Tariffs....so what now ?

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HailStout

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This will get locked quickly, but the fact that checks and balances still exist and most importantly the Supreme Court remains its own entity separate from the executive branch makes me happy. I’m not saying the tariffs are good are bad, I just didn’t like how much power one man in the government appeared to have. For those of us that believe in small central government and love the idea behind how the American government is supposed to work, this is a good thing.
 

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Interesting. I would argue our judicial branch has possibly overstepped its purview, not in this particular instance, but in others. Imagine a world where judges just applied the law and legislators made the law. Seems like they each would rather do the other's job sometimes.
 

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Interesting. I would argue our judicial branch has possibly overstepped its purview, not in this particular instance, but in others. Imagine a world where judges just applied the law and legislators made the law. Seems like they each would rather do the other's job sometimes.
Or maybe one where the executive branch just executed the laws that are on the books and didn‘t try to make up new ones.
 

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This will get locked quickly, but the fact that checks and balances still exist and most importantly the Supreme Court remains its own entity separate from the executive branch makes me happy. I’m not saying the tariffs are good are bad, I just didn’t like how much power one man in the government appeared to have. For those of us that believe in small central government and love the idea behind how the American government is supposed to work, this is a good thing.
No no no. The supreme court is compromised and we live in a dictatorship.

Nazi Germany all over again!!!
 

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Interesting. I would argue our judicial branch has possibly overstepped its purview, not in this particular instance, but in others. Imagine a world where judges just applied the law and legislators made the law. Seems like they each would rather do the other's job sometimes.

Your username & position are perfectly matched here… 🙂
 

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Or maybe one where the executive branch just executed the laws that are on the books and didn‘t try to make up new ones.
To be fair, we've allowed Executive Branch overstep for decades by allowing our congressmen to not do their job based on wanting them to have tenure so they could funnel money back to us and based on party loyalty/warfare. Trump has just ratcheted up the crazy to a level that makes you realize why too much executive power is a really bad thing. I'm not optimistic that we will learn anything. I expect the pendulum just to swing back way too far left as it normally does.
 
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To be fair, we've allowed Executive Branch overstep for decades by allowing our congressmen to not do their job based on wanting them to have tenure so they could funnel money back to us and based on party loyalty/warfare. Trump has just ratcheted up the crazy to a level that makes you realize why too much executive power is a really bad thing. I'm not optimistic that we will learn anything. I expect the pendulum just to swing back way to far left as it normally does.
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Interesting. I would argue our judicial branch has possibly overstepped its purview, not in this particular instance, but in others. Imagine a world where judges just applied the law and legislators made the law. Seems like they each would rather do the other's job sometimes.
Or how about the executive branch overstepping? That’s been going on for 30 plus years.
 

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This will get locked quickly, but the fact that checks and balances still exist and most importantly the Supreme Court remains its own entity separate from the executive branch makes me happy. I’m not saying the tariffs are good are bad, I just didn’t like how much power one man in the government appeared to have. For those of us that believe in small central government and love the idea behind how the American government is supposed to work, this is a good thing.
The ongoing problem is how cozy the legislative branch usually is with the executive. When both are under control of the same party, there is no separation. The legislature becomes a bill factory for the executive to sign.
 

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It is amazing to me that there are Republicans who think the President being able to unilaterly impose tariffs is a good thing. The ball keeps on bouncing and the pendelum is always swingning. It's not going to happen in the immediate future, but at some point a left-wing version of Trump is going to come along. Imagine someone like Bernie Sanders or some other Progressive lunatic having that kind of power.
 

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It is amazing to me that there are Republicans who think the President being able to unilaterly impose tariffs is a good thing. The ball keeps on bouncing and the pendelum is always swingning. It's not going to happen in the immediate future, but at some point a left-wing version of Trump is going to come along. Imagine someone like Bernie Sanders or some other Progressive lunatic having that kind of power.
This. 100% this. You can’t make the president all powerful just because you like his endgame.
 

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This will get locked quickly, but the fact that checks and balances still exist and most importantly the Supreme Court remains its own entity separate from the executive branch makes me happy. I’m not saying the tariffs are good are bad, I just didn’t like how much power one man in the government appeared to have. For those of us that believe in small central government and love the idea behind how the American government is supposed to work, this is a good thing.
This is not a political statement because both parties do it. But Executive Branch has assumed a lot more power than the constitution allows & legislative branch just lets it happen. This goes all the way back to Thomas Jefferson & the Louisiana purchase (which was actually good that he did that, he had real reservations). But it’s been abused for several decades now. (And now I read the rest of the thread & realize I’m just repeating what several others have already said.)
 

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It is amazing to me that there are Republicans who think the President being able to unilaterly impose tariffs is a good thing. The ball keeps on bouncing and the pendelum is always swingning. It's not going to happen in the immediate future, but at some point a left-wing version of Trump is going to come along. Imagine someone like Bernie Sanders or some other Progressive lunatic having that kind of power.
If we are being honest the GOP has been infiltrated by MAGA. One man's brand. MAGA doesn't stand on traditional GOP values, nor promote the GOP in any way. They simply use the power that controlling one of two parties affords. They don't even pretend any more to hold traditional conservative values. I would argue that Republicans are not in favor, but the Republican party doesn't currently contain enough Republicans to matter...
 
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I will leave the what’s legal arguments to others, but from someone that worked in American manufacturing for almost 45 years, some sort of tariffs or road blocks are desperately needed to help American manufacturing survive and hopefully prosper. I could write a book about Companies in China and other places coping our designs and stealing our customers with much cheaper products and prices. We had cases in 2 different companies I worked for where the Chinese Companies actually used our Company name and part numbers on their products. Today’s decision will significantly hurt opportunities for local companies to compete and hire additional employees. Long term, the situation we find ourselves in today is bad for manufacturing and bad for the Country.
 

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Trump has talked about the US being ripped off by other countries for decades. We have been on the underside of every trade deal going all the way back to the early 90's. Why should the US fund the world? It has contributed to the massive national debt....that, and being sneaky corrupt with our tax dollars.
 

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I agree with Clarence Thomas on this matter. Congress granted the president the authority to control importation. This control includes the power to impose duties. Duties and tariffs are the same. Eta Any honest person would read the statutes and agree that those words mean what they say. Typically some people would say here you control it. Oh wait not like that. Im fairly pleased with falling inflation and growing GDP as well as the Dow Jones. But hey let's do our best to 17 that up
 
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I will leave the what’s legal arguments to others, but from someone that worked in American manufacturing for almost 45 years, some sort of tariffs or road blocks are desperately needed to help American manufacturing survive and hopefully prosper. I could write a book about Companies in China and other places coping our designs and stealing our customers with much cheaper products and prices. We had cases in 2 different companies I worked for where the Chinese Companies actually used our Company name and part numbers on their products. Today’s decision will significantly hurt opportunities for local companies to compete and hire additional employees. Long term, the situation we find ourselves in today is bad for manufacturing and bad for the Country.
The idea of thoughtfully considering the landscape and implementing economic reforms that give us the best shot at prospering in a global economy is not bad. If out of that consideration, by experts in the field pointed to a reasonable course to chart, then that would be OK. Randomly implementing various percentages of tariffs executively based on who you like the least or who disagreed with you, then changing on a dime and revoking them, sometimes within 24 to 48 hours is not policy. It's unfortunate the our country has real needs and does not elect adults.
 

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The entire legal system in this country is a mess regardless of this ruling or the next. There's really no debate, and that includes the highly politicized Supreme Court.
 
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HailStout

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If we are being honest the GOP has been infiltrated by MAGA. One man's brand. MAGA doesn't stand on traditional GOP values, not promote the GOP in any way. They simply use the power that controlling one of two parties affords. They don't even pretend any more to hold traditional conservative values. I would argue that Republicans are not in favor, but the Republican party doesn't currently contain enough Republicans to matter...
Yep. There are a lot of us conservatives who have no one to vote for.

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I will leave the what’s legal arguments to others, but from someone that worked in American manufacturing for almost 45 years, some sort of tariffs or road blocks are desperately needed to help American manufacturing survive and hopefully prosper. I could write a book about Companies in China and other places coping our designs and stealing our customers with much cheaper products and prices. We had cases in 2 different companies I worked for where the Chinese Companies actually used our Company name and part numbers on their products. Today’s decision will significantly hurt opportunities for local companies to compete and hire additional employees. Long term, the situation we find ourselves in today is bad for manufacturing and bad for the Country.
I dont think tariffs are the answer for the problems you are describing. US and international trade and IP laws address that type of copying.

Perhaps Tariffs do help "local companies to compete and hire additional employees". Today's decision does not stop that from happening. Today's decision confirms the tariff power belongs to Congress.

If you support these broad tariffs (and Im not arguing against tariffs at all here) then write your congressman and get the ball rolling.
 
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No no no. The supreme court is compromised and we live in a dictatorship.

Nazi Germany all over again!!!
The damage has been done already.
So, yay.
This is worse than Germany, we have a sitting president stealing money from us, taxpayers. See tariffs, see $10B lawsuit that he "won" against himself, see $10B for the Board of Dictators aka Peace Board.
It's all a ruse...and yet morons STILL don't see it.
 
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It is amazing to me that there are Republicans who think the President being able to unilaterly impose tariffs is a good thing. The ball keeps on bouncing and the pendelum is always swingning. It's not going to happen in the immediate future, but at some point a left-wing version of Trump is going to come along. Imagine someone like Bernie Sanders or some other Progressive lunatic having that kind of power.
Payback is motherphucker.
 

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Trump has talked about the US being ripped off by other countries for decades. We have been on the underside of every trade deal going all the way back to the early 90's. Why should the US fund the world? It has contributed to the massive national debt....that, and being sneaky corrupt with our tax dollars.
My perspective is we get ripped off when foreign countries steal our IP, and we should have some pretty serious diplomatic measures for such things where the measure itself can reasonably be assured to deter future such activity (perhaps not possible?).

Our country gets bigly ripped off by politicians who use the pain of our manufacturing sector for votes and power without ever having any real intent or plan to make it better.

We rip ourselves off when we believe that it is possible to manufacture certain commodity items in the US affordably and it is not. The entire US population votes with their wallet when pushed to consider an expensive US product vs a cheap Chinese one, when the cost difference is significant. If we want to do something truly beneficial to the country, we would determine how our strengths can best be used to compete and lead in the world economy. Raising tariffs on widgets simply means that we will see the cost of widgets go up (inflation), or people will just stop buying widgets (bankruptcy). From a capitalistic viewpoint, if you cannot manufacture goods at a cost that is globally marketable, you will suffer some consequences because we are in a global economy and that isn't changing.

Full disclosure, I was part of a manufacturing entity that could never get it's cost centers low enough to compete and went out of business. They would have been better off financially to off shore their manufacturing and keep the design side stateside. And you really don't even want to walk down the moral considerations about what it means that I buy a bunch of cheap produced by poorly treated workers in plants that can pollute with impunity.
 
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