it takes is a handful of those millions of fans to say something inappropriate and then that message spreads like wildfire. The entire fanbase is labeled for it. It actually pre-dates twitter as these message boards have been representing the fan base nationally for 2 decades.

IMO, it was wrong for Stoops to say this - especially after a win - because it demeans the Vandy win, much like some of the fans on here have done. He's validating that a close win at Vandy is not where this team needs to be and he's pre-empting the criticism


A win over Vandy is expected. A close win over Vandy was not. There is valid criticism after a win. If a loss would have essentially cost Stoops his job, then a close win doesn't translate to optimism for the season or the future.

I understand that some fans just want to enjoy the win and the moment for the program.
But if you're expecting that to happen on the internet, and "fan shaming" people is your approach, you really don't have much grasp of what the fanbase interaction in the 21 century is like.

Well said Tank. The fact that Stoops would have to whine about something he calls a "toxic atmosphere" after a win is puzzling. I don't "tweet" so I have no personal appreciation of what some fans (or trolls) say to players after a bad performance. I believe 90% or more of the criticism that Kentucky fans express about the football program is directed towards the coaches or the UK AD, not the players. I think Stoops is desperately trying to use the comparatively few negative and public criticisms about the players to chill the criticism where it is really directed, towards him.

 

[morgousky]

Ok blame him stay off the players ***

Poor. Little. Babies.

Sniff. Sniff. Whimper.

 

[morgousky]

First off, I HAVE never and WILL never be too hard on the kids themselves.

They're all just trying to succeed in life and they have families who love them.

With that being said, Stoops ought to be glad that the fans even give a crap at this point because I've lost a whole lot my enthusiasm for UK football.

As far as all that rumor stuff goes, I have NO IDEA who started it, but I'm ABSOLUTELY sure who helped to give it momentum.

The players sent out some cryptic tweets that contributed to the narrative, but the SID's afternoon tweet is what REALLY made me believe that something was going on.

OF COURSE they shouldn't have addressed the rumors at first, but knowing that the rumors were swirling, they should have been more responsible about and tweets that were sent out in the midst of it all.

UK's football fan base is NOTHING compared to the fan bases of big time football programs as far as being critical of losing!!

Honestly, I think that we have the most loyal and tolerant football fans in the entire country!!

I've watched and supported losing football for most of my life and I'm 52 years old, so Mark Stoops and Mitch Barnhardt can both kiss my @ss!!!

No, this is wrong. Hugs, kisses, sympathy.

This is how Alabama does it.

 

[morgousky]

And this clown wonders why people think he's a UL troll! LOL..it's so transparent.

There are literally 4 of you who think that.

I think all 4 of you are Louisville fans. Only a rival would accept this pitiful product and trounce on fans demanding a better product. Jurich couldn't have wrote it better himself.

 

[shutzhund]

Shutz, you better take a closer look in the mirror, it is you who must be living in some of kind of vacuum (a fantasy one?) if you think today's 18 to 23 year old's who have been playing competitive sports since they were 10, don't appreciate the reality of fan reaction. They have heard it from their fathers, uncles, grandfathers and friends of theirs since they were old enough to play the game. Hell, half of the posters on this message board are in high school or college. Yet, you express bewilderment that UK football players only discovered message boards after they signed with UK? Recruits at every college in America have been reading and posting on message boards of some sort since they came into existence.

New recruits have been advised by high school and college coaches for the last 15 to 20 years not to pay attention to Internet message boards, that they are filled with anonymous trolls, dollops, sickos and people who live in "intellectual vacuums". Message boards have been well known for years. By the time any athlete performs well enough to gain a scholarship to a major university, they have been told and they know that with the favorable publicity that follows after a win, also comes criticism after a defeat. For any athlete, praise and criticism is part of their journey. It has been this way for many years. We are not talking about 8 year olds.

Not worth arguing about since that is your opinion and that is mine. We will never change each other's minds. I know you won't change mine.

However, speaking of eight year olds, some of the posts I've seen in this thread alone reminds me of spoiled, pouting eight year olds emotionally.

But that's just me.



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[Lionel_Hutz]

Stoops is 6-22 in the SEC. He has no one to blame but himself for the "toxic" environment.

 

[megablue]

When asked at his introductory press conference, Stoops said the reason he came to Kentucky was "because of the Big Blue Nation."

 

[VilleCat_rivals377292]

If only he had beaten Southern Miss, most of the heat would have been delayed till next year.

 

[CatsFanatic07]

I'm sure there is a whole lot of UofL fans thinking about how embarrassing it is to be one of the top teams in the country. Sad that the ESPNs don't want to acknowledge the wins. All they want to talk about is Petrino and that motorcycle.

Oh. My bad, they quit talking about that stuff about a week after he was hired. The only ones mentioning it now are a few Kentucky fans trying to justify their AD not hiring him.

Hmmmm, funny times we live in. Seems like we made the right call now, doesn't it?

 

[CatsFanatic07]

What a joke. That wasn't the headline when U of L beat Florida State by 43 points. But don't undermine your agenda with accuracy Mitch.

What a difference two months make. To recap: you predicted Art Briles will be coaching somewhere next year--I doubt that now. Also, your knight in shining armor is being talked about for all the wrong reasons in the news. Seems like an AD got some egg on his face as I predicted.

 

[James Arington]

This, from Mark Stoops' post game commentary:

"It’s very hard to get something turned when it’s toxic and negative. And the criticism, we deserve it sometimes. And that’s, you know that. I sat here and taken it and will. When you deserve to be criticized, you take it like a man and move on. But the toxic, negative stuff, very hard to turn a program when people turn that way, and turn on the kids and turn on the players. Coaches deserve to be criticized. That’s our job, it’s part of our job, but the players and getting toxic and negative and being all that, that’s not going to help get this program to where we want it to go. I promise you."

So, I am trying understand Stoop's justification for now blaming the reaction from some UK fans as the substantial barrier to him getting the program "turned around". He makes $3.5 million dollars a year with millions more dollars guaranteed by contract, he's won 15 lost 27 (37% wins) and in the SEC he is 6-22 (21% wins). Apparently, he simply forgot his coaching debacles at Vandy and Louisville last year, the collapse at Southern Mississippi this year. In spite of these incontrovertible facts, Stoops believes UK fans should not express their disappointment? By far, the vast majority of the "criticism" has been directed at Stoops and his coaching staff, not the players. If he thinks that the predominant "toxic and negative criticism" has been directed towards the players, he is grossly mistaken and deceiving only himself. Moreover, he thinks UK fans have created a "toxic and negative" environment that make "it hard to get something turned" around? Wow! just Wow!

Why now? Let the staff do their jobs. The future is what are looking for now. Not old news.

 

[Myotis]

Why now? Let the staff do their jobs. The future is what are looking for now. Not old news.

You obviously didn't read the new post that dredged up this thread. It wasn't an attack on Stoops, it was a smack on all the UK fans who were moaning and groaning that we didn't hire Petrino when he was available, given the news of the week that's come out now. Just a few examples from the thread quoted below, without the screen names.

As I stated in another thread this morning, when you sacrifice your morals to "just win baby", it doesn't take long to get to where UL and Petrino are today.

"Of course, there is a man available who's a virtual guarantee to win here but I'm going to be fed some BS excuse why we can't bring him in. Just like I was fed a BS excuse why we couldn't hire Bobby Petrino four years ago."

"But we passed on Bobby Petrino to hire Mark Stoops. If you do something that stupid you're not even trying."

"Art Briles. He'll be coaching somewhere next year. And he'll win, probably sooner rather than later. Sadly, I doubt it will be at UK."

"Time will tell. I'll give Jurich credit, he made a gutsy call. Time will tell if egg will be on his face in a few years."

"All [UL Fans] want to talk about is Petrino and that motorcycle. Oh. My bad, they quit talking about that stuff about a week after he was hired. The only ones mentioning it now are a few Kentucky fans trying to justify their AD not hiring him."

 

[jauk11]

You obviously didn't read the new post that dredged up this thread. It wasn't an attack on Stoops, it was a smack on all the UK fans who were moaning and groaning that we didn't hire Petrino when he was available, given the news of the week that's come out now. Just a few examples from the thread quoted below, without the screen names.

As I stated in another thread this morning, when you sacrifice your morals to "just win baby", it doesn't take long to get to where UL and Petrino are today.

"Of course, there is a man available who's a virtual guarantee to win here but I'm going to be fed some BS excuse why we can't bring him in. Just like I was fed a BS excuse why we couldn't hire Bobby Petrino four years ago."

"But we passed on Bobby Petrino to hire Mark Stoops. If you do something that stupid you're not even trying."

"Art Briles. He'll be coaching somewhere next year. And he'll win, probably sooner rather than later. Sadly, I doubt it will be at UK."

"Time will tell. I'll give Jurich credit, he made a gutsy call. Time will tell if egg will be on his face in a few years."

"All [UL Fans] want to talk about is Petrino and that motorcycle. Oh. My bad, they quit talking about that stuff about a week after he was hired. The only ones mentioning it now are a few Kentucky fans trying to justify their AD not hiring him."

I hope Stoops post was a long time ago, I would hate to think it took him that long to react. And no, I'm not talking about the normal moaners and groaners that always complain about what could have been that criticize when the coach goes for it and doesn't make it and criticizes when he doesn't go for it. The few "toxic" fans that don't ever post without saying something negative about the program, fans that haven't been seen or heard from since the Transfer U game like JCNews, no surprise at all that he hasn't been seen or heard of since, at least by me, he hasn't had a lot to criticize lately so he has nothing to say. But he will be back with a vengeance if we lose the bowl game.

I campaigned against BP coming here from the start, I don't want that sleazeball anywhere near UK, I refuse to sell my soul in order to win games-------no matter how much money is involved. And Stoops is right to try to stop some of the really bad guys, I have lonng argued that it does have an effect on recruiting, and I believe the freshman CB's mother that spoke out is good evidence of it. Player and particularly parents do and should read these kind of boards to see what the fan base is like, AND to see if the coaches they like are likely to be here when they are playing.

Not sure what a lot of the vicious and constant criticisms were trying to accomplish, it certainly wasn't going to get Stoops fired--------but it could hurt recruiting.

Gotta go, rip away.