Sunday Morning QB- Bammer

[goldeneye]

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</div><div>6. Controversial call #2- the 4th down call with Farvuh in the game. It was a great move I thought- you had field position and needed points- time was running out and he knew this was probably one of his last chances. Mighty Midget hits Green right in the numbers. That ball HAS to be caught. Period. End of story.</div><div>Now, if you want to be a dumbass and say Mullen cost us 7 points, no he didnt. And even with that- Perkins ran the KO back to get us in position to score. If Bama doesnt KO to us there- we wouldnt have scored anyway- so it's a wash.</div><div>
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Unless Im missing something, if we punt, they still drive and get into field goal range. They kich the FG instead of score a TD and they still kick off to Puerkins. Same result except the game is 13-7 instead of 17-7.

 

[jackstefano]

see the o-line. Until we get that straightened out in a couple of years, we are going to struggle against people like South Carolina and Alabama.

If he can field a competitive O line by his 5th year, imagine what'll happen in year 8 or 9. Perhaps a win against a western division team. <div>
</div><div>I'm only being so sarcastic to drive home how silly your post sounds.</div>

 

[Coach34]

see the o-line. Until we get that straightened out in a couple of years, we are going to struggle against people like South Carolina and Alabama.

If he can field a competitive O line by his 5th year, imagine what'll happen in year 8 or 9. Perhaps a win against a western division team. <div>
</div><div>I'm only being so sarcastic to drive home how silly your post sounds.</div>

Not every coach walks into a situation like Nutts with a ready-made team. Most coaches walk into rebuilding jobs when a team has been losing. But as we clearly see, once Nutts lost the main core of talent- his teams have gone into the tank. Mullen, on the other hand, has gotten the talent level to the point where we can stay bowl eligible- and work on taking the next step to beating a top 15 team. <div>
</div><div>And not being able to see things like that- is why your program will remain in the SEC basement with constant coaching turnover every few years</div>

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

...until we get some offensive line help, every pass should be out of the QB's hands by the count of three. Also, why doesn't Mullen roll the QB's out? Relf is a threat to run, and Russell has the arm to make a strong throw if someone's open on the other side of the field. Putting them back flatfooted 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage is a recipe for disaster.

 

[jackstefano]

still have a sense of humor. I'm sure that top 15 win is right around the corner, maybe by year 6 haha.

 

[State82]

You do realize Mullen has had exactly TWO classes of which he was the sole architect. The Feb. '09 class was put together by Croom. So, yes, any idiot should be able to see that in a couple years, he will have had four classes that are his own. After that, he is fair game to whatever comes his way with regard to criticism on talent level at any position.

 

[patdog]

I'm sure that top 15 win is right around the corner.

Just like I'm sure that top 100 win is right around the corner for you.

 

[jackstefano]

I'm sure that top 15 win is right around the corner.

Just like I'm sure that top 100 win is right around the corner for you.

Not so sure about that pat. But I hear ya. It is not lost on me that y'all at once suck and are light years ahead of OM.

 

[klerushund]

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</div><div>5. Controversial call #1- bringing in Relf on 2nd and 5 when we were driving. I understand why Mullen did it- he is thinking we can outnumber them in the box with Relf running the ball- and if he can get a couple of yards it will be 3rd and short- which is alot easier to convert. And also the thinking there is that if you have 3rd and short, you have 2 plays to pick up the yardage. That is WHY he did it. I personally wouldnt have done it because we had a little rhythm going. Now, it's only a bad decision because it didnt work- had Relf picked up 3-4 yard, then Mullen makes a great move. HOWEVER:</div><div>Where I think the 17-up really was was the next play. I think he was wrong leaving Relf in there on 3rd and 5- and not bringing Russell back in. That was a coaching mistake. It wasnt a mistake on 2nd down- just a decision that didnt work out- but I think leaving Relf in on 3rd down was a coaching mistake.</div><div>
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Two things... <div>
</div><div>1. Why not bring in Relf after the Lawrence interception? If you're going to use him, isn't that the best time (1st & Goal from the 5)?</div><div>2. It was the the WRONG call to bring him in on 2nd & 5, even if it had worked. You stay with a hot hand, and we were moving the ball. No need to switch it up. If it had been 3rd and short, maybe that's a good call, but Mullen out thought himself right there. He's not a bad coach, but he's not immune to bad calls and that was a bad one.</div>

 

[fishwater99]

Mullen will never lose to TSUN. He said it and I think he believes it.

You Bears have lost to LATech, UK, and Vandy this year.. Let that sink in.....

I personally can't wait until LSU hangs 50+ on your *** Saturday....

Good Luck with that coaching search, no coach in their right mind would want to take that career killer job...

 

[Chuck Cunningham]

When Carmon jumped offsides twice, he was taken out of the game. If (when) Brandon Maye misses a couple of tackles, you sit his ***.<div>
</div><div>Sometimes you need to sit players to get their heads on straight, in any position. Then you add in the fact that he's a kicker, who are mostly headcases anyway (that's for you, DS) and I thought it was fine to sit him. Dan simply took a good opportunity to do it since we were on the left hash and it made some sense to let Egan try it.</div><div>
</div><div>It wasn't that big a head-scratcher to me.</div>

 

[Coach34]

Pizza Man hasnt been kicking worth a ****- he is 60% for the season- thats not good

 

[Chuck Cunningham]

I kicked that little turd's *** on a regular basis while we were growing up, but you let some other sumbitch at school say something bad about him and I'm taking that guy out.<div>
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[FISHDAWG]

do you see any help coming from the redshirt ranks that might turn around some of these close losses we've had this year (speaking about next year )</p>

 

[vandaldawg]

nm

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Please keep doing the Sunday/Monday morning QB. I appreciate your football insight.

 

[digdawg]

<p style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 1in; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1; mso-add-space: auto" class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><font size="3" face="Calibri">You </font>blame Croom for the OL problems, but credit Wilson for the defensive play.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If 10 out of 11 defensive starters were committed or signed by Croom, doesn’t he deserve a huge amount of credit for the defense?</span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt">Second, as to it taking until an OL player’s 3rd season to really be ready to play SEC football, well, I guess that Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Bobby Petrino have all failed recruiting well, because the truth is that Auburn, Alabama, South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee and Arkansas all have at least two starters that are sophomores or freshman starting on their OL.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So, whose fault is that?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The problem with our Mullen OL recruits are not very good.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The other problems with our OL right now is that our offense scheme has totally changed and these guys are being asked to block plays that they haven’t practiced and played enough.</span></p>

</p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>4.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You are right, Tyler has excellent protection on a number of plays where he took the sack because he took too long to get rid of the ball.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Those sacks were on him, not the OL.</span></p>

</p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt">5.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> The insertion of Relf </span>was a bad call because it was too predictable.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Once Relf came in, everyone knew the play was going to be a QB run or an option run.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Which it was, and Alabama knew it.</span></p>

</p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt">6.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The fourth down call by Mullen was a poor decision.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It was a desperation decision that told his team that he didn’t believe that they could beat Alabama.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Our defense was shutting down Alabama for most of the game.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You said how well they were playing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Given how our offense was playing, it was highly unlikely we were going to convert a 4th and 7.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We barely converted any third downs.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We gave Alabama momentum and great field position and it was game over after that.</span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>7.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I hope you didn’t call Croom or Sherrill a bad coach, then, when his OL didn’t block people.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The truth is that Mullen is relying on Croom’s players because he hasn’t recruited any better ones to take their place.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The play calling was terrible on Saturday.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It really was.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Our offensive potential is better than 130 yards of<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>total offense against Alabama.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We were lost in our formations.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We were trying so many new formations and gimmicks that we never just consistently hit Alabama with bread and butter plays that work. I think we used more pistol formation than anything else on Saturday.</span></p><p style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> As far as being a "helluva lot closer than we were just 2 years ago. If we can get some juco OL guys and the young ones improve- we will be pretty salty again next season. Thats what we want- a competitive program- which is what we have rarely had."</span></p>

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</p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri">Don’t see that at all.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You win with players.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What makes you believe that Mullen has recruited players that can play as well as Croom’s players have since 2008?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We certainly haven’t seen the results on the field becauseMullen's players aren’t even making the field.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I think Mullen jumps ship after this year or the next, because he sees the writing on the wall.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>After next year, most of Croom’s guys are gone.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Can’t see the defense being very good after that, or certainly any proof of it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We’ve got to build OL players from HS, and Mullen hasn’t done that at all.</font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Sorry, I want to beat Bama and LSU. Croom did beat Bama twice out of five tries even though he had inferior talent.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> He beat Auburn with inferior talent. </span>The talent is much better now than when Croom beat Bama twice because his best recruits were later and they are now older. Why can’t Mullen do that?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Here is why – because his recruiting has been so poor we don’t have standout freshman and true sophomores on this team.</font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"></p>

<font face="Calibri"></font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.75in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri">As to going to a bowl – it is only because we now play the easiest out of conference schedule in the SEC.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is ridiculous.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>With Croom’s OOC schedule, we wouldn’t be bowling this year for example.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Our out of conference schedule is a joke.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>KY and OM will be the best wins on our schedule – and they are horrible. Horrible. </font></p>

 

[Coach34]

A) Croom does get some credit for the talent on D- but Mullen had to close alot of those players because they were seriously thinking of jumping ship after another losing season by Crooms. But Wilson gets alot of credit too because we are better on defense than we ever were under Crooms. Rick Stansbury agrees that it doesnt matter how much talent you have if you cant coach it. And I dont think Whitley was recruited by Crooms was he? Giving Crooms credit for players he never coached for a day is kinda dumb- you gonna give Shula alot of credit for setting Saban up?<div>
</div><div>B) Comparing the Bama teams they have now to what Crooms played is a f'ing joke. Thats all anybody needs to reply to that.</div><div>
</div><div>C) Florida, Tenn, and Auburn are all in danger of not having a winning season because they have been playing young guys on the OL- there is a correlation there- hope you can see it. Alabama and LSU- the two top rushing teams in the SEC- both had 8 out of 10 on the 2-deep as Jr's and Sr's. See the how football works? 2010 SEC rushing champion Auburn- started 4 Sr's last year</div><div>
</div><div>D) 4th down call was a good call- ball has got to be caught. Only an idiot would disagree. Saban went for it at midfield and didnt make it either- nobody is talking about how he should have punted. It's the coaches job to put the players in position to make plays- and Green was in position- he has to make that catch to play winning football.</div><div>
</div><div>E) Mullen has and is building a solid team for the future- we have some good young players, and thank goodness these guys havent had to play as Freshmen. I look forward to watching Prescott, Nick Griffen, Perkins, Malcolm Johnson, Jameon Lewis, and others in the future. Defensively- we've got some good young talent that just cant get on the field because of the older guys playing ahead of them.</div><div>
</div><div>F) Mullen is not leaving State unless he gets a top 10 program job. Until then, be glad we dont have a Sylvester Crooms in charge of the program making us look inept, stupid, and has us home during the bowl season.</div>

 

[digdawg]

A) Croom does get some credit for the talent on D- but Mullen had to close alot of those players because they were seriously thinking of jumping ship after another losing season by Crooms. But Wilson gets alot of credit too because we are better on defense than we ever were under Crooms. Rick Stansbury agrees that it doesnt matter how much talent you have if you cant coach it. And I dont think Whitley was recruited by Crooms was he? Giving Crooms credit for players he never coached for a day is kinda dumb- you gonna give Shula alot of credit for setting Saban up?<div>
</div><div>B) Comparing the Bama teams they have now to what Crooms played is a f'ing joke. Thats all anybody needs to reply to that.</div><div>
</div><div>C) Florida, Tenn, and Auburn are all in danger of not having a winning season because they have been playing young guys on the OL- there is a correlation there- hope you can see it. Alabama and LSU- the two top rushing teams in the SEC- both had 8 out of 10 on the 2-deep as Jr's and Sr's. See the how football works? 2010 SEC rushing champion Auburn- started 4 Sr's last year</div><div>
</div><div>D) 4th down call was a good call- ball has got to be caught. Only an idiot would disagree. Saban went for it at midfield and didnt make it either- nobody is talking about how he should have punted. It's the coaches job to put the players in position to make plays- and Green was in position- he has to make that catch to play winning football.</div><div>
</div><div>E) Mullen has and is building a solid team for the future- we have some good young players, and thank goodness these guys havent had to play as Freshmen. I look forward to watching Prescott, Nick Griffen, Perkins, Malcolm Johnson, Jameon Lewis, and others in the future. Defensively- we've got some good young talent that just cant get on the field because of the older guys playing ahead of them.</div><div>
</div><div>F) Mullen is not leaving State unless he gets a top 10 program job. Until then, be glad we dont have a Sylvester Crooms in charge of the program making us look inept, stupid, and has us home during the bowl season.</div>

A) Whitley committed to Croom six months before Mullen was hired, in June. Yeah, I believe that all previous coaches get credit for the players they recruited. For example, Croom does not get credit for Jerious Norwood because he didn't sign him. Nor does Nutt get credit for O's recruits. We have a great defense this year, but we had a really good defense on some of the Croom teams too. Again, these are Croom's recruits on defense.<div> B) Yes, but those Bama teams were more talented than MSU's teams then, too.</div><div> C) I completely agree with having experience and jr. and sr. on the offensive line is preferred. My point was that Arkansas and Alabama and South Carolina and Georgia (as well as the other teams I listed) have two sophomore or freshman on their each of their OLs. As well as those teams that are not doing as well this year. Most every team in the SEC, good and bad, has at least two sophomores or freshmen on their OLs. Hopefully you recruit a freshman that is good enough to start as either a sophomore or freshman every year, because every coach, even Saban, apparently misses on some OL recruits.</div><div> D) I watched the game on ESPN. Todd Blackledge knows a ton about football, and before the play was run, he didn't think it was a good idea for MSU to be going for it there. Guess he is an idiot. Saban went for it on fourth and two inches, which is a 95% success play.</div><div> E) I hope the talent on the bench is as good as you describe. But I'm surprised that almost none that Mullen has recruited on D are good enough to get in front of some of the Croom recruits. If they are better, they should be on the field as already. LSU has five starting players on defense that are sophomores or freshmen, in contrast. </div><div> F) Croom didn't make us look inept and stupid when we beat Bama and Auburn in the same year and improved dramatically the program from what he took over from Sherrill. Again, you must agree that we are only reason we are going to a bowl game this year is because the AD has changed our OOC schedule to make it as easy as possible - too easy by any other SEC team standards. Again, I hope that you are right about the talent that Mullen is stockpiling and is not on the line. But given that Mullen's season last year, and the defense this year, is based upon Croom's recruits to an incredibly high level, I have seen no evidence that his players are going to do well. Yet.</div><div> Mullen had two years to get two good replacements so far on the OL. After Tobias (croom commitment) went down, Carmon and Day have not been great. Not being able to find two OL good enough to start in two years of recruiting is not good in my opinion.

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[Todd4State]

will have Ole Miss as a top ten team by then as well.

I guess we're screwed.

Yeah- us having better talent and more experience was a really silly point to make.

Thanks for correcting me on that.

 

[Todd4State]

Has ever said that Croom shouldn't get any credit for recruiting the defense. That doesn't give him a pass for recruiting crappy o-linemen.

And any MSU fan that bitches about our schedule and going 6-6 just kills me.

If we're going to build a winning program, we're going to have to go to bowls. It doesn't matter if it's the ***** Bowl in Baton Rouge. Why? Because of the exposure and the extra practice as well as the money that the school gets is better than playing someone like West Virginia on some random day in Oct. that no one gives a crap about.

You go to bowls and recruits see that, and think that you are a good team, and eventually you build from there. And once we win 8 games consistently, then bring on the other BCS teams.

And this schedule gives us a better chance to win in the SEC as well- we can rest people and play people, thus building depth when we play people like UT-Martin and Memphis, which we can't do playing Georgia Tech right now.

And why are you even complaining about our schedule? We played Alabama and LSU at home. Who else do you want? Green Bay? Heck, La Tech is going to a bowl and they may even win their conference.