Team USA deserves a very nice participation trophy

HammerOfTheDogs

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For the US to make the next move, they're going to have to have players with Michael Jordan's athleticism but with your average Euro or South American's passion for the game. If you noticed yesterday, Team USA's defense was spectacular...Americans are usually excellent goalies, if for no other reason they can use their hands. Our defensemen are good, because it takes more athleticism than imagination to defend a guy.

However, the American Futbol kids who live eat and breathe the game, are much slower and less agile than your average football or basketball players. The kind of player who can make others miss, and who can stick it in the corner at 40 yards out with a bend in the kick....these are the players the U.S. desperately needs.

Also, U.S. coaching leaves much to be desired....your average American coach is more like this:

or he's some stoner.

For America to be as good as the other countries, you're going to have to have kids who go out and play pickup games from dawn-to-dusk the same way many kids play basketball today or used to play baseball. Maybe with all the recent Hispanic immigrants, and perhaps a bump in popularity after the U.S.'s showing in the World Cup, might produce better athletes.
 

BiscuitEater

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Real question ...

For the US to make the next move, they're going to have to have players with Michael Jordan's athleticism but with your average Euro or South American's passion for the game.

Does World Cup have an "All Tournament Team?" Howard has got to be considered in the discussion no matter what happens the rest of the way.
 

GloryDawg

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Too many better options of sports for kids to play. Soccer will never be big in the United States.
 

ArcherSPS

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Considering it's the second most popular sport behind football for 12-24 y/os you're dead wrong.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Too many better options of sports for kids to play. Soccer will never be big in the United States.
Where do you live? Soccer is almost #1 in kids sports right now and growing every year. It will be the most popular sport within a decade.
 

FlotownDawg

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Soccer is the perfect sport for kids to play

Just get out there, run up and down a field for 30-45 minutes and kick a ball around. Not a lot of complicated rules to learn and it's great for fitness. It's also a great sport for parents to watch their kids play. A parent of a child who played on the same soccer team my daughter played on last spring made a great point in saying that in soccer, parents can actually watch their kids play for almost the entire match, unless they're substituted out. In baseball, the kid will spend most of his time sitting in the dugout or standing out in the field waiting for a ball to come to him, so a parent won't get to see him do much of anything other than when he comes to bad 2 or 3 times a game. In soccer, the child is always a part of the action with no downtime when nothing is happening.
 

GloryDawg

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Considering it's the second most popular sport behind football for 12-24 y/os you're dead wrong.

I can see that number being real however I bet there are more boys playing baseball and football between those ages. It's obvious a sport that has both genders playing it will have more. Let's look at highschool only. You have 284k boys playing soccer. You have 1 million boys playing football and 500K boys playing basketball.

Here is another way to look at it.

You have 1 in 6000 chance of going pro in the NFL
you have 1 in 4000 chance of going pro in Baseball
you have 1 in 10,000 chance of going pro in basketball
You have 1 in 90 chance of going pro in soccer.

Sorry but in my opinion it will never be that big in the United States.
 

ArcherSPS

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Popular as in to watch...Hell the USA matches got more viewers than any non ESPN football event ever...More than MLB College BB and NBA
 

FlotownDawg

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You're high school soccer logic is very flawed

as is your 1 in 90 have a chance to go professional in soccer. Some of the best soccer players in America don't even play soccer for their high school. They play elite club or academy soccer. You think Jozy Altidore was playing high school soccer when he was 16 or 17? Hell no, he was playing academy soccer in Florida before being drafted by the MLS when he was 18. Many small schools don't even have soccer programs, so athletes play club soccer in the area. Also, soccer is an international sport, with players from all over the world. It's not like the NFL where you only have to compete with other Americans for a professional spot. Even the MLS has many, many international players that Americans have to compete with for spots. It's not as nearly as easy to go pro as you are making it sound.
 

WrapItDog

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This soccer trophy would be acceptable for participation

 

DerHntr

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I can see that number being real however I bet there are more boys playing baseball and football between those ages. It's obvious a sport that has both genders playing it will have more. Let's look at highschool only. You have 284k boys playing soccer. You have 1 million boys playing football and 500K boys playing basketball.

Here is another way to look at it.

You have 1 in 6000 chance of going pro in the NFL
you have 1 in 4000 chance of going pro in Baseball
you have 1 in 10,000 chance of going pro in basketball
You have 1 in 90 chance of going pro in soccer.

Sorry but in my opinion it will never be that big in the United States.

So wait... Are you saying that because you think it is easier to go pro in a sport that LESS kids would want to play it?

#DoesNotCompute
 

GloryDawg

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Popular as in to watch...Hell the USA matches got more viewers than any non ESPN football event ever...More than MLB College BB and NBA

You might as well compare an apple to a orange. We are talking about a team that represents an nation of 300 million people vs an team that represents half a state or a town.
 

horshack.sixpack

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I can see that number being real however I bet there are more boys playing baseball and football between those ages. It's obvious a sport that has both genders playing it will have more. Let's look at highschool only. You have 284k boys playing soccer. You have 1 million boys playing football and 500K boys playing basketball.

Here is another way to look at it.

You have 1 in 6000 chance of going pro in the NFL
you have 1 in 4000 chance of going pro in Baseball
you have 1 in 10,000 chance of going pro in basketball
You have 1 in 90 chance of going pro in soccer.

Sorry but in my opinion it will never be that big in the United States.

You clearly don't understand how soccer works. Many club teams require players to sign a contract staying that the will NOT play anywhere else, especially for their high school team. Otherwise it sounds like you are just making up numbers to support your dislike of the sport. Just dislike it. I'll never understand why people feel the need to convince others...
 

HammerOfTheDogs

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I think that lawsuits against football teams, football equipment companies, higher insurance costs to field football teams, will make soccer the only viable alternative within the next generation.
 

o_1984Dawg

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1 in 90... which explains the hundreds of Mississippians that have made it in MLS...
 
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Ten years ago,I would have called you crazy (assuming you were talking about 20 years into the future) but now, I tend to agree with you. My own crackpot (and to avoid a debate I will emphasize crackpot) theory is that the pussification of football for the sake of player safety will have contributed this.

I loved the violent nature of football. It's raw brutality as seen in athletic play was always the most appealing part. It's a primal appreciation for violence. Now, I certainly didn't want anyone to be seriously injured and I appreciate the measures imposed by the NCAA and NFL from a societal standpoint, but I miss the old days where a nice hit was applauded instead of penalized.

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