Taking bets: Ole Miss doesn't "find out"

[Heawww]

It's not a crime to do either. It's not against any rules, anywhere. That's the point. There should be no suspensions, period.

Should they accept the social (and possible professional) consequences? Sure, there's no other choice. If you call a black dude the n-word, and he gets offended, he might bust you in the face (and ironically, HE would get prosecuted). I mean, that how the **** works. The media clamoring for some type of punishment, WTF? Do any of you really think that white WR for the Eagles apologized for his remarks because he might get suspended? ****, no. He was scared of getting his *** kicked in the locker room. And the liberal media ****-storm. One of those makes no sense. I'll let you pick which one that is.

People are too damn sensitive.

 

[dawgstudent]

Missing class isn't a crime but you might get suspended for that. Or talking back to your coach. Many things you can get suspended for aren't criminal.

 

[DerHntr]

Actually for Heaww you are going to add one more piece to your scenario.

"They're now putting on a play about a black man getting beat to death during the civil rights movement and football players start making fun of him using racial slurs and inappropriate language while disrupting the play. Same scenario... I'm sure you wouldn't disagree with this would you?" ---- and there are also no African Americans on the football team to beat their asses in the lockerroom.

He is trying to make a point that this is self-regulating if you use the N word. Just like DS said, 50 years ago it wasn't self-regulating. People began to step up and protect African Americans and after a long period of time it is completely understood that the N word is going to get you killed in the press, suspended, fired, hurt on the street, etc. We are seeing the same thing happen with homosexuals.

 

[Heawww]

Haha, that's cute, son. More 'simple' shaming from the sheep perspective.

Look, now this is how it is. Are these guys ****-heads for doing what they did? Sure. Would I do it? No. But that still doesn't change the fact that it is INSANE for them to be suspended for this. And it WILL NOT happen unless a huge portion of the OLE MISS FANBASE (not the liberal media, not MSU fans, not Pat Forde), demands that it happens. At that point, it will involve MONEY, then somebody might get punished. That's the social and professional repercussions I was talking about in my previous post.

 

[esplanade91]

I'm a big fan of the show Louie and there was an episode about how comedians should stop using the word "***" and it really made an impression on me. Whether you agree or disagree, shun or accept, or care less... "***" is a hate word and shouldn't be used against anyone straight or gay, AGAIN... Regardless of how you feel about homosexuality.

Look up the origin of the word on your own. This isn't 1950 anymore. People who justify things like this because they used it openly at football practice growing up is the definition of ignorant.

 

[DerHntr]

Actually I bet it is against the rules but a more general rule. Players are expected to not do things to tarnish the reputation of the university. This is one of those over-arching rules that I typically don't like but I bet nearly all programs have it in place.

 

[Heawww]

I can give a little with you here, since higher education rules are so subjective anyway. At the end of the day, the media should leave it alone, and Freeze takes care of it how he wants to. And he'll be judged by that, ultimately.

What really pisses me off is the media acting like the rule-maker and the discipline program.

 

[Heawww]

Ignorant of what?

 

[DerHntr]

"What really pisses me off is the media acting like the rule-maker and the discipline program."

Now this I can agree with for sure. The problem is that the media likes to report on things that people will read. A good ol' boy program from MS makes fun of homosexuals is unfortunately big news in a lot of the country. Hard to dispute that fact. They would stop printing it if their hit rates on websites didn't go up.

 

[dawgstudent]

They aren't going to jail. They would miss a football game. Big difference.

 

[dawgstudent]

I agree with that. This happens at Ohio State - it doesn't have near the publicity.

 

[esplanade91]

It's not a crime to do either. It's not against any rules, anywhere. That's the point. There should be no suspensions, period.

Should they accept the social (and possible professional) consequences? Sure, there's no other choice. If you call a black dude the n-word, and he gets offended, he might bust you in the face (and ironically, HE would get prosecuted). I mean, that how the **** works. The media clamoring for some type of punishment, WTF? Do any of you really think that white WR for the Eagles apologized for his remarks because he might get suspended? ****, no. He was scared of getting his *** kicked in the locker room. And the liberal media ****-storm. One of those makes no sense. I'll let you pick which one that is.

People are too damn sensitive.

Calling someone the n-word is TOTALLY illegal. Slap on the wrist, but illegal. I read in the paper all the time where I live people getting arrested for hate crimes for calling people **** and yelling he n-word. Do you live under a rock?

 

[Heawww]

In that case, isn't the actual crime harassment? Don't get me started on how stupid 'hate crime' prosecution is.

 

[Drebin]

I’m confused. I thought most of you embraced the word “***” as a clever and original insult. Do you now find it offensive? That happened quickly.

I get your point. The difference here is that SPS isn't run by someone professing faith and family. I don't have a problem with Freeze wearing his Christianity on his sleeve, but I do think when you do that and you are in the public eye, and elements of your domain can't be controlled, you are destined to have a "Jimmy Swaggart moment." Freeze is going to be more harshly judged than others in the same position because of how he portrays himself. And as much as you can say, "it's not Freeze's fault that some immature 18 year olds said some ugly things," and as right as you may be in saying it, the fact is that it reflects badly on Freeze, because he's always preaching "family" and "character," etc., etc.

 

[esplanade91]

In that case, isn't the actual crime harassment? Don't get me started on how stupid 'hate crime' prosecution is.

No.

 

[johnson86-1]

They aren't going to jail. They would miss a football game. Big difference.

They should get treated like other students. If other students have to go to sensitivity training for their sins, so should the football players. If I were freeze, I'd probably punish them internally, try to explain about not being shitheads in general and being decent to people that are different (which I wouldn't be optimistic about it sticking), and explain why what they did was unacceptable and how they are to at least not publicly embarrass the university if they don't see the value in being decent for decency's sake. Suspension wouldn't be on the table. I think it's still viewed as perfectly acceptable to make fun of gay people in most Mississippi high schools (by the other students), and trying to hammer them for being young and stupid probably isn't going to help anything and possibly will result in actual animosity towards gay people.

 

[RocketDawg]

I don't think those particular words are illegal. What's illegal is the harassment part, disturbing the peace, inciting a riot, or whatever. You, as a white guy, can use the n-word to a policeman or FBI agent or whatever and he's not going to arrest you for it. If you do it in front of those who are offending, then it's arrestable but not for using the word itself.

By the same token, calling someone a redneck should be the same but it's not. Probably will one day because it's derogatory stereotyping.

 

[RocketDawg]

I haven't claimed any moral high ground. I only pointed out that some on here have no right to claim such high ground when they've engaged in the very behavior they now condemn, which I thought was pretty clear from my post. That was my only intent. Nor am I surprised that y'all are exploiting the issue. I'm sure some of our fans would do the same, and if they too had engaged in such behavior they would be equally hypocritical.

Got to agree with you, except it may not be "most" doing the exploiting merely because it's the rival university. More like a vocal majority ... members of the board who don't care or feel otherwise remain silent for the most part. I suppose those folks who take advantage of the situation merely because they were Bear players are called opportunists. But it would been just as bad if the play had been "Mary Poppins" and there was heckling ... the heckling was despicable and does indeed demonstrate Neanderthal behavior. But ... that sometimes happens in groups when the mob mentality takes over.

 

[WrapItDog]

If it's a crime they should be brought in for questioning**

Agent Hurly, I want you to give these scumbags a cavity search. I'm talking Roto-Rooter. Don't stop until you reach the back of their teeth.

 

[Heawww]

You need to just stay out of big boy discussion. That's the best advice I can give your dumb ***. Get some world experience first. You have no answers for anything, but you can ***** with the best of them. I know you young ******* think you're going to change the world and all, but you ought to open your eyes so you'll be ready when your cherry gets popped.

 

[esplanade91]

^^^^ this guy is telling me to open my eyes

 

[seshomoru]

That's a tricky argument though...

because it hasn't happened at Ohio State. It has happened in Mississippi. And despite the fact that the universities are far more diverse than anywhere else in the state, they are still very insulated from the diversity of other places in the country. I actually think it would be more shocking and a bigger story if it happened somewhere else, like Oregon or somewhere like that. What I find sad is that it's a big story and the rest of the country isn't all that shocked it happened down here. But yes, the media blitz on it will stop when the hits go down. Of course the easiest way to make it go away would be for Ole Miss to quickly find out who did it and take appropriate action. The longer it goes with nothing being done, the bigger and more embarrassing it will get.

 

[Heawww]

Ha, now you're trying to recruit other posters to fight your battles for you? Pathetic, pal.

 

[Heawww]

Disagree, it will go away by itself. Or at least when the media finds something else to hang its hat on.

This should fall squarely into the category of bullying/making fun of people less fortunate/etc. What would happen in those circumstances? Whatever that is, is what should happen here.

 

[jakldawg]

This idea is ABSURD

just hold a retreat at Camp Wesley Pines and they'll teach from the New Testament

when you've got perfectly good Camp Lake Stevens just down the road from Oxford.




(what? I'm "missing the point" a lot less than some other posters on here today)

 

[2001OleMiss]

The problem the coaches and adiministration are having is the witness accounts are not the same as what the DM reported. As you will notice the DM article did not have witness accounts. I guess you can assume there is some sort of cover up, but I have my doubts theatre students are going to defend the football players.

 

[patdog]

I disagree. Gay-bashing would get a lot of publicity no matter where it happened.

 

[aspendawg]

Heaww...your name says it all

You need to just stay out of big boy discussion. That's the best advice I can give your dumb ***. Get some world experience first. You have no answers for anything, but you can ***** with the best of them. I know you young ******* think you're going to change the world and all, but you ought to open your eyes so you'll be ready when your cherry gets popped.

^^This coming from someone who has probably never lived more than 50 miles from the dirt county they were born in^^

Enjoy being a curmudgeon the rest of your life while the world changes before your eyes... Before you know it the gays will be legally smoking pot at their tailgates in Starkville (that's called change)..

Go to hell Tigahs!

 

[Crazy Cotton]

+1.

I'm wondering if one of our lawyers on here could give an opinion about the "fighting words doctrine" and how this might influence the type of punishment available to the University (although I'd bet there is some part of the student handbook that spells it out pretty explicitly as well).

 

[Heawww]

Why is change so good? You guys are seemingly having trouble answering the hard questions.

 

[aspendawg]

To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often -Winston Churchill

We learned from Croomz that we can't line up in the Power I and run against the likes of Bama, LSU, and Maine. So we changed coaches... We learned from Dick Williams that you can't screw cheerleaders so we changed coaches and got Standsburied.

We learned from Polk that you have to actually go out and recruit...so we hire Cohen

Regardless of you asinine pessimistic views on life...all of conditioned existence, without exception, is in a constant state of flux. (flux=change)

 

[Heawww]

Change for the sake of change is stupid. You can also change for the worst and not the better.

 

[esplanade91]

You can also sit on your HP you bought in 1996 with your dial-up Internet and pick fights over why we should celebrate Ole Miss players calling cast members **** in the middle of the theater during a production about tolerance towards people who look and think differently than you. I agree, sometimes change isn't good. Whoever introduced you to the internet deserves a ruler to their knuckles, gosh darn it!

I bet you watch O'Rielly every night before going to sleep. You HAVE to be one of those.

 

[Thirty-Two Dive]

Before you know it the gays will be legally smoking pot at their tailgates in Starkville (that's called change)..

Just as long they ain't smokin' po... errr... never mind.

^^^ Bigot Bait - OFF [ON]

 

[Maroonbulldog]

One could argue that fans are simply a part of the ignorant masses that know no better.

The athletes on the other hand are paid representatives of the university of Mississippi. (Via scholarships et al)
Therefore these public employees are held to a different standard of accountability than those random fans in the stands "booing" and what not.

 

[Shamoan]

if they really want to show how sensitive they are to the GLBTQ community (yes, that is what the official letter referenced, for those not in the know, thats gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual, and *****), they should wear giant rainbows on their helmet in support of that particular segment of the population.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

OM AD Bjork saying no punishment. Hugh Kellenburger craw fishing with "I never said the players used slurs". ESPN saying no evidence players involved. It's over...

 

[the1stCroMagnon]

So ends this episode of "Rebel Bashing!"

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

just hold a retreat at Camp Wesley Pines and they'll teach from the New Testament, I'm sure. Then there will be a nice writeup in the various newspapers around the state expressing how great of a Christian Freezus is.

More like at Camp Lake Stephens. It's close to Oxford, and they boys can go canoeing after the sermon.

 

[DerHntr]

Gameday

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