Anybody catch that pro bowl draft last night? Ugh, an hour of my life that I will never get back.
Super Bowl 50 Thread
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-You can't use the weak division argument with Brady because he has the most playoff wins EVER.
-The year that Matt Cassel filled in for Brady was one of the Pats better teams, aside from Brady being out. If Tom stays healthy they probably win it that year.
Without looking, I think the year Brady was out the Pats still finished 11-5.
The year Manning was out the Colts finished 2-14.
The epicenter in New England, around which all else revolves and depends, is Bill Belichick. The epicenter for which ever team Manning has played for has, until this year, always been Manning. I agree with what Ernie Accorsi and Rodney Harrison and several others have said: in the playoffs, Manning has always been under extreme pressure because he knows whether or not his team wins falls almost completely on his shoulders. He knows he can't rely on his defense or his coaching staff. Harrison said, if he'd played for NE, he wouldn't have been in that position. Some other NFL defensive back a couple of years ago - forget who - tweeted that if Manning had been paired with Bellichick, they'd have 8 rings. .......
The year Manning was out the Colts finished 2-14.
The epicenter in New England, around which all else revolves and depends, is Bill Belichick. The epicenter for which ever team Manning has played for has, until this year, always been Manning. I agree with what Ernie Accorsi and Rodney Harrison and several others have said: in the playoffs, Manning has always been under extreme pressure because he knows whether or not his team wins falls almost completely on his shoulders. He knows he can't rely on his defense or his coaching staff. Harrison said, if he'd played for NE, he wouldn't have been in that position. Some other NFL defensive back a couple of years ago - forget who - tweeted that if Manning had been paired with Bellichick, they'd have 8 rings. .......
if he's going to get credit for being a football computer when he changes to run plays at the line, then didn't he do a remarkably **** job of setting protections against seattle two years ago?
Blah blah blah. Excuses
Brady got embarrassed and knocked out of the playoffs by a manning AGAIN. Get over it
I'm not a patriots fan. I'm just smart enough to understand the goat when I see it. Maybe you should get over that. Peyton will finish his career with one (1) ring compared to Toms Four(4)+. How many times has Peyton been knocked out as the #1 seed?
No questioning either of their greatness though. Both top 5 QB no matter how you spin it
No questioning either of their greatness though. Both top 5 QB no matter how you spin it
Someone early in the thread said look up Brady's road playoff record... it is 3-4. For some perspective, here are some other QB's playoff road records.
Peyton Manning 2-5, Joe Montana 2-5, Dre Brees 1-4, Aaron Rodgers 4-4, Eli Manning 5-1, Ben Roethlisberger 4-2, Kurt Warner 1-2, Dan Marino 1-6, Brett Favre 3-7, Terry Bradshaw 2-3, Steve Young 0-3, Troy Aikman 1-3, John Elway 3-2, Phil Simms 1-3, Andrew Luck 1-3
Playing on the road in the playoffs generally means you are playing a better team.
Peyton Manning 2-5, Joe Montana 2-5, Dre Brees 1-4, Aaron Rodgers 4-4, Eli Manning 5-1, Ben Roethlisberger 4-2, Kurt Warner 1-2, Dan Marino 1-6, Brett Favre 3-7, Terry Bradshaw 2-3, Steve Young 0-3, Troy Aikman 1-3, John Elway 3-2, Phil Simms 1-3, Andrew Luck 1-3
Playing on the road in the playoffs generally means you are playing a better team.
Don't care about superbowl rings, that's a team stat, not an individual one. Seeing how much the NFL protects QB's now, I will never safely say that Brady OR Manning are the GOAT. There were at least 3 games this year that Brady would have been taken out on a stretcher.
ANd in fairness to them, and defense of the argument, what happens in 20 years from now, when you can't touch a QB and they play an extra 5 years passing for 4-500 yards every game? Will we say that guy is the GOAT because of better numbers and longevity?
ANd in fairness to them, and defense of the argument, what happens in 20 years from now, when you can't touch a QB and they play an extra 5 years passing for 4-500 yards every game? Will we say that guy is the GOAT because of better numbers and longevity?
Ok, so I guess I'll stick with who I have thought all along Joe Montana. Dude was 4-0 in the Super Bowl and was the best player on his team, even when his team was the best in the league.
The money is all going to Carolina. The line opened at 4 and already moved up to 6.
That's one of the faster ever line moves I've seen which means something.
Personally I think Denver has a nice defense that will make it a bit hard slugging for the Panthers for a while but the are much better equipped to handle the Bronco pass rush then NE was, and Newton's mobility makes it even harder for them to get pressures. The Panther receivers are underrated and Stewart & Tolbert are beasts. The Panther offense should be able to score some points.
OTOH Denver offense looked anemic most of the year and I don't see that changing. Hillman is one of the worst backs in lead and will get next to nothing, Anderson may break off a decent run or two at times, Damarous Thomas can't catch a cold, leaving Emanuel Sanders as their on reliable weapon besides the TE. Add it up and I don't really see how the Broncos will be able to get much done on the offensive side.
Panthers: 27
Broncos: 10
That's one of the faster ever line moves I've seen which means something.
Personally I think Denver has a nice defense that will make it a bit hard slugging for the Panthers for a while but the are much better equipped to handle the Bronco pass rush then NE was, and Newton's mobility makes it even harder for them to get pressures. The Panther receivers are underrated and Stewart & Tolbert are beasts. The Panther offense should be able to score some points.
OTOH Denver offense looked anemic most of the year and I don't see that changing. Hillman is one of the worst backs in lead and will get next to nothing, Anderson may break off a decent run or two at times, Damarous Thomas can't catch a cold, leaving Emanuel Sanders as their on reliable weapon besides the TE. Add it up and I don't really see how the Broncos will be able to get much done on the offensive side.
Panthers: 27
Broncos: 10
Agree with most of what you have said defense, but Demaryius Thomas is and has been a top 3-5 receiver in the NFL for the past 3-4 years.
Panthers should win and I think that they will. However, in the SB I have seen much bigger upsets and it happens more then I would ever think.
2013 Ravens, 49ers were the baddest team in the NFL, a lot like Carolina this year.
2011 Packers, thought Pittsburgh was going to smash them, Aaron Rodgers became a household name
2015 Pats, thought Seattl was going back to back, and were 1-2 Lunch rushes away
2008, 2012 Giants - one ruined a perfect season, the other shifted the Manning balance of power
2001 Pats, That was a Rams team favored by 14.5
2000 Rams, only time I saw my Titans in a SB, and they were the best team in the NFL all year
91 Redskins, really only time in the 90's that an upset happened
I was only 9 in 91, other the the 49ers wins, first time I watched the full game with interest, hooked after that.
2013 Ravens, 49ers were the baddest team in the NFL, a lot like Carolina this year.
2011 Packers, thought Pittsburgh was going to smash them, Aaron Rodgers became a household name
2015 Pats, thought Seattl was going back to back, and were 1-2 Lunch rushes away
2008, 2012 Giants - one ruined a perfect season, the other shifted the Manning balance of power
2001 Pats, That was a Rams team favored by 14.5
2000 Rams, only time I saw my Titans in a SB, and they were the best team in the NFL all year
91 Redskins, really only time in the 90's that an upset happened
I was only 9 in 91, other the the 49ers wins, first time I watched the full game with interest, hooked after that.
Don't care either way, but am kind of pulling for the Panthers to win just to watch curmudgeonly old whitey lose his mind because the dancin' QB won a ring over the noodle armed legend.
The celebration stuff doesn't bother me. I like it. Hell, I rooted for Chad Johnson for a decade including one year with him and TO on the same team.
Cam dances. D-linemen dance after making routine tackles on first down. Running backs point and shimmy after gaining a yard to pick up a first down. DBs skip around making elaborate "incomplete pass" gestures after a ball sails over everyone's head. Aaron Rogers acts like he's got a rasslin' belt when he scores. Who cares? It's entertainment. Have fun with it . One of my other pastimes is pro wrestling. I always like the heels. Cam is "working" the ish out of the traditionalists just like an old time bad guy would do whatever to make the crowd hate him.
I also don't mind Denver winning because Manning and his forehead would finally retire and Danny Trevathan will get a ring.
The celebration stuff doesn't bother me. I like it. Hell, I rooted for Chad Johnson for a decade including one year with him and TO on the same team.
Cam dances. D-linemen dance after making routine tackles on first down. Running backs point and shimmy after gaining a yard to pick up a first down. DBs skip around making elaborate "incomplete pass" gestures after a ball sails over everyone's head. Aaron Rogers acts like he's got a rasslin' belt when he scores. Who cares? It's entertainment. Have fun with it . One of my other pastimes is pro wrestling. I always like the heels. Cam is "working" the ish out of the traditionalists just like an old time bad guy would do whatever to make the crowd hate him.
I also don't mind Denver winning because Manning and his forehead would finally retire and Danny Trevathan will get a ring.
Indeed. But Brady's W-L record is primarily about him at home. He's 14-3 at home and 3-4 on the road (1-4 since the core 2001-2004 team largely moved on, while he's 11-3 at home in that time frame).
Peyton was a #1 seed in 2005 (lost first game on Vanderjagt missed 44 yard field goal), 2009 (lost SB), 2012 (lost first game in double OT to Joe Flacco, Best Road QB of All-Time), 2013 (lost SB to Seattle), 2015 (? in SB)
Brady was a #1 seed in 2003 (won SB), 2007 (lost SB, helmet catch game), 2010 (lost first game 28-21 to the Jets), 2011 (lost SB to Giants), 2014 (won SB)
Not a lot of difference, really. Peyton has 1 extra first round loss and less RINGZ and QB WINZ, though. Would be interesting to see a better breakdown by point spread or something.
That Redskins team is probably top 5 of all-time. Washington was favored by 7.
Leaning this way myself. Either is fine, but the narrative, ugh. At least we're in the age of podcasts so I can be selective about getting my sports analysis and commentary.
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Whitey, right here. I don't give a rat's *** what kind of dancing Cam is doing. If it's on the sidelines, he can put on a damned puppet show for all I care. This is just another ginned up "racial" controversy by the media, in this case to pump SB ratings for a game that smells like a blowout.
What even started this? The butthurt Seattle fan (female, I think?) that wrote a letter?
Rooting for Manning, just so he can go out on top, and to make it an interesting game. Broncos will have to play mistake-free, and hope the Panthers have a couple TO... even with that, I still think Carolina wins by 10+ points.
BTW, back then I loved Chad/Ocho. Still do.
Started a discussion the other day with a friend on "Worst Super Bowl experiences" and included on and off the field stuff from players.
What I got was
Eugene Robinson- Just after winning an award for "best character", he gets busted with a prostitute the night before Super Bowl 33.
Scott Norwood- Based Ace Ventura off this guy
Barrett Robbins- Got so effed up after not taking his depression medication that he just vanished before the Super Bowl.
Leon Lett- Maybe doesn't belong but he embarrassed himself after Don BeBe made him pay for celebrating too early
Can't think of anything else right now. What do you guys got? Not sure if Ray Lewis counts for the whole murder thing since he wasn't in the Super Bowl.
What I got was
Eugene Robinson- Just after winning an award for "best character", he gets busted with a prostitute the night before Super Bowl 33.
Scott Norwood- Based Ace Ventura off this guy
Barrett Robbins- Got so effed up after not taking his depression medication that he just vanished before the Super Bowl.
Leon Lett- Maybe doesn't belong but he embarrassed himself after Don BeBe made him pay for celebrating too early
Can't think of anything else right now. What do you guys got? Not sure if Ray Lewis counts for the whole murder thing since he wasn't in the Super Bowl.
Head:
Carolina 30
Denver 14
Am sooooooo hoping Denver pulls off a miracle though
Heart:
Denver 27
Carolina 24
Carolina 30
Denver 14
Am sooooooo hoping Denver pulls off a miracle though
Heart:
Denver 27
Carolina 24
Love the intro with most of the past Super Bowl MVPs. Cool stuff. Couple players, especially Tom Brady, were booed.
I love the momentum Cam has picked up! Sadly he is losing this one regardless.
If there was ever a go out on top guy, it's Peyton. What makes it so amazing is it is in an underdog role, 10 years ago not one person could have predicted this ending to his career.
If there was ever a go out on top guy, it's Peyton. What makes it so amazing is it is in an underdog role, 10 years ago not one person could have predicted this ending to his career.
It was fixed for Denver when 5+ million rolled in on Carolina and Vegas barely moved the line.
Tip of football hit the ground. No way a catch. Too many flags on Denver to call it a fix at this point.
Cam is nervous, that is the reason for the high passes. Also, anyone calling this one a fix at this point is watching with Carolina blue tinted glasses.
Carolina tinted glasses? Bud I'm close to having over 500 on the line for Denver.
Picked Denver before playoffs at 4.5/1, and have several other bets at every line available in this game.
Your right it's probably not fixed, but Denver is winning this one!
Picked Denver before playoffs at 4.5/1, and have several other bets at every line available in this game.
Your right it's probably not fixed, but Denver is winning this one!
How is the fix in for Denver? The non catch was a non catch. The tip of the football looked like it touched the ground. Indisputable proof must be present to overturn an officials call. You could argue the hit on Thomas was helmet to helmet and could have been called for 15 yards.