Super Bulldog Weekend, who's ready

[FreeDawg]

I refuse to let this recruiting stuff rain on my excitement regarding our football team. Already got the room booked. Ready for bourbonand Davis Wade Stadium. Can't wait to see the develoments at these positions:
RB- what will perry look like
QB-dak or dylan qb of the future? (sorry tr)
LT- carmon or robinson?
LB-bohanna and skinner, what ya got
DE-who is developing?
CB- do we even have backups

I know this is early, but recruiting season is making me sick

 

[FreeDawg]

I refuse to let this recruiting stuff rain on my excitement regarding our football team. Already got the room booked. Ready for bourbonand Davis Wade Stadium. Can't wait to see the develoments at these positions:
RB- what will perry look like
QB-dak or dylan qb of the future? (sorry tr)
LT- carmon or robinson?
LB-bohanna and skinner, what ya got
DE-who is developing?
CB- do we even have backups

I know this is early, but recruiting season is making me sick

 

[FreeDawg]

I refuse to let this recruiting stuff rain on my excitement regarding our football team. Already got the room booked. Ready for bourbonand Davis Wade Stadium. Can't wait to see the develoments at these positions:
RB- what will perry look like
QB-dak or dylan qb of the future? (sorry tr)
LT- carmon or robinson?
LB-bohanna and skinner, what ya got
DE-who is developing?
CB- do we even have backups

I know this is early, but recruiting season is making me sick

 

[Goat Holder II]

First of all, he and Relf are the first QBs we've had in ten years who can actually hit a wide open receiver. And it took Relf 4 years to develop into an SEC player. It will take Prescott just as long, Favre maybe longer if he even has 'it' to begin with. Let's use our brains a bit here.

Russell will start for us in 2012 and 2013.

 

[FreeDawg]

I wouldlike to see tr take over and play lights out. He just had a deer in the headlights look to me. I would love to be wrong as hell on this one

 

[GTAdawg]

Russell will start for us in 2012 and 2013.

Somebodybook it. We got a garauntee on our hands here.

 

[dawgatUSM]

Give the guy a little break. He stepped into Death Valley, on a night game, and on his first drive led the team about 80 yards for a TD drive, and was pinpoint on all of his throws on that drive. Then, the offensive line started breaking down, and things went south.<div>
</div><div>All that to say this, give him time. I make no bones about the fact that Relf is our man next season... But don't write TR off just yet.</div>

 

[Goat Holder II]

nm

 

[Coach34]

First of all, he and Relf are the first QBs we've had in ten years who can actually hit a wide open receiver. And it took Relf 4 years to develop into an SEC player. It will take Prescott just as long, Favre maybe longer if he even has 'it' to begin with. Let's use our brains a bit here.

Russell will start for us in 2012 and 2013.

Prescott is probably a better passer than Relf right now and runs the ball better than Russell. What he doesnt have is experience against SEC competition and maturity.
I havent seen Farvuh- but I do know the coaches are very high on him. He makes plays every time he has a chance to.

I'd say it's 50/50 at best Russell is the QB in 2012...probably 60/40 he wont be.

I cant wait for Spring reports on the QB development. Easily the best group of QB's we have had on campus at State

 

[Goat Holder II]

Prescott is probably a better passer than Relf right now and runs the ball better than Russell. What he doesnt have is experience against SEC competition and maturity.
I havent seen Farvuh- but I do know the coaches are very high on him. He makes plays every time he has a chance to. <span style="font-weight: bold;">So, this is a whole bunch of nothing. At least I have plays on the field to back up my assumption.</span>

I'd say it's 50/50 at best Russell is the QB in 2012...probably 60/40 he wont be. <span style="font-weight: bold;">A 50/50 chance makes me flat out wrong?</span>

I cant wait for Spring reports on the QB development. Easily the best group of QB's we have had on campus at State

C.J. will be a bulldawg after he +%$$* a bunch of white girls at TSUN.

Calling people wrong is laughable from you.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..thinks Mullen can suddenly abandon a spread/option QB, insert a pure drop back passer, & keep winning @ MSU.

Unless Prescott is a huge bust, or suffers a career-ending injury, he is the future QB @ MSU. Not Tyler Russell.

 

[Goat Holder II]

You're an idiot if you buy that line (forget who I'm talking to). If you can't find a use for a prototypical QB with talent, you aren't much of a coach. Pretty sure Rich Rod still wishes Ryan Mallett was still around when he got to Michigan.

Dak effing Prescott in 18 years old. So, instead of annointing the back up QB to be the savior like we usually do at MSU, we skip a few and go straight to the guy coming out of high school. Got it. Dumbshit.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...I'll be glad when Goat Holder III arrives on the scene.


Maybe Goat Holder III will not be as much of an unhinged jackass as Goat Holder I & Goat Holder II.

 

[Todd4State]

It's same old same old. Now Dak is "the real deal" and by this time next year, people will probably say that whoever Dan brings in will be "the real deal" and we'll be talking about Dak moving to TE or transferring.

And then rinse and repeat the next year.

 

[msumhsfan]

Our fanbase is stupid when it comes to QB's

 

[GTAdawg]

we don't expect anything out of that actually turn out to be good too. Examples: Wayne Madkin, Chris Relf, and the true dark horse Michael Henig (sorry, typo on that last name there, my bad).

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..Prescott is the "real deal."

All I know is Prescott, like Relf, will be the guy to get you critical yardage scrambling, or by running a QB draw, or by being a legit running threat in the option, or by forcing a defense to adjust their defensive scheme to the threat of a running QB.


Russell meets none of this criteria.


I you truly believe Russell is going to step in & become our version of Eli Manning, then you are free to dream that dream.

 

[Coach34]

is actually the right fit for our offense. Russell is not.

We now have a guy that can throw the football AND run in Prescott. And Mullen wanted him enrolled to go through Spring because Prescott is going to be the QB sooner, rather than later. Early enrollees at QB dont usually redshirt- remember that. And if Prescott isnt going to redshirt, then he is probably going to take the job.

 

[Coach34]

Give the guy a little break. He stepped into Death Valley, on a night game, and on his first drive led the team about 80 yards for a TD drive, and was pinpoint on all of his throws on that drive. Then, the offensive line started breaking down, and things went south.<div>
</div><div>All that to say this, give him time. I make no bones about the fact that Relf is our man next season... But don't write TR off just yet.</div>

He took over for Relf on the LSU 48 yard line after Relf had run for a 1st down and gotten hurt. He led a good drive- but it was only 48 yards- not 80...

Then he promptly threw 3 picks once they started blitzing

 

[MSUDawg25]

If I'm not mistaken, Mullen has said that he will mold the offensive scheme to suit our personnel. It may be a speedbump to go from a running QB to a pure passer, but it would be dumb to bench an overall more talented player just to keep the same scheme. I don't know that Tyler will be the more talented QB in two years, but if he is the better all-around player, he will be the starter.

 

[Coach34]

Prescott is going to be the better player for our offense. He can run and throw- he is what you saw out of Relf the last 3 games. Russell may be able to throw the football, but the running threat just isnt there.

 

[MSUDawg25]

I don't necessarily disagree with you here. I know nearly nothing about prescott. If he is the all-around better player, he will start. I was just saying that the idea that we have to have a running quarterback solely because we have that now is incorrect. We wouldn't bench Tom Brady because Mike Vick was our QB last year.

 

[anon1751035439]

Let's say Russell is better than Prescott at what they each do. What offense do you run? If Mullen said the offense will be geared to the talent at hand, would you start Russell? It appears so, if his alleged statement was only about the talent at the QB position.

This will be interesting. I look forward to keeping up with you all debating this going forward.

 

[Coach34]

I don't necessarily disagree with you here. I know nearly nothing about prescott. If he is the all-around better player, he will start. I was just saying that the idea that we have to have a running quarterback solely because we have that now is incorrect. We wouldn't bench Tom Brady because Mike Vick was our QB last year.

The QB position at Miss State now is for a player that is mobile. That is not going to change. Now I dont think we want a QB carrying it 15 times a game like Ralph does- but we definitely want one that can run it 7-10 times a game.

Any advantage Russell may have over Prescott in the passing game is immediately negated because of the way Prescott can run the football. All Prescott has to do is be close to being as good of a passer as Russell, because his legs advantage is going to win him the job.

Mullen brought Russell in because he had no other options at QB, and we were short on QB's at State. We had a midget and that was it. Carroll was leaving. Mullen was desperate for a QB. Of course he is going to say he will change the offense to suit the QB- he cant say anything different or Russell would transfer. Now we are better off and if he transfers, its ok.

 

[Coach34]

]Let's say Russell is better than Prescott at what they each do[/b]. What offense do you run? If Mullen said the offense will be geared to the talent at hand, would you start Russell? It appears so, if his alleged statement was only about the talent at the QB position.

This will be interesting. I look forward to keeping up with you all debating this going forward.

Russell is not a better runner than Prescott. All you have to do is watch some Prescott highlights to see that.

 

[Todd4State]

Let's say Russell is better than Prescott at what they each do. What offense do you run? If Mullen said the offense will be geared to the talent at hand, would you start Russell? It appears so, if his alleged statement was only about the talent at the QB position.



This will be interesting. I look forward to keeping up with you all debating this going forward.

I would think you would start Tyler because of experience. I said IF because I don't know if that's the case or not.

As far as what offense we run- it's going to be the spread no matter what. It's just that with Tyler it would be more passing and with Dak it would be more running. It's a balanced offense- or has the potential to be- so that gives us some leeway with our players, which is good because I don't think it's a real great idea to tell a QB that's a good player "we're not going to recruit you at all because we don't think you fit our offense" and then let them go off somewhere and kick our ***.

What we saw the last three games- I think that's more of what Dan wants, which is balance. At the end of the year, we could throw and run pretty effectively.

 

[anon1751035439]

You disagree with the other poster that said Mullen would base his offense on the talent at hand. Something that apparently Mullen actually did say.

You basically have said that since Prescott is more mobile than Russell he will start. Period. End of discussion. Nevermind that Russell was the best QB the state has produced in a very long time. I guess Eli, who wasn't as highly rated as Russell and even less mobile, would have ridden Mullen's bench. I guess I'm glad we had Cutcliffe back then. He could at least see that a freshman plays like a freshman. Perhaps you can not. I would hope, for your sake, Mullen can.

I guess I also learned from your post that Mullen lied to Russell to get him on campus. "Mullen was desperate for a QB. Of course he is going to say he will change the offense to suit the QB- he cant say anything different or Russell would transfer." Really? Is that what you think. I don't even believe that and I'm a Rebel.

 

[Sutterkane]

Leak averaged less than 1 yard per carry in his 2 years at Florida under Urb & Dan's system and they won a national title one of those years. Say what you will about Tebow coming in but Leak was the starter and also was the NCG MVP.

Tyler averaged almost 4.5 yards per carry this past year. That is more than good enough. Yes Dak and Relf are more suited to run the option but Tyler isn't dog meat when running it. I'd love to see us in 2012 running Tyler as the starter and Dak coming in for goal line packages regularly.

 

[Coach34]

You disagree with the other poster that said Mullen would base his offense on the talent at hand. Something that apparently Mullen actually did say.

You basically have said that since Prescott is more mobile than Russell he will start. Period. End of discussion. Nevermind that Russell was the best QB the state has produced in a very long time. I guess Eli, who wasn't as highly rated as Russell and even less mobile, would have ridden Mullen's bench. I guess I'm glad we had Cutcliffe back then. He could at least see that a freshman plays like a freshman. Perhaps you can not. I would hope, for your sake, Mullen can.

I guess I also learned from your post that Mullen lied to Russell to get him on campus. "Mullen was desperate for a QB. Of course he is going to say he will change the offense to suit the QB- he cant say anything different or Russell would transfer." Really? Is that what you think. I don't even believe that and I'm a Rebel.

Mullen said when Russell was signed he would be given a chance to start. Russell supporters say he will take the job by the 3rd game of the season. Russell redshirts.

Spring 2010- Mullen says he will base the offense off the talent- Relf starts and we run the Spread Option just like Mullen likes. Russell plays some early, throws 3 picks at LSU when Ralph gets hurt, and Ralph takes over completely the rest of the season- Russell only gets mop-up duty.

Jan, 2011- Mullen requests dual-threat QB to enroll early to go through Spring practice. Prescott's stats are actually more impressive than Russell's coming out of HS.

"You basically have said that since Prescott is more mobile than Russell he will start"

I'm saying that the passing from both will be close, but the running wont- and that will put Prescott as the starter over Russell. Russell would have to be head and shoulders better than a QB that can also run to be the starting QB. He wont be head and shoulders above Prescott as a passer- if at all

 

[msubulldog0610]

I haven't posted in awhile but I follow this board daily. The thing that I agree with Coach is that people underestimate Dak's skills as a QB. Yes he is like Relf in the sense that he can run but he is a little smaller and probably quicker than Relf. He probably won't be able to run as much due to the fact he isn't as big and won't be able to take as many hits. The main thing people overlook is Dak threw for 5,032 yards and 66 TD's in two years with only 13INTs..Thats damn impressive for any QB, especially in LA with all the talented teams he played. He even had 951 yards and 17 TDs rushing this year. I think in all he had over 1200 yards rushing and near 25 TDs rushing for the last 2 years. Hell when he played Franklinton and Josh Robinson, he played with a torn MCL or something with a knee brace on and still freaking threw for like 400 yards and 5 TDs in the state semi loss to Franklinton, the eventual state champs. Also his passing yardage comes from practically only playing half of every game he played in the last 2 years. So its like he played 12 games not 24 games b/c they usually took him out in the 2nd half after he had destroyed the other teams. So for him to accumulate over 5,000 passing yards and 60TDs and over 1,000-1,200 (not sure exact number) yards rushing and 25 TDs, thats impressive as hell and I'm so glad we got this kid. He runs a 4.7 forty which is about as fast or faster than Relf but he is a very pure and accurate passer who can run. He is 6'3" 225 so only 15 pounds lighter than Relf. He can put on muscle. I think this kid is going to be a really GOOD one for MSU in the future..My sleepers are Dak Prescott and Josh Robinson in this class..

 

[anon1751035439]

Never said Russell was a better runner than Prescott. I was just putting out the suggestion that perhaps Russell was a better overall QB than Prescott.

 

[Coach34]

they didnt that 1st year when the offense struggled a little- what did they do to a 4 year starter in Leak when they got a mobile QB? They made him share time with a true freshman because he could run. And that Freshman played on crucial downs in short yardage and goalline situations.

Using Leak hurts your argument

And Russell had one long run vs Houston- whom we had 40 points on at halftime. Russell rushing yardage came in mop-up time...I mean damn, be sensible

 

[Coach34]

Never said Russell was a better runner than Prescott. I was just putting out the suggestion that perhaps Russell was a better overall QB than Prescott.

If he cant run as well, then that hurts alot. That is part of being the QB at State now. And Prescott threw for 5,000 yardsand 60 TD's in HS, he wasnt a wishbone QB.

 

[anon1751035439]

"Mullen said when Russell was signed he would be given a chance to start."

Even within this thread you are on record as saying that Mullen never intended to play Russell. If you want to go back on that feel free. That seems to be your game.

As far as what Russell supporters said about the third game I don't give a damn. That is not what this is about.

As far as the Spring of 2010, I refer back to my earlier post. You have a freshman QB with a lot of talent that makes mistakes in practice. It happens. But you don't completely discard him. Russell has a lot of potential. I agree that Relf should have been your starter this year. But when he was recruited you have to admit that with Russell's talents going in if he is not your starter next year you have to question what you all are doing with the development of your QBs. Like I said, even Cutcliffe did more with a lesser recruit.

The only explanation is that either Russell is not the signee you thought he was or Mullen lied about the fact he was going to run a system that fit that talent. Either one. You can choose which one.

 

[MeridianDog]

If he is healthy, he will get meaningful reps this year (assuming we aren't forced tofight our way through every game and I think we will be better that that). Next year he will start every game and will look better than many here give him credit. He will be as good as any we have had and we will be a throwing team. He can run the ball well enough to keep the D's honest. He just needs game savvy, which for a player like him or Relf only comes with experience. Hell this is the way with 99% of the guys who play college ball. Is he in that coveted 1%? No. Neither are most SEC QBs. That is what 1% means.

Give me a piece of that guarantee. I'll take the probabilities of going with Tyler.

 

[mcg62601]

somewhat of a mutually beneficial deal i would say

 

[cps36]

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[FISHDAWG]

factor into this equation...if our recvrs are mediocre, then I see a running type of QB...however if we sign and play some tall studs, then I could see a pocket-passing type QB. Dan knows these players and their capabilities much better than we do ... just trust him

 

[Coach34]

"Mullen said when Russell was signed he would be given a chance to start"

and he hasnt been able to do it. Now, here will be a 3-way battle for the back-up QB job this Spring. He has his hands full to hold on to that

 

[Coach34]

I wouldnt make that assumption and let it play out if I were you