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Todd4State

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1. I know Tyler Russell "isn't ready", but he's also the best we have, and I think probably our best chance of winning. I may change my mind tommorrow once I look up Georgia and how they do stopping the run vs. the pass. I feel sorry for Chris Relf in that it's not his fault that he played for some ghetto inner city school in Montgomery and then had McCorvey for a couple of years, and is now a junior with basically two years of coaching. That said, it is what it is, and we have to put the best player on the field, or who gives us the best chance of winning. And yes, I know Tyler threw three picks- one of which was a Death Valley special WTF did the DE really make that play? that always seems to happen against MSU in Baton Rouge. Chris Relf, regardless of my pity, does not have that magical "It" that people talk about with QB's. Tyler Russell at least has some of "It", I just think he needs to develop "It" a little more, and I think he will be fine.

2. The o-line is my biggest disappointment for me. Perhaps their "success" last year was plastic in that AD could do some of their work himself and make them look better. I don't think that they are poorly coached, although I am no o-line expert. I do think that they aren't tough enough. Which is a major indictment against them. And perhaps they lack talent to. They certainly got whipped today, and that is the most upsetting thing to me about the game. A couple of the INT's were because our QB's had a LSU defender in their face. Every week I read about how the o-line "is not happy with their performance and will do better next week". Well, it's put up time now boys. GET YOUR *** OUT THERE AND BLOW SOME PEOPLE UP. Stop saying you'll do it, and do it.

3. I didn't see very many drops today by the WR's that I can remember. That's encouraging. Perkins showed some promise. I do agree with rugb that Bumphis needs to step his game up. He needs to be "the guy". I saw Chad in high school. He has the ability to be special. But, he has to decide to take his game to the next level. And I don't know if he's thinking too much or trying to hard or what.

4. I thought the defense did OK. We held them to a lot of field goals, obviously. LSU had one long TD drive. That's an acceptable performance. Not great, not bad, but acceptable. For the second week in a row, they were hurt by a QB that can run and make plays with his legs. That sucks because we're back there and we can't get the guy down on the ground, and then LSU would keep the drive going and get a FG. I'm optomistic that with Georgia having less of a scrambling threat that the defense will be even better. I'd also like to see us create more turnovers. I have a hard time criticizing a defense about that, because I know that there is a degree of luck involved. Could we do better with our tackling? Sure. But again, it was an acceptable performance overall.

5. Special teams sucked again. Except for Heath Hutchins. Brauchle sucks as a kick off guy, and I can only assume that DePasqulae is worse? I think we need to start looking at other options there as far as the kick off guy- whether it be DePasquale or Heath Hutchins- because Brauchle ain't getting it done.

6. The play-calling- The biggest one that I thought was questionable was Relf throwing his pick on a third and one where we were running the ball with some success. There was a third and six where we were backed up in the end zone and we tried to run it out, and I didn't like that because I felt like we were giving up. But here's the thing about the play-calling- we're not always going to agree with every single play call that ANY coach we have is going to call. Personally, overall, I didn't think the play-calling was that bad or questionable. I think execution at times was. That's not to say that Dan called a perfect game, but it was definately better than against Auburn. I do think that Dan gets too cute at times and takes risks when he shouldn't against opponents that he shouldn't. You want to run a jump pass against Memphis? Go for it! Against Auburn? No. We were really in a quandry against LSU because LSU had the 10th best pass defense in the SEC, BUT we had Relf who has no clue where the heck the ball is going and a RS freshman in Tyler Russell and they have Patrick Peterson back there despite their low ratings, and on the other hand they had the second best run defense in the SEC going into the game, and a struggling o-line. Once again, it was a bad match-up against LSU. If we can't run the ball, we're going to struggle on offense because of our scattershot QB's.

7. The trip was worth it because of the stop at the gas station in the land that time forgot near Hammond (where else?) where you could buy hard boiled eggs, throwing stars, and a butterfly knife. This lovely establishment also featured prison style bathrooms and an appearance by a man that vhdawg has named "The Frito Bandito" or as I named him "The Mexican Richard Petty". So, I had a good time.
 

dawgoneyall

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How do they recruit to that godforsaken place?

Russell should get most snaps. End of discussion.

The OL sucks.

Try outs on Monday for someone on campus who can kick off. There has to be someone on campus better.

The OL sucks.
 

FlabLoser

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jackbaddawg said:
T-S-U-N would have beat us 42-3.
A play fake and throwing over the top is not a bad call on short yardage. Not one I'd do frequently. But to do it once in a game where you know you are going to need some big plays to win, I think its OK.

Problem is Relf lobs a jump ball to a receiver that has inside position on an all-SEC DB. He needed less arc and he needed to lead the receiver inside instead of a lob straight down the field. The DB was beaten and out of the play until Relf threw the ball more to the DB's direction.
 

CivilEngineerDog

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receiver had the inside on a post. You lead him to the inside and its a touchdown. You throw it up for grabs to their best cover man, its a pick

PS...receiver needs to jump up and make play, instead of falling down an wishing for a flag
 

dudehead

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When he is inaccurate, he usually lets the ball fly or sail like on that pass. You will usually get beat when you sail a jump ball to a 5'10" WR who is covered by a future NFL CB.
 

lawdawg02

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We were going to go for it on 4th down if it was incomplete, so I understand taking a shot deep when they're expecting run. We had the man coverage that you want, just made a poor throw.
 
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on that 3rd and 1. I could see it from the stands. Petersen was mauling that WR from State before the ball even got thrown. Mullen was going to go for it on 4th and 1 if it was incomplete. I'm sure he wasn't thinking INT when he called that play.
 

Dawg in a pile

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Stallion4Tiiigaaahhhs said:
I'm sure he wasn't thinking INT when he called that play.
That is the problem. If Relf throws the ball down field there is a very good chance it's going to be intercepted, a 50% chance at the very least. Mullen has to know that, that is his job. I know it, everyone here knows it, why doesn't he know it? There was no reason to call that play. We had a chance for the first down, and we probably would have needed two chances to get it. I'm still excited about Mullen but that was one of the worst calls I have ever seen.
 

TheStateUofMS

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The third down call is not a bad one if you have a QB who is halfway descent. Throw it to the inside and it's incomplete at worst. And I think Arceto Clark is are best WR at this point. Russell made some nice throws when he had time to stand in the pocket, I think he would have made that throw.<div>
</div><div>With that said, we should have ran it twice for the first. Relf hasn't shown yet he can consistently make the proper reads, so why make that call? Just run it. That was a very very crucial point in the game. Along with the KO after we scored a TD. Ridiculous.</div><div>
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Todd4State

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Dawg in a pile said:
Stallion4Tiiigaaahhhs said:
I'm sure he wasn't thinking INT when he called that play.
That is the problem. If Relf throws the ball down field there is a very good chance it's going to be intercepted, a 50% chance at the very least. Mullen has to know that, that is his job. I know it, everyone here knows it, why doesn't he know it? There was no reason to call that play. We had a chance for the first down, and we probably would have needed two chances to get it. I'm still excited about Mullen but that was one of the worst calls I have ever seen.


because of who the QB was. Was it a bad call in general with a decent QB? No. I agree you go for it on 4th down and probably get it. But we also have to know our personnel and what their strengths are, and throwing the ball downfield is not one of Relf's. And not at Patrick Peterson. Also, for those wanting to go for it on 4th down, I'm not sure that I would want to take that chance with our o-line, our lack of AD, and LSU knowing that we are going to run. I say, run it on third down, move the sticks and keep going.
 

Agentdog

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Relf, regardless of my pity, does not have that magical "It" that people talk about with QB's. Tyler Russell at least has some of "It", I just think he needs to develop "It" a little more, and I think he will be fine.

This is so true. He just doesn't have a feel for stepping up in the pocket and/or tucking the ball to run or getting rid of it. I would say this entire team doesn't have the "it" factor either. You could see/sense the deer in the headlights a few times in the AU game. They seemed to really be overwhelmed last night.

As for special teams play, at State you have to mix in your starters. Playing 2nd stringers is not going to cut it. As big of gap in talent there is on the 1st teams. I imagine hte talent gap is even great on the 2nd teamers.
 

FlabLoser

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A soft jump ball is the throw he intended to make.

He needed to zip it in there chest high.

What I'm saying is his decision on what type of pass to throw as a really dumb decision. Whether or not that soft lob is accurately thrown, its getting picked by #7.

This is similar to the incompletion he threw in the endzone to Green in the Auburn game. Guy is wide open. Throw him the jump pass. But Relf unleashes a rainbow 3 point shot just like a Dee Bost. You don't accidentally do that. The result isn't so much off the mark, as it is just a stupid pass selection.
 

coastdawg228

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thatsbaseball said:
did you see any of that ?
getting off the buses Dan nor any of the players said anything or waved to anyone. It was ipods in and heads straight toward the locker room. Mike the Tiger got pulled by truck in his cage by our team warming up in the south endzone pregame, and the players didn't like that. They huddled at midfield at the Tiger Eye and NO one liked that. Then we came out flat.
I think we miss the emotional leadership of AD and Jamar. Pernell needs to step it up.
 

maroonmania

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or on the field pre-game but I do know that Relf said in the CL Thursday that we were going to win which I knew was the kiss of death.
 

Todd4State

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coastdawg228 said:
thatsbaseball said:
did you see any of that ?
getting off the buses Dan nor any of the players said anything or waved to anyone. It was ipods in and heads straight toward the locker room. Mike the Tiger got pulled by truck in his cage by our team warming up in the south endzone pregame, and the players didn't like that. They huddled at midfield at the Tiger Eye and NO one liked that. Then we came out flat.
I think we miss the emotional leadership of AD and Jamar. Pernell needs to step it up.


but some LSU fan told me that Relf hit Mike the Tiger's cage with a ball during warm-ups. I told him that wasn't an unusual occurance and that I doubt he meant to hit it since he nails port-a-potties in practice regularly. If he was trying to hit his cage, he would probably have missed it and actually completed it to a WR.

But what you are saying about the team makes me think that we handled this game in the wrong way. I think the best way to handle Death Valley is to say- "It's another game, the field is 100 yards long, and just go out there and do what you do". When we start saying- "Oh my God, this place is crazy, they're going to kill us all, it's going to be deafening, etc., etc., etc.," - that's when we trip ourselves up.