Tengwall Film Study - PSU 4th Quarter Offense

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PSU 4th Q FILM STUDY

See link above. Video focuses on the two 4th quarter scoring drives and what suddenly shifted. Codutti will breakdown OT tomorrow. I will say, while these were two possessions that ended in the end zone, Landon remains really balanced in his analysis and points out a fair share of recurring red flags when it comes to imaginative play calling and player execution. Also, the Wildcat false start sequence was fascinating. As difficult as it is, enjoy.
 
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Tengwall's analysis is just spot on. He is really good at this, especially for a young guy basically getting started in the analysis business.

Here's his postgame rant which was predictably angry but really insightful:


Of course QB is (to some people's surprise) the weakest unit on the team. But Tengwall is right to point the finger at Coach K. The PSU beat writers, Audrey and John Sauber, have been calling Coach K a genius for 2 years now and I just don't see it, I've never seen it. The offense speaks for itself -- there are talented players but the scheme doesn't do anything for them. The presnap razzle dazzle has never been of any value against quality teams. Wildcat is a great example of something being called for no reason other than it's lodged in Coach K's mind -- it obviously isn't being called because it's working. Instead of repeatedly calling plays that work, he repeatedly calls plays that don't work. What's genius about that?

The O-line with all this returning talent, with all these potential NFL players -- it's playing decidedly worse than a year ago and Allar is playing decidedly worse than a year ago. And you can't blame the receivers -- there are 4 really good receivers out there, 3 guys who are proven successes plus Reynolds who has all-B1G potential. If you have those four guys out there and they're not getting open, you have to start to question the route design. PSU's whole offensive design is tired and predictable
 

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Tengwall's analysis is just spot on. He is really good at this, especially for a young guy basically getting started in the analysis business.

Here's his postgame rant which was predictably angry but really insightful:


Of course QB is (to some people's surprise) the weakest unit on the team. But Tengwall is right to point the finger at Coach K. The PSU beat writers, Audrey and John Sauber, have been calling Coach K a genius for 2 years now and I just don't see it, I've never seen it. The offense speaks for itself -- there are talented players but the scheme doesn't do anything for them. The presnap razzle dazzle has never been of any value against quality teams. Wildcat is a great example of something being called for no reason other than it's lodged in Coach K's mind -- it obviously isn't being called because it's working. Instead of repeatedly calling plays that work, he repeatedly calls plays that don't work. What's genius about that?

The O-line with all this returning talent, with all these potential NFL players -- it's playing decidedly worse than a year ago and Allar is playing decidedly worse than a year ago. And you can't blame the receivers -- there are 4 really good receivers out there, 3 guys who are proven successes plus Reynolds who has all-B1G potential. If you have those four guys out there and they're not getting open, you have to start to question the route design. PSU's whole offensive design is tired and predictable

You could see during that game, and Tengwell showed a few of those plays as well, that the wrs and rbs were getting open, but Allar just does not see them and bails on the play. Yeah, he compensated by using his legs a few times in the fourth quarter, but he did not do so in the fist 50 minutes of the game. He gives the illusion that he is an NFLQB with passes like the TD to Ross or one of those long td’s to Warren in the playoffs last year, but there are so many more examples of how he’s panicked and wild with pressure or even just the illusion of pressure from the defense. Unless there is a miraculous rebound the rest of the season, we just wasted 4 years with him. I place most of the offense blame on Allar, but I also acknowledge that AK called a pathetic game as well. The wildcat is so unbelievably stupid that I can’t believe we pay AK a 2 million dollar salary. He is the best in the country at breaking up rhythm on offense.
 

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The O-line with all this returning talent, with all these potential NFL players -- it's playing decidedly worse than a year ago and Allar is playing decidedly worse than a year ago. And you can't blame the receivers -- there are 4 really good receivers out there, 3 guys who are proven successes plus Reynolds who has all-B1G potential. If you have those four guys out there and they're not getting open, you have to start to question the route design. PSU's whole offensive design is tired and predictable
Been saying this for years! Especially with the OL. The blocking schemes do not seem to put PSU players in best position for success to open holes. We don't break long runs anymore. Everyone made a big deal about 71 lining up and pulling to trap a DE last year but the running back didn't follow him and cut it back sooner which cut down on the yardage that could have possibly been gained on the play had the RB followed the block. Ball carriers getting tackled in the backfield. Always seems to be a defender able to disrupt the offensive play call. And now receivers, even new ones that are supposed to be better, not able to get open!! Then we have OL go off to the NFL and be very successful!! Which I guess could be a bad thing because then the PSU coaching staff thinks they are doing things right.
 

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You could see during that game, and Tengwell showed a few of those plays as well, that the wrs and rbs were getting open, but Allar just does not see them and bails on the play. Yeah, he compensated by using his legs a few times in the fourth quarter, but he did not do so in the fist 50 minutes of the game. He gives the illusion that he is an NFLQB with passes like the TD to Ross or one of those long td’s to Warren in the playoffs last year, but there are so many more examples of how he’s panicked and wild with pressure or even just the illusion of pressure from the defense. Unless there is a miraculous rebound the rest of the season, we just wasted 4 years with him. I place most of the offense blame on Allar, but I also acknowledge that AK called a pathetic game as well. The wildcat is so unbelievably stupid that I can’t believe we pay AK a 2 million dollar salary. He is the best in the country at breaking up rhythm on offense.
Will Howard only was drafted in the sixth round, and he was a much better college qb than Allar ever has been. Right now, Allar probably will be a free agent camp arm.
 
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I have no problem being critical of Allar, his mechanics always break down in big games, but this O-line was awful....he was pressured on 18 of his 25 drop backs. And if you watch video, even if its initially well blocked, guys dont strain at all to hold for a beat longer, they block them, then just let them run at Drew. Its really affecting timing and offensive rhythm. Everything looks like a jailbreak because it is. We need an old school tough Oline coach in the worst way, again, minus a few games last year, Traut has been bad.
 
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They were lucky to be in that position. Oregon was the better team across the board. The warts do not go away. We saw them during preseason games.
I think the PSU coaches were just like me -- astounded by how good Oregon was. They lost most of their team from last year. They had true freshmen starting all over the place. Their QB had only started 5 games (Allar had started 43 games). By the third quarter it was obvious to me that Oregon's offensive line was better than ours, their defensive line was better than ours, their wide receivers and tight ends were better than ours, their DBs and linebackers were about as good as ours, and their QB was much better than our QB. Since Oregon is so young they will be even better when the play Ohio State for the Big championship. Luckily we don't play Oregon next year.

I think the coaches were married to the idea that we ran the ball at will against them last year, so this year we should be able to easily run the ball. When that didn't happen the coaches were perplexed for 3 quarters and didn't adjust the game plan.
 
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Two things I noticed on a few plays. The first is Allar doesn't really put much into his play fakes to the RB. It's sort of a lazy half fake. You can see it clearly on the TD pass. Also, on the fake jet sweep, Allar doesn't even try to make a play fake even though the WR is trying to play fake. A great play fake really freezes the LB's and affords the QB an extra second or two on a lot of plays. I wish he would improve that.
Secondly, I'm convinced Singleton has no peripheral vision. He can only see what's directly in front of him which is why he can't make cuts like Allen. On the handoff at minute 6:30 in the video, Singleton needed to plant his left foot and commit to cutting to the dump truck sized hole to his right. He made a baby cut and then went straight ahead into a wall of people. Allen would have made the correct cut in that situation the majority of the time.
 

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Two things I noticed on a few plays. The first is Allar doesn't really put much into his play fakes to the RB. It's sort of a lazy half fake. You can see it clearly on the TD pass. Also, on the fake jet sweep, Allar doesn't even try to make a play fake even though the WR is trying to play fake. A great play fake really freezes the LB's and affords the QB an extra second or two on a lot of plays. I wish he would improve that.
Secondly, I'm convinced Singleton has no peripheral vision. He can only see what's directly in front of him which is why he can't make cuts like Allen. On the handoff at minute 6:30 in the video, Singleton needed to plant his left foot and commit to cutting to the dump truck sized hole to his right. He made a baby cut and then went straight ahead into a wall of people. Allen would have made the correct cut in that situation the majority of the time.
Both Allar and Singleton put in the amount of effort to go through the motions and nothing else. It’s as if they both believe a large NFL contract is a certainty and they are just taking in NIL dollars to bridge the gap. They are both at risk of falling to much later rounds. Allen is playing himself into an early round! Kudos to him in terms of putting in the time and effort in the offseason to dramatically improve.
 

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Both Allar and Singleton put in the amount of effort to go through the motions and nothing else. It’s as if they both believe a large NFL contract is a certainty and they are just taking in NIL dollars to bridge the gap. They are both at risk of falling to much later rounds. Allen is playing himself into an early round! Kudos to him in terms of putting in the time and effort in the offseason to dramatically improve.
Last season, I didn't think that Allen would be an NFL back. Now, I think that he will be drafted ahead of either Allar or Singleton. Right now, I doubt that Allar even will be drafted.
 
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I have no problem being critical of Allar, his mechanics always break down in big games, but this O-line was awful....he was pressured on 18 of his 25 drop backs. And if you watch video, even if its initially well blocked, guys dont strain at all to hold for a beat longer, they block them, then just let them run at Drew. Its really affecting timing and offensive rhythm. Everything looks like a jailbreak because it is. We need an old school tough Oline coach in the worst way, again, minus a few games last year, Traut has been bad.
Several of those "pressures" were the responsibility of the QB - kind of like the Raiola kid at Nebraska (Allar is not as bad as that kid, to be clear, but still creates a lot of his own troubles. And, yes, the offensive line play was also sub-par.)
 

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Last season, I didn't think that Allen would be an NFL back. Now, I think that he will be drafted ahead of either Allar or Singleton. Right now, I doubt that Allar even will be drafted.
Allar will be drafted high, most likely in the first round, and will never see the field unless something changes dramatically. He’s just too much of a physical specimen for some of those teams to pass on him.

You have to remember that we still have a handful of games against very bad teams. And even if he maintains his current horrible form through the end of the year, it will mostly be forgotten when he’s running around in shorts in Holuba in March throwing to guys without any defense.
 

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Tengwall's analysis is just spot on. He is really good at this, especially for a young guy basically getting started in the analysis business.

Here's his postgame rant which was predictably angry but really insightful:


Of course QB is (to some people's surprise) the weakest unit on the team. But Tengwall is right to point the finger at Coach K. The PSU beat writers, Audrey and John Sauber, have been calling Coach K a genius for 2 years now and I just don't see it, I've never seen it. The offense speaks for itself -- there are talented players but the scheme doesn't do anything for them. The presnap razzle dazzle has never been of any value against quality teams. Wildcat is a great example of something being called for no reason other than it's lodged in Coach K's mind -- it obviously isn't being called because it's working. Instead of repeatedly calling plays that work, he repeatedly calls plays that don't work. What's genius about that?

The O-line with all this returning talent, with all these potential NFL players -- it's playing decidedly worse than a year ago and Allar is playing decidedly worse than a year ago. And you can't blame the receivers -- there are 4 really good receivers out there, 3 guys who are proven successes plus Reynolds who has all-B1G potential. If you have those four guys out there and they're not getting open, you have to start to question the route design. PSU's whole offensive design is tired and predictable

You're not wrong here, but I equally have a hard time believing that:

Kirk C is not a good OC
Mike Y is not a good OC
Andy K is not a good OC

Maybe 1 fooled everyone, maybe 2, not all 3.

So somewhere there is this disconnect, as these guys moved the ball pretty well, coached up successful offenses, etc. before they arrived. Then suddenly, in some big games, they just look lost for entire halves (or worse).

Is it the guy at the top overriding, the QB, I don't know. I do believe that there is a Grand Canyon between "This guy isn't good" and the garbage plan they had in the first half. With that talent, I would think a lot of guys could concoct the ability to move the ball. If talent is the issue, in Year 12 (and a portal), that's on the Head Coach.
 
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You're not wrong here, but I equally have a hard time believing that:

Kirk C is not a good OC
Mike Y is not a good OC
Andy K is not a good OC

Maybe 1 fooled everyone, maybe 2, not all 3.

So somewhere there is this disconnect, as these guys moved the ball pretty well, coached up successful offenses, etc. before they arrived. Then suddenly, in some big games, they just look lost for entire halves (or worse).

Is it the guy at the top overriding, the QB, I don't know. I do believe that there is a Grand Canyon between "This guy isn't good" and the garbage plan they had in the first half. With that talent, I would think a lot of guys could concoct the ability to move the ball. If talent is the issue, in Year 12 (and a portal), that's on the Head Coach.

I think this is a very valid point. I haven't heard/seen a lot of evidence that Franklin micromanages the offense or gets involved in playcalling, but these are three good OCs and when they come to PSU they don't exactly thrive. You could blame it on the absence of wide receivers or not enough athletes on the OL but not this year. To what extent is this offense Franklin's doing. I guess it's an academic question -- it is Franklin's responsibility in any case. The offense wasn't well prepared for that game Saturday and they had ~8 weeks to do it.
 

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I don't know what his focus is but I agree the chains look goofy. Who is he trying to imitate?
I’m not sure. You do not see Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen wearing that garbage. They do not need chains to prove to others they are some sort of badass. It really shows him a very poor light to wear that during a game. It shows me his mentality. This is not a comparison between coaches, but can you Paterno dealing with this situation? He’d rip the damn chain off his neck.
 

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I think this is a very valid point. I haven't heard/seen a lot of evidence that Franklin micromanages the offense or gets involved in playcalling, but these are three good OCs and when they come to PSU they don't exactly thrive. You could blame it on the absence of wide receivers or not enough athletes on the OL but not this year. To what extent is this offense Franklin's doing. I guess it's an academic question -- it is Franklin's responsibility in any case. The offense wasn't well prepared for that game Saturday and they had ~8 weeks to do it.
When I see a QB draw on 3rd and 9, I KNOW it's Franklin. He is the only person in the world who runs that with slow QB's and such long distances to gain the first down. It has been a total staple of his offenses since he has been here. It's his nervous call....when he doesn't know what to call, or he loses faith in the QB or OC, its QB draw time.
 
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I've been skeptical of Allar's ability for a long time now. He just didn't improve much from year 1 to year 2 as a starter -- it was a sign he hit his peak early and didn't have any more upside. His biggest disadvantage is consistency throwing the ball. You'd think that would improve with experience and work on mechanics, but .... That final interception Saturday night was a bad decision but it was also an inaccurate throw (just like the ND interception).

However, at this point I think Allar doesn't deserve anger/abuse. He's doing the best he can. Franklin didn't have a real quarterback competition, never really gave Pribula an honest shot at it. Allar was the starter the moment he stepped on campus, it's all been on his shoulders, and he's not superman, he's not an NFL quarterback, he's just Drew Allar. All the hype around him was just manufactured but his play never really justified it. You want to see a future NFL QB, there are about 5 of them in the Big Ten this year starting with the Oregon freshman, who can already do all kinds of things Allar will never do.

But the responsibility rests not with Allar but Kotelnicki and Franklin. It's the coaches' job to design an offense that gives the players confidence and harnesses their abilities. Allar does some things really well, such as throw deep. So why have an offense that only has him throw deep 1 or 2 times a game?
 
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PSU 4th Q FILM STUDY

See link above. Video focuses on the two 4th quarter scoring drives and what suddenly shifted. Codutti will breakdown OT tomorrow. I will say, while these were two possessions that ended in the end zone, Landon remains really balanced in his analysis and points out a fair share of recurring red flags when it comes to imaginative play calling and player execution. Also, the Wildcat false start sequence was fascinating. As difficult as it is, enjoy.
I think the biggest problem with the OL, and it has been for several seasons, if they dont keep their shoulders square to the LOS, especially on their combo blocks . Guys keep getting turned.
 

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You're not wrong here, but I equally have a hard time believing that:

Kirk C is not a good OC
Mike Y is not a good OC
Andy K is not a good OC

Maybe 1 fooled everyone, maybe 2, not all 3.

So somewhere there is this disconnect, as these guys moved the ball pretty well, coached up successful offenses, etc. before they arrived. Then suddenly, in some big games, they just look lost for entire halves (or worse).

Is it the guy at the top overriding, the QB, I don't know. I do believe that there is a Grand Canyon between "This guy isn't good" and the garbage plan they had in the first half. With that talent, I would think a lot of guys could concoct the ability to move the ball. If talent is the issue, in Year 12 (and a portal), that's on the Head Coach.
but their are 2 common denominators to this , CJF is only one of them. You figure out the other.
 
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I’m not sure. You do not see Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen wearing that garbage. They do not need chains to prove to others they are some sort of badass. It really shows him a very poor light to wear that during a game. It shows me his mentality. This is not a comparison between coaches, but can you Paterno dealing with this situation? He’d rip the damn chain off his neck.
Speaking of Joe, he called Cefelo into his office for taking a weak academic schedule , called it “beneath him”. What would he think of Allan taking 1 online course….and the fact that Allar is only making the effort for one online course, rather than taking advantage of the education available to him is quite revealing.
 

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I think this is a very valid point. I haven't heard/seen a lot of evidence that Franklin micromanages the offense or gets involved in playcalling, but these are three good OCs and when they come to PSU they don't exactly thrive. You could blame it on the absence of wide receivers or not enough athletes on the OL but not this year. To what extent is this offense Franklin's doing. I guess it's an academic question -- it is Franklin's responsibility in any case. The offense wasn't well prepared for that game Saturday and they had ~8 weeks to do it.
2 of the 3 earned their reputation in the Big 12, where defense is optional.
 

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I’m not sure. You do not see Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen wearing that garbage. They do not need chains to prove to others they are some sort of badass. It really shows him a very poor light to wear that during a game. It shows me his mentality. This is not a comparison between coaches, but can you Paterno dealing with this situation? He’d rip the damn chain off his neck.
LOL. You’re a funny guy.
 
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I just don't get the chains these kids wear while playing. Seems they could easily be used a) to get ripped apart, or b) strangle you.!
I think I remember seeing his chain got broken in last weeks game. He must have a jeweler guy.
 

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Allar will be drafted high, most likely in the first round, and will never see the field unless something changes dramatically. He’s just too much of a physical specimen for some of those teams to pass on him.

You have to remember that we still have a handful of games against very bad teams. And even if he maintains his current horrible form through the end of the year, it will mostly be forgotten when he’s running around in shorts in Holuba in March throwing to guys without any defense.
Allar would have to improve in a lot of different areas to be a 1st rounder at this point. There's a lot of film out there on him.
 
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I know coaches are supposed to fit the system to the players, but I just think AK and Allar are oil and water. AK needs a RPO type QB like Beau for his system that he really wants to run to be successful. Allar has at best average mobility, and is more of a pure pocket passer. I look at next year and see Grunk lined up another QB that probably has better mobility than Allar but not a true RPO option like Beau (I am using Beau as an example not saying they should of kept him at PSU). Just not sure where this goes, does AK start recruiting RPO QB's or try to keep fitting square pegs in round holes. I am just not sure AK true offensive system can work well with pure pocket passers.
 
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I've been skeptical of Allar's ability for a long time now. He just didn't improve much from year 1 to year 2 as a starter -- it was a sign he hit his peak early and didn't have any more upside. His biggest disadvantage is consistency throwing the ball. You'd think that would improve with experience and work on mechanics, but .... That final interception Saturday night was a bad decision but it was also an inaccurate throw (just like the ND interception).

However, at this point I think Allar doesn't deserve anger/abuse. He's doing the best he can. Franklin didn't have a real quarterback competition, never really gave Pribula an honest shot at it. Allar was the starter the moment he stepped on campus, it's all been on his shoulders, and he's not superman, he's not an NFL quarterback, he's just Drew Allar. All the hype around him was just manufactured but his play never really justified it. You want to see a future NFL QB, there are about 5 of them in the Big Ten this year starting with the Oregon freshman, who can already do all kinds of things Allar will never do.

But the responsibility rests not with Allar but Kotelnicki and Franklin. It's the coaches' job to design an offense that gives the players confidence and harnesses their abilities. Allar does some things really well, such as throw deep. So why have an offense that only has him throw deep 1 or 2 times a game?
Allar needs Gundy and his air raid offense to rip that ball downfield. Enough of these 5-7 yard throws... :cool:
 

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but their are 2 common denominators to this , CJF is only one of them. You figure out the other.
The CJF common denominator is obvious. Rutgers with Ciarrocca and Youngstown State with Yurcich are both scoring points. Rutgers is scoring more than they have in over a decade. I'm not sure what is the second. In my opinion it is irrelevant.

In being critical of Franklin, one has to look at who he is and how that feeds into his strengths and weaknesses. My assessment of him is that from an intellectual standpoint, he is not stupid, but he does lack that esoteric quality that makes him an effective game manager in critical situations, particularly big games.

He is someone who has been studious with respect to his craft and has worked his tail off to get to the position he currently holds. This is reflected in the program from an organizational standpoint. He can be criticized for big game failures, but what he does do is he run a very impressive program from an organizational standpoint. This results in top shelf development of the athletes as demonstrated by combine results and the draft. Penn State has done better at this then what the historical recruiting results would show. The recruiting has been very good, and recruits and their families seem to respond to him favorably. Some high-level recruits were probably lost due to the big game records which has resulted in recruiting being only very good and not exceptional.

His NFL experience shows up in a good way in that he excels at evaluating high school talent and he knows what needs to be done in order for them to reach their full athletic potential. The negative is that he approaches game planning and game management like he is coaching an NFL team. This shows up in his weekly press conference where he immediately talks about turnovers, field position, penalties and time of possession. While the NFL and NCAA are playing the same game, there are differences in the execution of game plans. For clarification, I am not saying that the parameters he references are not important, his fear of being on the wrong side of them is what seemingly handcuffs the offense from being more open. This results in the use of gimmicks to generate explosive plays which too often ends in what he is trying to avoid being realized.

The speed of the game is different and the windows of opportunity in the college game are larger than in the NFL. When he speaks about staying on schedule, it is more critical in the NFL with the smaller opportunity windows due to the speed of the game. In college, the primary objective is to score points. A case in point is the 1994 PSU team which had an average time of under 2 minutes per scoring drive. That team was never on schedule. It is also why the offense looks boring as noted by T Frank on a recent podcast.

While CJF delegates play calling to the coordinators, I would hypothesize that he puts handcuffs on them due to his need to "stay on schedule". He looks for coordinators to add "special plays" to add spice to an otherwise bland and predictable offense.

After the 2nd Oregon touchdown, the offense opened up, and it looked completely different than what we saw in the first three quarters. The TV camera panned on CJF after Oregon went up by 14 and he had a look of resignation on his face. After watching the PSU offensive resurgence, it made me wonder if he had completely deferred to the OC to do whatever he thinks in order to get a score.

With respect to Drew, he does have weakness in recognition. His accuracy has been inconsistent. Is this a coaching / development issue, or is it related to how the offense is game planned and when adjustments are made when the game plan goes off the tracks? Or is it an issue of he doesn't have "IT". I can only guess.

What stood out to me on the final play was not only the safety was following Drew's eyes. the whole secondary had shifted to the right side of the field. The wide receiver on the left side had one on one coverage on nearly 2/3 of the field. A top cornerback would have trouble covering an average wide receiver all over the amount of the field available.

As far as CJF is considered, at this point of his career one could categorize him as having a very high floor with a ceiling that is only a couple of feet above the floor. We will most likely continue to see what transpired on Saturday again and again unless he rethinks his approach to game management and proves me wrong with regard to critical game management. Less analytics and more gut feel (if he even has that capability).
 

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The CJF common denominator is obvious. Rutgers with Ciarrocca and Youngstown State with Yurcich are both scoring points. Rutgers is scoring more than they have in over a decade. I'm not sure what is the second. In my opinion it is irrelevant.

In being critical of Franklin, one has to look at who he is and how that feeds into his strengths and weaknesses. My assessment of him is that from an intellectual standpoint, he is not stupid, but he does lack that esoteric quality that makes him an effective game manager in critical situations, particularly big games.

He is someone who has been studious with respect to his craft and has worked his tail off to get to the position he currently holds. This is reflected in the program from an organizational standpoint. He can be criticized for big game failures, but what he does do is he run a very impressive program from an organizational standpoint. This results in top shelf development of the athletes as demonstrated by combine results and the draft. Penn State has done better at this then what the historical recruiting results would show. The recruiting has been very good, and recruits and their families seem to respond to him favorably. Some high-level recruits were probably lost due to the big game records which has resulted in recruiting being only very good and not exceptional.

His NFL experience shows up in a good way in that he excels at evaluating high school talent and he knows what needs to be done in order for them to reach their full athletic potential. The negative is that he approaches game planning and game management like he is coaching an NFL team. This shows up in his weekly press conference where he immediately talks about turnovers, field position, penalties and time of possession. While the NFL and NCAA are playing the same game, there are differences in the execution of game plans. For clarification, I am not saying that the parameters he references are not important, his fear of being on the wrong side of them is what seemingly handcuffs the offense from being more open. This results in the use of gimmicks to generate explosive plays which too often ends in what he is trying to avoid being realized.

The speed of the game is different and the windows of opportunity in the college game are larger than in the NFL. When he speaks about staying on schedule, it is more critical in the NFL with the smaller opportunity windows due to the speed of the game. In college, the primary objective is to score points. A case in point is the 1994 PSU team which had an average time of under 2 minutes per scoring drive. That team was never on schedule. It is also why the offense looks boring as noted by T Frank on a recent podcast.

While CJF delegates play calling to the coordinators, I would hypothesize that he puts handcuffs on them due to his need to "stay on schedule". He looks for coordinators to add "special plays" to add spice to an otherwise bland and predictable offense.

After the 2nd Oregon touchdown, the offense opened up, and it looked completely different than what we saw in the first three quarters. The TV camera panned on CJF after Oregon went up by 14 and he had a look of resignation on his face. After watching the PSU offensive resurgence, it made me wonder if he had completely deferred to the OC to do whatever he thinks in order to get a score.

With respect to Drew, he does have weakness in recognition. His accuracy has been inconsistent. Is this a coaching / development issue, or is it related to how the offense is game planned and when adjustments are made when the game plan goes off the tracks? Or is it an issue of he doesn't have "IT". I can only guess.

What stood out to me on the final play was not only the safety was following Drew's eyes. the whole secondary had shifted to the right side of the field. The wide receiver on the left side had one on one coverage on nearly 2/3 of the field. A top cornerback would have trouble covering an average wide receiver all over the amount of the field available.

As far as CJF is considered, at this point of his career one could categorize him as having a very high floor with a ceiling that is only a couple of feet above the floor. We will most likely continue to see what transpired on Saturday again and again unless he rethinks his approach to game management and proves me wrong with regard to critical game management. Less analytics and more gut feel (if he even has that capability).
The other denominator is the OL coach. Weak link. I’ve said that from day 1.
 

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Allar would have to improve in a lot of different areas to be a 1st rounder at this point. There's a lot of film out there on him.
You could be right. I saw projections a few weeks ago where he was still early to mid first round but just looked at a couple places now and he does seem to be falling. One mock draft had him behind Shelton, Rojas, DDS, AND Singleton. I wouldn’t draft him at all but he’s not really playing any worse than he did last year and some experts had him on the heisman watch so who knows.
 

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I've been skeptical of Allar's ability for a long time now. He just didn't improve much from year 1 to year 2 as a starter -- it was a sign he hit his peak early and didn't have any more upside. His biggest disadvantage is consistency throwing the ball. You'd think that would improve with experience and work on mechanics, but .... That final interception Saturday night was a bad decision but it was also an inaccurate throw (just like the ND interception).

However, at this point I think Allar doesn't deserve anger/abuse. He's doing the best he can. Franklin didn't have a real quarterback competition, never really gave Pribula an honest shot at it. Allar was the starter the moment he stepped on campus, it's all been on his shoulders, and he's not superman, he's not an NFL quarterback, he's just Drew Allar. All the hype around him was just manufactured but his play never really justified it. You want to see a future NFL QB, there are about 5 of them in the Big Ten this year starting with the Oregon freshman, who can already do all kinds of things Allar will never do.

But the responsibility rests not with Allar but Kotelnicki and Franklin. It's the coaches' job to design an offense that gives the players confidence and harnesses their abilities. Allar does some things really well, such as throw deep. So why have an offense that only has him throw deep 1 or 2 times a game?
It's amazing how many people keep saying Moore is a freshman. I won't even get into the rest of the nonsense.
 

KingLando

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Allar would have to improve in a lot of different areas to be a 1st rounder at this point. There's a lot of film out there on him.
And a lot of that film is impressive. See the TD. See the NFL throw moving the safety with his eye to get the ball to Dawkins. See the "inaccurate" passes that hit the hands of the receivers that are caught in the NFL.

The reality is simple. Like Nussmeier and Manning, Allar has talent but isn't overly impressive on the field. Some is on him. Most isn’t. Starting with the idiotic scheme he's playing in. Scouts will love the arm and the NFL throw while understanding his receivers are average or worse, his line can't block anyone (pressured something like 70% of the time) yet he makes throws others can't, has never complained, has rarely missed any time plus on the successful plays you see someone that can execute when put in position to do so.

The hate is largely people that always blame the QB or just wanted Beau to start...despite him having 1/10th of the skill
 
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I know coaches are supposed to fit the system to the players, but I just think AK and Allar are oil and water. AK needs a RPO type QB like Beau for his system that he really wants to run to be successful. Allar has at best average mobility, and is more of a pure pocket passer. I look at next year and see Grunk lined up another QB that probably has better mobility than Allar but not a true RPO option like Beau (I am using Beau as an example not saying they should of kept him at PSU). Just not sure where this goes, does AK start recruiting RPO QB's or try to keep fitting square pegs in round holes. I am just not sure AK true offensive system can work well with pure pocket passers.
AK has to adapt...if not he needs to go. He should have actually been fired on Sunday.
 

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And a lot of that film is impressive. See the TD. See the NFL throw moving the safety with his eye to get the ball to Dawkins. See the "inaccurate" passes that hit the hands of the receivers that are caught in the NFL.

The reality is simple. Like Nussmeier and Manning, Allar has talent but isn't overly impressive on the field. Some is on him. Most isn’t. Starting with the idiotic scheme he's playing in. Scouts will love the arm and the NFL throw while understanding his receivers are average or worse, his line can't block anyone (pressured something like 70% of the time) yet he makes throws others can't, has never complained, has rarely missed any time plus on the successful plays you see someone that can execute when put in position to do so.

The hate is largely people that always blame the QB or just wanted Beau to start...despite him having 1/10th of the skill
I’m not doubting the arm talent unfortunately it’s ridiculously inconsistent. And NFL scouts will see that too. Also, when they interview them the mental emotional part and what they see on film there may hurt his chances at a first round pick.
 

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You're not wrong here, but I equally have a hard time believing that:

Kirk C is not a good OC
Mike Y is not a good OC
Andy K is not a good OC

Maybe 1 fooled everyone, maybe 2, not all 3.

So somewhere there is this disconnect, as these guys moved the ball pretty well, coached up successful offenses, etc. before they arrived. Then suddenly, in some big games, they just look lost for entire halves (or worse).

Is it the guy at the top overriding, the QB, I don't know. I do believe that there is a Grand Canyon between "This guy isn't good" and the garbage plan they had in the first half. With that talent, I would think a lot of guys could concoct the ability to move the ball. If talent is the issue, in Year 12 (and a portal), that's on the Head Coach.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your conclusion.

However, the belief that it’s very possible all 3 offense coordinators (Ciarrocca, Yurcich, and Kotelnicki) could be bad, is not a stretch. Franklin has promoted Ricky Rahne and hired 5 offense coordinators (Donovan and Moorhead were the other 2) during his tenure at Penn State. Only Joe Moorhead was considered a success. And yes, Rahne, Ciarroca, Yurcich, and Donovan were really bad offense coordinators at Penn State and Kotelnicki (Mr. Gimmicks) is one step away from being shown the door. What they did before coming to Penn State is somewhat irrelevant.

Now, it was Franklin who hired Donovan, Ciarrocca, Yurcich, Kotelnicki, and promoted Rahne. So, the accountability for the sub par offense coordinators belongs to Franklin.
 

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I’m not doubting the arm talent unfortunately it’s ridiculously inconsistent. And NFL scouts will see that too. Also, when they interview them the mental emotional part and what they see on film there may hurt his chances at a first round pick.
There's certainly a chance he goes day two
I dont agree with the mental aspect at all. His freshman year everyone complained because he showed no emotion and now they complain that he does. He should be frustrated running this gimmick offense designed by a coach who should still be coaching in the FCS.
Almost all young QBs lack consistency. Watch Arch, Nussmeier, Beck. Hell watch Cam Ward last year when they faced someone with a pulse.