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[mcdawg22]

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Mullen to USF. Guess we know why we're playing in St Pete now.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Good news... they can still have sirmon tho

 

[57stratdawg]

Good deal. Hope Cohen didn't bite on that stuff, I doubt he did.

 

[coach66]

Gonna have to give Mullen credit for declining the interview. He has been

working with Cohen on his new deal.

 

[57stratdawg]

Think he really declined an interview? Be interesting to see if he gets a raise and how much.

 

[civildawg88]

New deal? Surely not. He just went 5-7 and lost to south alabama. Are we just extending him and keeping the buyout the same?

 

[coach66]

That's what I have heard.

nm

 

[coach66]

Maybe a little more creative than that but it's not a deal that would reflect a

10-2 season. There seems to be a good bit of optimism about the next two to three years.

 

[was21]

Who knows? Subject of fake news is all over the place, including politics and sports as well. Facts don't exist or matter anymore, just what someone wants to think. That being the case, it doesn't matter

 

[civildawg88]

I just noticed that first twitter comment. Hilarious

 

[Salty Sands Dawg]

I hope not. He has not earned it nor does he deserve a "new deal", much less an extension with a 5-7 record.
He didn't get one a year ago with a 9-4 record (and we all know why), so he sure as hell shouldn't get one this year.

working with Cohen on his new deal.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Everyone knows Mullen wants to leave. He hates it here and is stuck**

10-2 season. There seems to be a good bit of optimism about the next two to three years.

When the coach speaks, you better listen.

I haven't been in the camp that thinks he's wanted out. I think he's listened to a few folks because he's not a dumb ***. Anyone would listen if someone came calling your name at a bigger job and bigger pay.

 

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Good news... they can still have sirmon tho

Won't be taking Sirmon - Willie would have to drop his boy

 

[ShrubDog]

I hope not. He has not earned it nor does he deserve a "new deal", much less an extension with a 5-7 record.
He didn't get one a year ago with a 9-4 record (and we all know why), so he sure as hell shouldn't get one this year.

What is the 4 year plan if we don't extend Mullen?

 

[Bulldogg31]

I hope not. He has not earned it nor does he deserve a "new deal", much less an extension with a 5-7 record.
He didn't get one a year ago with a 9-4 record (and we all know why), so he sure as hell shouldn't get one this year.

As I said after the TAMU win, the folks that think Mullen shouldnt get a new contract are going to be disappointed.

Even after a tough year, the guy remains the winningest coach in our history, the best recruiter we've ever had (yep, a little like being the skinniest kid at fat camp, but it's true), and has put more maroon in the NFL at one time than anyone in our history.

He needs a full 4-year deal, no matter the terms, so he can continue recruiting both players and coaches/staff alike.

 

[Salty Sands Dawg]

Let's see what he does next year. I haven't seen anything to indicate the kicking game will be any better, the defense will be any better or his Conference USA O-line will be any better with his buddy in charge. If all of those things remain equal add the 2017 schedule in the mix.

What is the 4 year plan if we don't extend Mullen?

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Mullen will get an extension

 

[Salty Sands Dawg]

He's not the winningest coach we've ever had but he is one of them (at this point) by his record.
As far has his recruiting goes, I will respectfully disagree with you on that, he certainly is not the best we've ever had but you're right about the players in the NFL. Where I think he deserves a lot of credit, is his ability to develop QBs (and as you stated get players to the NFL).
As for what happens with his contract, we'll see. One game or even two against SEC teams that are not great by any means is not enough reason (in my opinion) to give the guy a new contract or an extension with a losing record.
As for the terms of his contract, regardless of when it happens, they do matter because they need to be in the best interest of Mississippi State!

As I said after the TAMU win, the folks that think Mullen shouldnt get a new contract are going to be disappointed.

Even after a tough year, the guy remains the winningest coach in our history, the best recruiter we've ever had (yep, a little like being the skinniest kid at fat camp, but it's true), and has put more maroon in the NFL at one time than anyone in our history.

He needs a full 4-year deal, no matter the terms, so he can continue recruiting both players and coaches/staff alike.

 

[OliveBranchDAWG]

As I said after the TAMU win, the folks that think Mullen shouldnt get a new contract are going to be disappointed.

Even after a tough year, the guy remains the winningest coach in our history, the best recruiter we've ever had (yep, a little like being the skinniest kid at fat camp, but it's true), and has put more maroon in the NFL at one time than anyone in our history.

He needs a full 4-year deal, no matter the terms, so he can continue recruiting both players and coaches/staff alike.

Amen. Dan Mullen being in Starkville for 8+ seasons is doing wonders for our program. He needs an extension. There is a reason Mullen is linked to every big name job in off-season, because he is damn good football coach. There is a reason OM fans try to float his name with every job opening, because they want him out of Starkville. It's not hard to see.

 

[msstatelp1]

He's not the winningest coach we've ever had but he is one of them (at this point) by his record.
As far has his recruiting goes, I will respectfully disagree with you on that, he certainly is not the best we've ever had but you're right about the players in the NFL. Where I think he deserves a lot of credit, is his ability to develop QBs (and as you stated get players to the NFL).
As for what happens with his contract, we'll see. One game or even two against SEC teams that are not great by any means is not enough reason (in my opinion) to give the guy a new contract or an extension with a losing record.
As for the terms of his contract, regardless of when it happens, they do matter because they need to be in the best interest of Mississippi State!

Which coaches do you think have done better jobs?

 

[fishwater99]

If he gets an extension our buyout better not be huge...

 

[Salty Sands Dawg]

Not taking away from Mullen's accomplishments but Allyn McKeen's record was 65-19-3 and 29-16 in the SEC, with an undefeated team and an SEC Title. If you go by winning percentage, several coaches are in front of him. Mullen hasn't reached that level with a 55-35 record and 26-30 in the SEC.
As for recruiting, Bob Tyler was the best recruiter we've had in the modern era and I would put Sherrill against Mullen in recruiting as well.

Which coaches do you think have done better jobs?

 

[KurtRambis4]

Why do you say this?

As far has his recruiting goes, I will respectfully disagree with you on that, he certainly is not the best we've ever had

according to recruiting rankings, which is what all of you recruitniks fall back on time and time again, he is.

 

[LawDawg97]

One thing the anti-Mullen crowd has in common, none of you can get facts right

Mullen hasn't reached that level with a 55-35 record and 26-30 in the SEC.

I understand you not wanting to acknowledge this year's record, but it did happen.

 

[KurtRambis4]

They certainly have a hard time dealing with facts*

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[ckDOG]

Amen

Who knows? Subject of fake news is all over the place, including politics and sports as well. Facts don't exist or matter anymore, just what someone wants to think. That being the case, it doesn't matter

Yesterday I read that Rhule passed up Oregon for the Baylor job and Baylor offered Mike Gundy 60 million over 10 before Rhule and he passed. Neither of these are believable.

People just make **** up this time of year. Sad thing is folks believe it.

 

[Cow College]

Not taking away from Mullen's accomplishments but Allyn McKeen's record was 65-19-3 and 29-16 in the SEC, with an undefeated team and an SEC Title. If you go by winning percentage, several coaches are in front of him. Mullen hasn't reached that level with a 55-35 record and 26-30 in the SEC.
As for recruiting, Bob Tyler was the best recruiter we've had in the modern era and I would put Sherrill against Mullen in recruiting as well.

Okay one one coach who did better and it was 60 yrs ago. Yeah not worth extending. I feel like half of y'all just started watching MSU 8 yrs ago. Dan has his flaws but deserves an extension. Recruiting will start tanking without one.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

As for recruiting, Bob Tyler was the best recruiter we've had in the modern era and I would put Sherrill against Mullen in recruiting as well.

Didn't Bob Tyler's recruiting make us forfeit like 3 seasons?

 

[coach66]

Yes

nm

 

[Dawgzilla]

If an extension will help with recruiting, then sign him up.

 

[Salty Sands Dawg]

I apologize, my mistake it's 60-42 with 29-35 SEC record (so his winning percentage is now worse along with his conference record). None the less, it doesn't make my original point incorrect.

I understand you not wanting to acknowledge this year's record, but it did happen.

 

[Salty Sands Dawg]

No, playing Larry Gilliard, was the reason for the forfeits. Regardless, of the forfeits we won the games: 6-4-1 in 75', 9-2 in 76' and 5-6 in 77'. You can change the record book all day long but you can't change history! If TSUN has to forfeit any of their games its still not going to change what happened (except we might get to even up the score from 76 and 77). The only reason Jackie has a .500 overall record is because of a forfeit from the 93' Alabama game (sorry I don't feel any better about the *** kicking we took that day).

Didn't Bob Tyler's recruiting make us forfeit like 3 seasons?

 

[TheStateUofMS]

CUSA O-line and CUSA QB right? You're an idiot.

Let's see what he does next year. I haven't seen anything to indicate the kicking game will be any better, the defense will be any better or his Conference USA O-line will be any better with his buddy in charge. If all of those things remain equal add the 2017 schedule in the mix.

If you can't see the dramatic improvement in the OL from last year (which was a CUSA OL) then I can't help you. Our core OL are going to be JRs and our young Redshirt FR were mostly recruited out of state and are solid 3stars and a couple 4stars.

We're not signing and developing raw MS 2stars anymore as of last year. Now we are signing and developing solid 3 and 4 stars from out of state and Florida in particular.

 

[was21]

Yesterday's gone....no relation to today's football scenario

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Sands is Correct

The NCAA ruled Larry Gillard ineligible. Gillard and/or MSU (whichever you choose to believe) got a judge to sign an injunction allowing him play. The injunction was eventually overturned & the games in which he play as a result of the injunction were forfeited. The NCAA has abandoned forfeiting games since that time though & no favor vacating wins if players are deemed ineligible after the fact, so bascially the wins are removed from the guilty schools official record, but the losses are not replaced with wins for the guilty schools' opponents.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

75-75-1 vs 60-42 8yrs in.

Mullen would have to go 15-43 over the next 4-5yrs to reach that masterpiece of a record Sherrill had.

I get Sherrill didn't have the resources or an administration that was committed to winning football, but the competition nowadays is much tougher top to bottom.

Here's another nugget for you: If Mullen has the same winning percentage as he does now 5 years from now, his record will be 93-67.

Here's to hoping he's 100-60 for a .625 win % vs a .588 win % currently.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

The NCAA ruled Larry Gillard ineligible. Gillard and/or MSU (whichever you choose to believe) got a judge to sign an injunction allowing him play. The injunction was eventually overturned & the games in which he play as a result of the injunction were forfeited. The NCAA has abandoned forfeiting games since that time though & no favor vacating wins if players are deemed ineligible after the fact, so bascially the wins are removed from the guilty schools official record, but the losses are not replaced with wins for the guilty schools' opponents.

I wasn't alive back in those days so when I ask these questions I am genuinely curious but why was he inelligible?

 

[patdog]

He received a discount on some clothes from a store. We went on 3-years probation and forfeited 18 wins and a tie because of what would be a secondary violation at most today.

 

[Salty Sands Dawg]

Hmm, better reread all of my posts in this thread. I don't recall saying anything about our QB. In fact, I complimented Mullen on that aspect but apparently people like you are overly sesnsitive to any criticism or differing opinions when it comes to Mullen.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

He received a discount on clothes at a local store that MSU claims was available to all MSU students. The NCAA ruled it an extra benefit.

Reality is that we were cheating our *** off similar to Johnny Reb recently because ole Bob Tyler learned at the feet of the master cheater himself (Johnny Vaught). The NCAA knew something was going on & this was all the could prove.