TA May Not Play?
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Does a bowl game count in losing a red shirt ? I seem to recall once Oklahoma state I believe it was played a bunch of freshmen in their bowl game instead of the guys who had been playing giving them a head start on next year.
Uh, no. The bowl game is an extension of the season. If freshmen were played they weren't redshirts that same year. I thought this was put to rest on here.
That and lawyers trust accounts ( managed by the SEC ? ) ; may be why Boone Pickens fortune dropped in half when he became very involved.
Maybe you've been watching a different Tennessee than I have. They don't eat anyone alive. And the oddsmakers seem to agree putting Tenn at only -3 with the knowledge that Tommy may not go.
I have to believe that line assumes that Armstrong is at near full health and starts. If Fyfe is announced as starter, that margin will become a double digit canyon within hours,
I realize past history is not a guarantee of future outcomes but there is reason to believe that Tennessee will feast of Fyfe is under center:
TN was favored by 3 points over Iowa in the 2014 Taxslayer Bowl and won by 17 (45-28) with Beathard at QB for Iowa. That contest was a 5 TD blowout at the start of the 4th quarter (TB 42 IA 7) and was never seriously in doubt.
TN was favored by 9 points over Northwestern in last year's Outback bowl and won by 42 with (45-3) with Thorson at QB for Northwestern.
Oddsmakers were wildly off on Tennessee's last two bowl games.
Oddsmakers know who is playing and who is questionable and when they don't, they take lines off the board. Of course, they don't always get the final outcome right, but they have held steady at 3 points. This has more to do with Tennessee's lack of defensive production down the stretch than it does with Tommy Armstrong.
Take a look at the points Tennessee gave up to the likes of Kentucky (36), Missouri (37), and Vanderbilt (45) to end the season. This defense isn't "feasting" on anyone.
As far as Vegas goes, there is this ESPN piece
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...rs-preparing-ryker-fyfe-start-music-city-bowl
Fyfe was 23/37 for 220 against MD. I would say at this point Tommy would at best be limited if he plays. If the Oline injury status has improved, I'd take my chances with Fyfe instead of a hobbled TA. If the Oline can't get it done, I am not sure it matters who starts.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...rs-preparing-ryker-fyfe-start-music-city-bowl
Fyfe was 23/37 for 220 against MD. I would say at this point Tommy would at best be limited if he plays. If the Oline injury status has improved, I'd take my chances with Fyfe instead of a hobbled TA. If the Oline can't get it done, I am not sure it matters who starts.
Maryland's defense while maybe not as talented as Tennessee's was probably on a par with Tennessee. People forget how well Ryker played in that game.
I am unclear at to whether he injured his wrist in the second half of that game. His play went south a bit after half time. If Fyfe is a go, our backs are going to have to pick up the slack a bit.
I have heard that Tennessee is weak versus the run. Maybe if the OL gets healthy and Fyfe has a decent game, we can score some points and hopefully control the TOP and have a chance at the end. I worry about our D though. This does not seem like a very good matchup. I think we will give up a lot of points.
My initial thoughts on UT are they are pound for pound, more talented across the board than we are.
Even if the two teams play like two inconsistent teams (ie offensive and defensive units just out of rhythm), I have to give them the edge. Any situation where chaos on the field evolves into "is my athlete better than your athlete because any strategy has been lost to poor execution" its going to generally favor them.
We're going to have to play pretty disciplined ball to win because they will probably score some points.
Even if the two teams play like two inconsistent teams (ie offensive and defensive units just out of rhythm), I have to give them the edge. Any situation where chaos on the field evolves into "is my athlete better than your athlete because any strategy has been lost to poor execution" its going to generally favor them.
We're going to have to play pretty disciplined ball to win because they will probably score some points.
If Tennessee is weak against the run, Langsdorf will have whoever is playing QB chucking it 40+ times....just saying
If fyfe starts we are doomed. I don't get how most of you are forgetting this stat line.
29-48-4 407 4 int 2 td
Against Purdue. We will make the Tennessee defensive back field look like Alabama.
Other than that... sure hope we win GBR
29-48-4 407 4 int 2 td
Against Purdue. We will make the Tennessee defensive back field look like Alabama.
Other than that... sure hope we win GBR
Good call, I'm with you... I remember in peewee football when he threw 5 ints in one game... Don't know why some people don't get it like you and me.
Did I see it suggested somewhere in this threat that Maryland's defense is not just God awful? Those guys are so bad, I might have been able to quarterback a win.
Doesn't look much different than many of Armstrong's lines, except he hardly broke 300 yards, let alone 400.
I'm sorry but I'd rather see Darlington under center if Armstrong can't play.
No, no they don't actually. And "having a pin inserted" doesn't mean anything. Not only does that not say what kind of injury fyfe has, but hardware isn't meant to take a beating. It's just mean to hold things in place until they heal. The bones aren't healed and his wrist isn't strong enough to withstand much abuse. The fact that Fyfe still can't take a snap from under center is because his injury won't allow for it. Yeah, we may rush him back, but he's totally screwed (no pun) if he lands wrong on his "fixed" wrist.
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Ummm I've done orthopedic surgery. Having a pin inserted means a bunch. "Hardware" is in fact meant to "hold things in place" but unless he has had complications he likely has some fibrous callus by now that should be pretty stable. Depending on the fixation, you may actually want to encourage immediate weight bearing or use in order to speed healing. I would expect them to not let him take snaps from under center for as long as they can to protect it. I also think if he had to he could be taking snaps under center right now. He's going to have some local pain but the guy played a whole quarter or more with the fracture. They'll likely protect it as best they can, but I expect by the time we play he'll be okay. The one thing I don't want to see is for them to trot him out if he's not able to grip things with that hand by game time.
Having a pin inserted doesn't tell us a thing about what injury he had..."a pin" could be so many things. DRUJ injury? Distal radius? Scaphoid? Any of the other 7 bones of the wrist? Did he have a metacarpal CRPP? Whatever...doesn't matter. Point is, that he's susceptible to refracture for at least 3-4 months following the surgery. And weight bearing after surgery is dependent on more than the fixation type. Fracture location and fracture pattern are much more important and off the top of my head I can't think of a single surgery of the forearm/wrist/hand that weight bearing is encouraged. That's (almost) exclusively in the hip and femural/tibial shaft fractures. if you weight bear on hardware, it will break eventually if the bones doesn't heal and offload the prosthesis. Fyfe will probably play, but he's putting himself at risk doing so. But again, without knowing exactly what injury/surgery he had, it's hard to say how much risk
Now it's finally getting good around here. I'm probably weird, but I could seriously read this stuff all day.
Go read the article that was posted on the front page after I posted what I did. It basically says the same thing I posted. So what if he re-fractures it. There's no tomorrow for him on playing and this is a long ways from any vital organs. I'm guessing he's is more than willing to take that risk. As far as "weight bearing" goes I was referring to long bone fractures. Depending on the type of fracture and stabilization, you actually may encourage weight bearing IF the fracture is completely stable. A completely stable fracture say with a plate, will actually heal slower if you don't put some degree of stress on it such as weight bearing. You are correct that we don't know for sure what the exact fracture was or in which bone it was BUT if the reports are correct that they inserted a pin versus a screw or screws and since the initial report was that the fracture was in his hand, I'm guessing it was a metacarpal bone.
We aren't going to solve this over a message board and without more information on Fyfe. Not to mention, things are being simplified and over generalized to the point where it's going to become to comber some to continue. Bottom line...it sounds like they're rushing to get Fyfe back for a single bowl game and I hope they're taking his best long term interest into account.
Long term interest? You worry too much. The likelihood that he would do anything that would cause him any more long term problems than what he already would have from his injury is very low. By long term I mean a year from now. Hell if I was him I would have to have a bone sticking out of my hand to not play in the bowl game. Heck I might tell them to just tape me up and put me in anyway.
