Really? Calling something what it actually is comedy in your mind? There's nothing funny about it, it's pathetic and borderline scary that a President who spent his youth in Islamic schools won't utter the words Islamic Radicalists. Could you imagine Roosevelt not calling the Germans Nazi's? How bout we quit calling KKK members white supremacists, you think Obama would go for that as well?
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Really? Calling something what it actually is comedy in your mind? There's nothing funny about it, it's pathetic and borderline scary that a President who spent his youth in Islamic schools won't utter the words Islamic Radicalists. Could you imagine Roosevelt not calling the Germans Nazi's? How bout we quit calling KKK members white supremacists, you think Obama would go for that as well?
You didn't answer my question. It's Ok, I knew you wouldn't. Because you cannot answer it consistent with your beliefs about Islam
Here we go with the made-up facts again. President Obama spent 4 years of his youth in Jakarta and attended a public, non-sectarian school and then a Catholic school.
I don't know what religion he practiced as a kid, nor do I care. But you apparently think he did, so I would ask that you prove it.
And by the way, that was not what you said earlier. You said he attended "Islamist schools," which is what I addressed in my post.
My bad Vanilla, he lived in Jakarta and had Islamic classes in school. But thats not the point I was making.
The point was many people think Islam in some form or fashion influenced his life, by refusing to state the obvious, for whatever reason, it only makes that seem more accurate.
Honestly, why would you refuse to call something what it actually is, what is the logic behind that?
What am I refusing to say that you think I should be saying? That Obama is Muslim because his name sounds Muslim? That he must be a Muslim because he lived briefly in a country where the population is predominantly Muslim? It seems to me that if you were going to prove a point (i.e, that the President is a Muslim or a Muslim "sympathizer"), you should have more ammunition than that. Imagine, for example, that you tried to prove the point above in a court of law. Your case would last all of about 5 minutes.
Still don't understand POTUS' refusal to use the phrase "radical Islam." It's a head scratcher. You would think he would try to separate the pack and state that these are radicals,whereas,most Muslims are peaceful.
Especially since he insists on using isil instead of isis, which is supposed to be an insult to Israel.
How many of these peaceful Muslims have you seen on TV condemning these actions? Have many have held press conferences saying that these actions do not reflect our beliefs? The Westboro folks were openly condemned(and should have been) by the vast majority of Christians. This hasn't happened very much at all by the Muslim community. CAIR won't do it. Haven't seen the Saudis do it, etc.
What he and Valerie Jarrett have both said, and what she says bonded them, is that spending key parts of their youth overseas gave them a perspective on America most don't have. Now, you can shrug that off, which most would, but when you hear so many on the left piss and moan constantly about American imperialism and see the silly wordsmithing and dancing from this admin it does give some reasonable doubts about his real views of this country.
I'm not writing about you Vanilla. I'm not saying Obama is a Muslim or a muslim sympathizer. I'm saying it's absurd that he won't say Islamic Radicalist, it gives creedence to those that have siad he is those things. Beyond that I asked why would someone logically refuse to call a spade a spade, when everyone knows whats driving the terrorists actions.
Did you even bother looking or just go on memory? I found these two articles about Muslims condemning the San Bernardino and Orlando attacks in about 30 seconds. By the way, these are not publications of limited circulation. This is the New York Times and CBS News we're talking about.
http://www.nytimes.com/live/san-bernardino-shooting/muslim-leaders-condemn-san-bernardino-attack/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-pulse-nightclub-muslims-condemn-attack/
It only gives credence to such theories if you are predisposed to believe them in the first place.
Yeah, that's Taqiyya, a core belief in the Hadith, if I recall correctly. It's especially acceptable if it is to further the goal of spreading the word of Muhammad to infidels.
thanks....also extends to their affinity to getting their rape on
I am no scholar of Islam at all, but my understanding is that Taqiya permits a Muslim to dissemble about their faith to protect themselves if under persecution or compulsion.
I would suggest you look into it more, then. It permits lying to any heathen, heretic, infidel, or non-believer anytime a Muslim feels not only threatened themselves, but also anytime they perceive a threat against Islam, including (however accurate) any criticism of it.
Yep
Muslims kills people
24 hours later
Muslims: "islam is a religion of peace, we denounce this latest act of extremism"
Rinse and repeat.
Again, I have not researched this deeply at all, but I would be surprised if the principle is interpreted to extend this far.
Really? You have trouble believing it extends that far for a religion that widely accepts that death is an appropriate punishment for leaving Islam and that conversion by the sword is acceptable?
No, it does not. I don't vote for politicians who only choose the words I would in the same situation. In fact, I would hope that our President, as an ambassador to the world of all of us, spent a great deal of time choosing his words carefully when addressing the threat of terrorism in our country.
You don't think bombin' the bejeezus out of ISIS is makin' the same point there, lad? Which why he might have been makin' fun of ya. Sticks and stones. Sweet Mary. And the next you'll be askin' why isn't he jumpin' on one leg while sayin' it or growlin' like a pirate. He's the president. Not a parrot. Takin' his cues from the laks o' you.
[say that in a stage Irish accent]
Yes, because I choose not to dismiss an entire faith based on Internet gossip and fear.
Maybe you should base it on Pew Research Institute polling that supports my argument.
Look, let me see if I can help you guys out here. I'm arabic, I grew up in Jordan, and we immigrated to the US when I was 6 years old. We left because we weren't Muslim and things weren't going great for non-muslims. Islam is an awful, horrible religion, and I'll gladly admit that me and my family are pretty much racists (religionists?) towards muslims. Its a stupid religion, and its an extremely aggressive religion, and its absolutely awful to women. Like you can't imagine how bad it is towards women. And its not peaceful, AT ALL. And it forces pretty much everything on everyone - I would get beat up eating a sandwich at school during Ramadan by other classmates. It sucked.
When we moved to america we lived a bunch of places but settled in West Virginia (unfortunately). Rednecks (lots of them in WV) were complete ******** to us to. They would say mean crap to us, tell my older siblings to go back to where we came from because they had slight accents, etc. So really, pretty much all humans are ******** to people that are different from them. But we adore america. Absolutely love it, my mom worships this country. And its because of separation of church and state and the ultimate freedom we have here. Fundamental evangelical christians absolutely suck, but for whatever reason the majority of christians in this country are really moderate and open minded. Either way - the point I'm getting at, is its hard to find moderate muslims, because for whatever reason it permeates the government, because its an inherently aggressive and pushy religion. Those of you who are saying Islam is a religion of peace are completely FOS. Its an awful religion that is pretty much propped up on abuse and being oppressive to women and people that aren't muslim - and the further you are from it the better quite frankly.
When we moved to america we lived a bunch of places but settled in West Virginia (unfortunately). Rednecks (lots of them in WV) were complete ******** to us to. They would say mean crap to us, tell my older siblings to go back to where we came from because they had slight accents, etc. So really, pretty much all humans are ******** to people that are different from them. But we adore america. Absolutely love it, my mom worships this country. And its because of separation of church and state and the ultimate freedom we have here. Fundamental evangelical christians absolutely suck, but for whatever reason the majority of christians in this country are really moderate and open minded. Either way - the point I'm getting at, is its hard to find moderate muslims, because for whatever reason it permeates the government, because its an inherently aggressive and pushy religion. Those of you who are saying Islam is a religion of peace are completely FOS. Its an awful religion that is pretty much propped up on abuse and being oppressive to women and people that aren't muslim - and the further you are from it the better quite frankly.
Just out of curiousity, were you raised secularly? Or a Levant Christian? Orth. Jew?
Greek (syrian) orthodox - which is what a majority of arabic christians are. In the 1970's Lebanon was 40% christian and so was Jordan. During the 1980's during the massive muslim uprising is when we left. Now both countries are 99% muslim. ISIS is also slaughtering about 50,000 christians a month in the middle east and no one even talks about it. Out entire extended family lives there, and hopefully they'll be safe for a while.
Nice try Ron, but you didn't capitalize the "A" in America. haha
Arabic people are awesome. It's not the people, it's the religion.
No need to make Islam about race. The criticisms should stick to the ideals.
Yeah, Greek Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism really are the two pillars of Christianity. Glad your family had the foresight to get out while the gettin' was good. Good luck for your extended family, as well.
Everyone seems to ignore militant expansion is really the only way Islam grows, never through peaceful prosyletization.
Well, it strikes me as odd that a President refuses to call a spade a spade, and then tries to tie it to another political agenda.
Who in the civilized world is it going to offend if he calls ISIS islamic radicalists? Do you think ISIS is going to rethink their position because of what he says?
both left leaning organizations that would lie if they needed to.
Not surprised at your fake surprise or if genuine, you either are too young to know, lack experience and education or just plain ignorant.
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This is correct. You're allowed to lie if it advances Islam. Just like molesting of uncovered women is justified.
Rumors and gossip? You haven't had enough of a history lesson or seen enough modern day examples to know what Islam is? You choose to ignore the obvious. It's written very clearly of what they believe and we see tons of examples of what Sharia Law brings: stonings, honor killings and executions.
Read these verses.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
Listen to a Muslim woman who was sold as a child bride and escaped the beatings and evil of Islam. She understands Islam more than white Democrats.
Check out her interview and start around 30 minutes
NY Times and CBS news. Bastions of impartial reporting. Gimme a break.
Have you heard any of the leaders of Saudi Rabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc come out and emphatically say "This is not what Islam is about. This is not what we believe. This is wrong and we will assist the US and all other countries to bring these folks to justice." ?
Oh, by the way, I can go off memory and remember many, many Christians going on TV and condemning the actions of the Westboro church. Trying to prevent them further action by blocking them out at funerals and such.
And even as crazy as Westboro is and their ignorance of scripture, they still haven't hurt anyone or killed anyone. They're way behind Muslims.