Stupidest rule in college baseball
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Explanation: Runners are NOT forced to run in this situation. Catcher can drop
the ball all he wants, but no other runner must advance so no chance of a double play the way you described. IF the runner on 3rd DOES try to advance, I would kick him off my team for being an idiot for getting picked off at third.
Also, the batter that strikes out is NOT REQUIRED to run it out, it's actually optional. But the defense must tag or throw out at first.
the ball all he wants, but no other runner must advance so no chance of a double play the way you described. IF the runner on 3rd DOES try to advance, I would kick him off my team for being an idiot for getting picked off at third.
Also, the batter that strikes out is NOT REQUIRED to run it out, it's actually optional. But the defense must tag or throw out at first.
This reasoning doesn't make sense to me. Why does the batter deserve a chance to run to first base? If he swung at the pitch and missed, it is his and only his fault. If the pitch was bad, he should have taken the ball and not swung. I see no reason for the pitcher to throw a "good enough" third strike. If he throws one that's bad and the batter swings, the pitcher has tricked the batter and deserves the out.
I was drawing the comparison to the infield fly rule and why the batter cannot attempt to advance on a dropped third strike with a runner (or multiple runners in force situations) at first. You said this rule and infield fly were apples to oranges, I was countering that these rules are related.
Ha ha, yep you got me. Like 99% of the population, I didnt play baseball past high school. I didnt realize only those who played college ball or professional ball were worthy of your time.
What a joke.
Apparently playing travel ball and high school ball isnt good enough to gain entry into the cave of enlightenment.
The rule is used in youth baseball, I experienced it all the time for years, both on our team and against us. It was dumb then too.
I think they added this rule to little league last year.
http://www.littleleague.org/Assets/forms_pubs/2012RuleChanges.pdf
http://www.littleleague.org/Assets/forms_pubs/2012RuleChanges.pdf
ha ha yeah, it was easy to tell by your baseball savvy. My point is maybe if you
werent such a dumb 17 you would listen to those that did play beyond high school and college and stop debating the rules and making suggestions/questions that t-ballers understand, a 17ing re-pitch?
What 17ing travel team did you play for, phoebe? I cant believe this is such a hard concept for someone that claims to have played baseball at any level. Its not a reward for the batter, its a matter of catching the 17ing ball to get an out, and if not, tagging them. Infield Fly is the EXCEPTION to the rule, stop acting like its the other way around and then maybe people like me will give you some respect. Until then, you sound like an idiot.
werent such a dumb 17 you would listen to those that did play beyond high school and college and stop debating the rules and making suggestions/questions that t-ballers understand, a 17ing re-pitch?
What 17ing travel team did you play for, phoebe? I cant believe this is such a hard concept for someone that claims to have played baseball at any level. Its not a reward for the batter, its a matter of catching the 17ing ball to get an out, and if not, tagging them. Infield Fly is the EXCEPTION to the rule, stop acting like its the other way around and then maybe people like me will give you some respect. Until then, you sound like an idiot.
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Ummm...no, he wasn't - he never even looked at the umpire - his back was to the home plate umpire - and he was looking for the ball. The ball bounced so far away that there was absolutely no chance of getting the out - even if he had located the ball immediately.
I agree. If the catcher is the one to whom the out is recorded because he caught the ball there isn't any such thing as a strike out for the pitcher.
Why does the pitcher/catcher deserve an out for not catching the ball?
Other than the infield fly rule, catching a ball in play or tagging the runner is required for an out. What if the pitcher throws a strike right down the pipe for strike 3 (looking - no swing) and the catcher misses it and rolls to the wall. Do you think the defense deserves the out?
Other than the infield fly rule, catching a ball in play or tagging the runner is required for an out. What if the pitcher throws a strike right down the pipe for strike 3 (looking - no swing) and the catcher misses it and rolls to the wall. Do you think the defense deserves the out?
Years ago my daughter then 11 was playing fast pitch in St Louis against a team from Nashville, we had never beat. Up 1 run and bottom of 7th and they had a runner on second. Our pitcher grooves the last pitch for the third strike. Catcher drops ball, proceeds to throw to first, ball goes to right field and right fielder throws ball out of ball park over third. Still haven't beaten that team.
I played for a team that excelled in reading comprehension.
When I mentioned the repitch, it wasnt serious. It was drawing a comparison. It was suggesting another absurd rule along the lines of the dropped 3rd strike. I was jokingly asking why its OK to drop the 1st or 2nd strike and those pitches count, but a dropped 3rd doesnt. And I then suggested ways to remedy this obvious inconsistency- turn the dropped strike into a ball or a do over.
It wasnt serious, but its rooted in as much logic as the dropped 3rd strike rule.
I get that its in place to catch the out. I also get that nobody catches a fouled bunt 3rd strike. I also get that nobody catches an infield fly(like you mentioned). You call those exceptions to the rule, but they could just as easily be called part of the rules. At what point are there too many exceptions to the rule to continue claiming exceptions to the rule?
The rules could easily say- A 3rd STRIKE AND THE BATTER IS OUT.
There ya go, easy as that. It is then no longer required to catch the ball and tag the batter or throw them out, but the ball is still in play for baserunners to advance.
If first base is occupied with less than 2 outs, the drop 3rd strike is not in effect. First base is not open so there is no where for the runner to go. He is out. This protects the base runners from having to run and get into a double play. On the third out, the drop 3rd strike rule is back in force, because there's no chance of other runners getting doubled off.
I bet you started following this MSU baseball team, what..... maybe 2 weeks ago?
Just a hunch but im figuring you for one of those that talks NBA and Lebron James during baseball season on this board. I bet last Friday was a struggle to decide which game to watch huh.
Maybe I can help relate your comments in all caps to a sport you're more familiar with. Using your same logic we should change the basketball rule to "ball goes through net, team awarded 2 points". Problem with your logic is it takes nothing else into account such as, did the player who scored throat punch the defender intentionally in the process? Was it a three pointer? Too many examples to list. Same as baseball with your logic, and every 17ing thing I've said are the exceptions to the rule and have explanations.
While its impossible for any game to always be 100% fair to both teams, rule books are an attempt to do just that, but in some cases, such as the ones we've discussed, you have to look at it from a totally different perspective.
Infield Fly Rule is an attempt to fair by giving the defensive team an out without even having to catch the ball. In exchange, the offensive team is granted a dead play therefore the runners dont get caught in the middle.
Fouled Bunt Strike 3 is an attempt to be fair by not allowing the batter to stand in the box while the pitcher throws pitch after pitch wearing himself out bc the batter keeps fouling bunts. You could take a pitcher out in 2 innings doing that. In exchange, the defensive team gets an out for failing to bunt within the first 3 strikes.
Swing and Miss Catcher Drops the Ball is an attempt to be fair by not letting the batter's skill level change the rule that the ball must be caught or runner tagged to be out. For example, if a pitcher winds up and fires it into the upper deck, and the batter unskillfully swings at it on strike 3, should that be an out? In exchange for the the batter's skill level not effecting the rule, the defensive team, who just threw a pitch in the upper deck, is not awarded an out and must apply a tag or put him out at 1st.
Sometimes you have to look at the extreme example to understand the more probable ones. These are the rules of the game and I happen to understand them and why they exist and if you dont now, well I guess you're just 17ed.
Just a hunch but im figuring you for one of those that talks NBA and Lebron James during baseball season on this board. I bet last Friday was a struggle to decide which game to watch huh.
Maybe I can help relate your comments in all caps to a sport you're more familiar with. Using your same logic we should change the basketball rule to "ball goes through net, team awarded 2 points". Problem with your logic is it takes nothing else into account such as, did the player who scored throat punch the defender intentionally in the process? Was it a three pointer? Too many examples to list. Same as baseball with your logic, and every 17ing thing I've said are the exceptions to the rule and have explanations.
While its impossible for any game to always be 100% fair to both teams, rule books are an attempt to do just that, but in some cases, such as the ones we've discussed, you have to look at it from a totally different perspective.
Infield Fly Rule is an attempt to fair by giving the defensive team an out without even having to catch the ball. In exchange, the offensive team is granted a dead play therefore the runners dont get caught in the middle.
Fouled Bunt Strike 3 is an attempt to be fair by not allowing the batter to stand in the box while the pitcher throws pitch after pitch wearing himself out bc the batter keeps fouling bunts. You could take a pitcher out in 2 innings doing that. In exchange, the defensive team gets an out for failing to bunt within the first 3 strikes.
Swing and Miss Catcher Drops the Ball is an attempt to be fair by not letting the batter's skill level change the rule that the ball must be caught or runner tagged to be out. For example, if a pitcher winds up and fires it into the upper deck, and the batter unskillfully swings at it on strike 3, should that be an out? In exchange for the the batter's skill level not effecting the rule, the defensive team, who just threw a pitch in the upper deck, is not awarded an out and must apply a tag or put him out at 1st.
Sometimes you have to look at the extreme example to understand the more probable ones. These are the rules of the game and I happen to understand them and why they exist and if you dont now, well I guess you're just 17ed.
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Only when compared to their grandpa. You pitched that one right down the plate.
That's not true.
Runner interference, third strike on a foul bunt, and a dropped third strike with a guy on first and fewer than 2 outs are all instances in which an out is recorded without catching a ball in play or tagging the runner.
Furthermore, and supported by the above examples, the defense absolutely deserves an out in a called strike three, regardless of the case of swinging.
Runner interfering with what? Catching the ball. All of your other examples I have addressed in previous posts.
Well first of all, yes, if a pitcher throws the ball into the stands and the batter swings at it, I think it should be an out. And second, what if that really did happen? Does the batter have to stop at first or does the strike out turn into a home run?
Personally I think the rule is stupid and I see no logic behind it. And in all of your ranting, I have yet to see you give the logic behind the rule, like you have for the fouled bunt strike 3 and the infield fly rules.......you have basically just said that this is the rule and that you think its a good rule and that anyone who thinks its a bad rule is a dumb 17 and didn't play baseball past high school. No one has an issue understanding the fact that this is a rule....the issue is with understanding the logic behind the rule.
So again, can you provide a logical explanation for the existence of the rule, in the same way that you could for the other rules?
I can assure you the creators of the game of baseball dont care what you think
and view you as the flawed one.
But fortunately I do care bc I dont want MSU fans like you to mistakenly represent the baseball IQ level of the vast majority of Mississippi State baseball fans at these events in the years to come. So, Ill attempt to again explain it logically to you.
No, it wouldnt be a home run. The batter would be awarded first base, or to be more precise, the batter would be awarded "one base" just like anytime a ball in fair play is thrown into the stands/dugout. The reason he cannot advance beyond 1st is bc its (1) a dead ball, and (2) second base cannot be awarded as the "free base" in this situation bc 1st base hasnt been earned yet bc he hasnt been tagged or put out. So the free base is 1b.
Catcher drops swinging strike 3 - The spirit of the rule is such that if a catcher cannot catch swinging strike 3, it is "logical" to say that the pitcher did not throw a pitch within the strike zone. So in exchange for getting a strikeout without having to throw a pitch within the strike zone, the catcher must catch the ball on swinging strike 3, and if not, he must tag or put out at 1st. You have to view it through the spirit of the rule.
and view you as the flawed one.
But fortunately I do care bc I dont want MSU fans like you to mistakenly represent the baseball IQ level of the vast majority of Mississippi State baseball fans at these events in the years to come. So, Ill attempt to again explain it logically to you.
No, it wouldnt be a home run. The batter would be awarded first base, or to be more precise, the batter would be awarded "one base" just like anytime a ball in fair play is thrown into the stands/dugout. The reason he cannot advance beyond 1st is bc its (1) a dead ball, and (2) second base cannot be awarded as the "free base" in this situation bc 1st base hasnt been earned yet bc he hasnt been tagged or put out. So the free base is 1b.
Catcher drops swinging strike 3 - The spirit of the rule is such that if a catcher cannot catch swinging strike 3, it is "logical" to say that the pitcher did not throw a pitch within the strike zone. So in exchange for getting a strikeout without having to throw a pitch within the strike zone, the catcher must catch the ball on swinging strike 3, and if not, he must tag or put out at 1st. You have to view it through the spirit of the rule.
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So the answer is that there really is no logical reasoning behind the rule......it is just a rule. That is a fair enough answer, I was just curious as to whether or not there was a reason for it like there is for the other rules mentioned.