The season is not over yet. What will we be after we lose to O$U? Indiana? Potentially others? PSU is overrated…perhaps more so than previously thought.
Tengwall Film Study - PSU 4th Quarter Offense
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The inability to comprehend a double OT loss to Oregon doesn't mean we're going to be challenged, let alone lose, to anyone not Ohio State is frightening.
We were told all week by many that Oregon would boat race us out of the stadium on Saturday. Yet after the 2OT loss, many of those people are even more pessimistic than before. It’s shocking.
Agreed--I just don't understand.
I was angrier at 17-3 than I was when we lost. Now, I'm not saying I think we're the best team in the country or anything but I'm very confident the floor remains 10-2 and we'll, at least, host a playoff game.
Could something crazy happen--of course, but it's unlikely.
I think we have a better shot at beating Ohio State than we do of losing to Indiana
Time will tell. I have seen nothing to say that O$U will be our only remaining loss. We struggled in all 4 games. Made late valiant effort but still secured 9 years of a row of losing every meaningful game.
Now we have lost one of our few good LBs. Singleton is regressing. And statistically, Allar is one of the worst QBs in CFB.
If we play remotely like we did on Saturday. O$U will take us to the woodshed. Franklin and Allar will be shaking in their shoes…it will be a check down bonanza. And by then, O$U’s offense will be humming. A true #1 team.
You have no clue what you're talking about. I also never said we'd win
I know your struggle with simple concepts if I could draw pictures for you maybe you'd be less angry all the time
Picture of what?…you still think Allar is terrific…draw me a picture of that, Skippy.
I and a few others have been warning since August that PSU is mightily overrated. And Shazam…looks like we were right.
You were talking like Allar was an All-American. But alas you could have not been more wrong.
Get out your crayons and draw yourself a dunce cap.
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You're still proving that you don't read anything that was said.
Find a quote where I said he was an All-American or "terrific". I've said all along the scheme doesn't fit him and he should have entered the draft or portaled. Nothing I've said has changed. He's good enough--the system likely isn't.
We lost in double OT to a top 5 team--you're acting like Temple beat us.
You really need to read then you wouldn't just yell about stuff that wasn't said.
Any truly “big games” in there?
you mentioned Big 12 above. Our schedule is below that.
I’ll give one game. USC
Thank you for all the wisdom. You are just now figuring out we have a coaching problem? I guess you were holding out hope that Drew would thrive once the light went on with Franklin?
The bottom line is it is both. Franklin has 11 years+ of not winning big games.
Drew had been underwhelming his entire career as a former 4/5 star / top/#1 QB recruit. In fact if you look at the stats, he is below middling.
That is not just a scheme problem.
But hey, you know that - you’re such a football expert you surely are an NFL coach! Lol
Franklin is horrible in big games but you do have to credit him for beating USC last year although Tyler Warren saved his a##. USC was pretty good, certainly had talent close to us, a blue blood on the road and it got us into the playoff. I know I would have counted a loss against them as another Big Game James loss so throw him a bone. At this point it simply looks like even a broken clock is right twice a day.
It would be very un-Franklin, but why not start Grunkemeyer against ucla? ucla is lousy, so there is some room for error if Grunkemeyer falters. If he does, go to Allar (Smolik?). Sitting Allar would send a message to him and the rest of the team. If Allar can’t handle it, then that’s all you need to know. Grunkemeyer appears to be the future. Break him in with meaningful game reps against a subpar team. Again, very un-Franklin, but it should he on the table.
I would love to see one of the press regulars ask Franklin about such a QB change just to see how he would react to it.
I would love to see one of the press regulars ask Franklin about such a QB change just to see how he would react to it.
That is not a good idea. Grunk is not ready and if Franklin wants to guarantee losing the lockeroom then do this. Allar needs to improve but you don't go rotating QBs when you don't have a 2nd string guy ready. If our 2nd stringer was Beau, then probably you could do it but even at that you introduce whole QB controversy.
Grunk could not perform in middle to lower half of Big10 QBs?
Our schedule isn't below Big XII. He has two playoff wins which are big games.
I've been saying that since last year about AK and for YEARS regarding Franklin.
He's underwhelming because he's set up to fail. You look at stats instead of the big picture is the problem.
You're the one that doesn't follow the sport nationally enough to comprehend what is happening. Watch more football.
You're assuming that the way we played in the 4th quarter will carry over into the rest of the season. That is a big leap.
This team has issues on offense, a lot of them, coaching, schemes, QB play, O-Line.
I agree we have a good shot to still go 10-2. Let's see how Indiana looks over the next month. Their QB and WRs are good. We should beat Iowa because they won't be able to do much on offense.
Admittedly I still have hope vs OSU but that is just my heart talking. My head says don't have any hope because you will just break your heart.....again.
The Indiana game will probably be a play-in game. IF we get by them then we are hopefully hosting a first round game. At that point, who knows but if we have to play an Alabama or an Ole Miss or an A&M in the first round then Big Game James gets another bite of the apple. Will he pull the football away at the last minute again a la Charlie Brown or actually finally win one of these games.
I am hoping the O-Line improves. We got better last year as the season progressed. That will help this offense immensely. Maybe this Oregon game was a wake up call to Franklin, AK and Allar. Stick with what has been successful, put Allar in situations where he can succeed. And for the love of God when we get back into a game deciding situation if the play is not there then tell him to throw it to the next county.
You know that won't happen unless Allar gets injured and is unable to play. I would at least hope that both Grunk & Smolik will be given one series with the first team in the next two games.
It definitely won’t happen. Like I said, very un-Franklin. I still say that it should be on the table based on what we’ve seen from Allar and the offense.
Who cares? I've been off this board for 3-4 years now and come back to the same old Joe stories.
If Joe were coaching today, we would be Nebraska.
I'm not assuming anything. We're a flawed team and the 4th quarter success means nothing moving forward.
I don't understand the concern with Indiana. They'll beat teams they should. We have a huge talent advantage in over them and Franklin has proven he wins those games.
We agree on a lot of this. I just think the concern over Indiana is an overreaction. We definitely aren't title contenders as we had hoped but we're a safe playoff ta barring something absurd happening...which is always possible.
Right now they look like a disappointing 10-2 team.
It's a suggestion so you stop saying absurd things but you like being ridiculous
Allar is fine...listen to the other video. Everyone involved with our offense has to play better...that all starts with AK
The point would be that if our offense does not improve then Indiana will be a difficult game that we could lose. Cignetti is a better coach than Franklin by a pretty wide margin. We don't have the talent advantage at QB, Mendoza is excellent. Our OC stinks. Our defense will need to keep us in it. God forbid it comes down to the final minutes as we always seem to find ways to lose.
Nevertheless, if we win our ceiling is most likely just making the playoff.
What makes Cignetti a better coach? Franklin wins all the games he should. Cignetti hasn't exactly done well against teams with a pulse. It's a game Franklin SHOULD win. I have zero faith in him against Ohio State or Oregon or a few other teams but against Indiana we should win comfortably. Cignetti may be better but that isn't a fact right now. They both lose when they're supposed to.
Allar is more talented than Mendoza--Mendoza is currently more productive
I think it the offense remains stagnant we beat Indiana--if they improve then we destroy them.
We can win a playoff game--depends on the draw. Avoid Oregon, Ohio State and the SEC we have a legit chance. Miami is probably the only team outside those that I'd expect a loss--ND too if they make the playoff.
Allar is fine. Comical. Will he cry again after O$U demolishes him?
How much better can Allen play? He was the #1 graded player in last years playoff - on any team. And he continues to play at a very high level despite the struggles of OL, QB, WRs,…
Allen is possible exception but he can be better is pass protection. He should be getting 20+ carries a game though and I said that prior to last year.
Allar is playing fine given everything around him. It's not even debatable if you know what you're watching. Doesn't mean he doesn't need to improve but that will happen naturally when he gets protection and the play calling approves. So probably next year in the preseason with an NFL team.
I feel like winning in Iowa counts as a win against a team with a pulse.
Iowa lost in Ames at the buzzer and to Indiana.
Now I also think Penn State can beat Iowa but, if so, it will be a similar result as Indiana.
Penn State and Indiana are closer than I think you are giving them credit for, all due respect. They have the better QB, they're better coached on offense by a mile. If PSU is able to beat them handily, that won't make them any worse, either. Will just show growth from Penn State.
Iowa hasn't pulled off an upset in years. The Kinnick magic appears dead.
They have a more productive QB not the better QB. Put Allar in that scheme and you'd see that. Coaching I agree with but the talent discrepancy is huge and Penn State wins those games under Frankin. There's no reason to believe differently after a double OT loss to Oregon.
Ehh, winning at Iowa is still winning at Iowa.
If Penn State wins by 3, 1, whatever, it’s like twilight zone visiting there. I’ll take it.
In the context of more talented/more productive, don’t really care to get into that argument because it doesn’t matter much in regards to playing them this year.
Be it system or coaching or talent or whatever, they’re going to get better qb play.
I worry that we all have fallen into “we only lose to elite and can’t lose to non elite”. For a few years now, yes, but that’s not promised. Will be a loss at some point against a team not named Oregon or Ohio State or Michigan.
We disagree on the difficulty of winning at Iowa. I also don't care if we win by 1 or 25. That's not an impressive win for anyone.
That's what has been established and is the expectation. Nothing is a guarantee but that doesn't alter the expectation. Right now predicting or being overly concerned about Indiana or Iowa is simply an overreaction to Oregon. Doesn't mean it can't happen but those saying we could lose 5 or expecting to lose 3 are simply understandably frustrated with another failure against an elite team and are now overly pessimistic.
This was always a 10-2 playoff team on paper. Losing in 2 OTs to Oregon confirms that more than anything
I mean, you can’t ever know to prove it to you, but I was concerned about Iowa and Indiana all summer. No overreaction to anything.
Fair enough, I just don't understand the logic there given what we've done against team with less talent over the past few years.