The best strategy for our Football program

Allday.sixpack

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Is to budget 1M for elite strength and conditioning coach and nutrition specialist.
That plus NIL will help attract the best linemen to make our offense and defense successful.
Add Art Briles in the booth to manage the game and we will be back.
 

OG Goat Holder

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Is to budget 1M for elite strength and conditioning coach and nutrition specialist.
That plus NIL will help attract the best linemen to make our offense and defense successful.
Add Art Briles in the booth to manage the game and we will be back.
You’re not wrong on the S&C.
 

ETK99

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Is to budget 1M for elite strength and conditioning coach and nutrition specialist.
That plus NIL will help attract the best linemen to make our offense and defense successful.
Add Art Briles in the booth to manage the game and we will be back.
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Leeshouldveflanked

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You won’t get many OL from the state of Mississippi that will make much of an impact for 2-3 years.The OL coaching is so bad at the HS level. You occasionally get a Porkchop Wommack or Charles Cross but more often than not you get a Reed Buys or Gabe Cavazos. A lot easier to get DL and other Defensive players from Mississippi. More of strength, speed and reaction type of players.
 

Maroon13

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Contract with smu or Baylor or TxTech. Offer to play our home v them in att for 3M. Do it again with fsu or Miami or UNC or NCSt etc Etc. until the program is out of its hole.

example:
  • Georgia Tech has a six-year contract with Mercedes-Benz Stadium and can earn a guaranteed
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Allday.sixpack

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My question and point is how do we lure elite linemen without elite strength and conditioning. You don’t. It’s not just an NIL issue it’s a staff strategy plus NIL
 

Perd Hapley

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My question and point is how do we lure elite linemen without elite strength and conditioning. You don’t. It’s not just an NIL issue it’s a staff strategy plus NIL
Please link the list of both the AP and USA Today final Strength and Conditioning Top 25 polls from the past 10 years. I think this would help us narrow down who our targets should be***
 

bulldoghair

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How has someone like a Vanderbilt’s offensive line been better than ours the past two seasons?
 

Perd Hapley

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What's the story on Aaron Feld?
Last I heard, he was our former deep snapper who is the S&C coach at Miami, where he followed Mario Cristobal from Oregon.

How strong and conditioned are the Hurricanes? Who the hell knows.
 

bulldoghair

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We have lazy players. Especially on the OL. You only have to watch for one quarter to see it.
Why do you think they’re lazy? Do you think a big cause could be Lebby’s scheme, being the fastest tempo in the SEC for the 2025 season, averaging 22.2 seconds per play?
 

OG Goat Holder

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My question and point is how do we lure elite linemen without elite strength and conditioning. You don’t. It’s not just an NIL issue it’s a staff strategy plus NIL
Most people simply cannot think outside the box enough to even consider what you're talking about. It's just a knee-jerk "fire the coach get better players etc etc etc" - very simplistic. But overall player development, whether that's IDing them, strengthening them, or whatever, is absolutely one area where we have to go outside the box. There's a reason the mainstream has never worked for us.

Most strength and conditioning coaches are FOS too. They just do more flashy shlt. And what most don't realize is that when you are training elite athletes most anything LOOKS like it's working because, well, you're training elite athletes. They spend all day with all that speed training shlt and they don't realize that speed can really only be trained at about 20%. Strength, on the other hand, at about 80%. In other words you can develop power by making significant strength gains. In my opinion you can also gain speed by gaining strength.
 

bulldoghair

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Most people simply cannot think outside the box enough to even consider what you're talking about. It's just a knee-jerk "fire the coach get better players etc etc etc" - very simplistic. But overall player development, whether that's IDing them, strengthening them, or whatever, is absolutely one area where we have to go outside the box. There's a reason the mainstream has never worked for us.

Most strength and conditioning coaches are FOS too. They just do more flashy shlt. And what most don't realize is that when you are training elite athletes most anything LOOKS like it's working because, well, you're training elite athletes. They spend all day with all that speed training shlt and they don't realize that speed can really only be trained at about 20%. Strength, on the other hand, at about 80%. In other words you can develop power by making significant strength gains. In my opinion you can also gain speed by gaining strength.
Being the fastest tempo team in the SEC, we are literally asking the offensive linemen to do something that traditional college strength and conditioning programs are not fully built to handle, and the injury numbers prove it.
Back in March, our Oline coach said,

“These kids are running more sprints than any line I’ve coached it’s like turning linemen into hybrid athletes. The fatigue factor in fall camp was eye opening; we had to rewrite some of our conditioning protocols.”

Up tempo offensive schemes do cause and correlate to significantly more injuries to offensive linemen, especially lower body soft tissue injuries and overall wear and tear. The data and medical research are now very clear on this. Example being, last season Lebby’s offense was the fastest tempo in SEC, and our OL missed 28 combined starts, which was worst in conference. This season Lebby’s offense is the fastest charted tempo again, and we already have had 19 missed OL starts through Week 12. You can’t out condition injuries and facts.
 
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kired

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The best strategy (that we’ll never do in college football) would be to build NIL funds for a few years while focusing on building a good base of core players, then go all in and splurge on the key positions we can’t normally afford to compete for.

You’d have to manage it like a professional team but will never be able to do that since we depend on fan donations to pay salaries. But just think - everything we’ve spent these last 3 years has gotten us two wins over Arkansas and one over ASU. What if we’d have saved some of that, we know what areas we need to spend on for next year - splurge and hope for the best. Rather than trying to compete every year on a fraction of the budget the big schools have.
 

bulldoghair

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The best strategy (that we’ll never do in college football) would be to build NIL funds for a few years while focusing on building a good base of core players, then go all in and splurge on the key positions we can’t normally afford to compete for.

You’d have to manage it like a professional team but will never be able to do that since we depend on fan donations to pay salaries. But just think - everything we’ve spent these last 3 years has gotten us two wins over Arkansas and one over ASU. What if we’d have saved some of that, we know what areas we need to spend on for next year - splurge and hope for the best. Rather than trying to compete every year on a fraction of the budget the big schools have.
No offense but this is just hive mentality. Yes of course build and don’t neglect NIL but no matter what we will never have enough compared to most of our conference. So again, let’s talk about the offensive line. How has someone like a Vanderbilt’s offensive line been better than ours the past two seasons? Someone here said it’s because ours are lazy. Ok why? Serious question. If that’s not true, then how how’s their oline been better than ours the past two seasons?
 
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Bulldawg77

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The best strategy would be for most of you all on here to quit your B!tchin and start giving to the SEF.. but but I be damn if if I’m gonna pay a player. Get that broke a$$ po ol attitude out of here. I know some of y’all hate on on Lebby and that’s your right but we need to find a way to get in lock step and show we are capable of winning and supporting this program as a fan base. We need less of 85 and goats types and more of the types that want to be part of the solution instead of spending all their time and energy trying to bring the problem. Stop trying to bring the program down with some BS post of negativity.
 
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OG Goat Holder

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Being the fastest tempo team in the SEC, we are literally asking the offensive linemen to do something that traditional college strength and conditioning programs are not fully built to handle, and the injury numbers prove it.
Back in March, our Oline coach said,

“These kids are running more sprints than any line I’ve coached it’s like turning linemen into hybrid athletes. The fatigue factor in fall camp was eye opening; we had to rewrite some of our conditioning protocols.”

Up tempo offensive schemes do cause and correlate to significantly more injuries to offensive linemen, especially lower body soft tissue injuries and overall wear and tear. The data and medical research are now very clear on this. Example being, last season Lebby’s offense was the fastest tempo in SEC, and our OL missed 28 combined starts, which was worst in conference. This season Lebby’s offense is the fastest charted tempo again, and we already have had 19 missed OL starts through Week 12. You can’t out condition injuries and facts.
That's an interesting observation that I hadn't thought about. Not to mention the idea of turning MSU into a speed school is idiotic to begin with. King Jackie said this clearly back in the 90s.
 
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The best strategy (that we’ll never do in college football) would be to build NIL funds for a few years while focusing on building a good base of core players, then go all in and splurge on the key positions we can’t normally afford to compete for.

You’d have to manage it like a professional team but will never be able to do that since we depend on fan donations to pay salaries. But just think - everything we’ve spent these last 3 years has gotten us two wins over Arkansas and one over ASU. What if we’d have saved some of that, we know what areas we need to spend on for next year - splurge and hope for the best. Rather than trying to compete every year on a fraction of the budget the big schools have.
You in the right neighborhood, just not quite at the right house. This is something we have to consistently do. But we don't want to 'splurge'.....remember Ole Miss did that and it netted them 9-3. And yes, agree, look where we are with all our giving over the past couple years.

We just have to consistently pay our developed guys.....especially on the OL and defensive front.
 

OG Goat Holder

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The best strategy would be for most of you all on here to quit your B!tchin and start giving to the SEF.. but but I be damn if if I’m gonna pay a player.
Yayuh mayun. @kired already poked a hole in that:
But just think - everything we’ve spent these last 3 years has gotten us two wins over Arkansas and one over ASU.

Until we roll out a sustainable plan, any chance of a significant amount of middle class donating to NIL is not gonna happen. But may not need it anyway, rich guys generally bankroll this stuff.
 
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Bulldawg77

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Yayuh mayun. @kired already poked a hole in that:


Until we roll out a sustainable plan, any chance of a significant amount of middle class donating to NIL is not gonna happen. But may not need it anyway, rich guys generally bankroll this stuff.
Loser mentality that you want a spreadsheet or break down of NIL. You just don’t want to give that’s the whole thing. Call Charlie talk to him. But your to lazy to do that
 
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Ranchdawg

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Keep drawing a check from the SEC and help other teams compete for NCs. Wait for the whole system to collapse with the strain of bilking boosters and fans of their money.
 

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Loser mentality that you want a spreadsheet or break down of NIL. You just don’t want to give that’s the whole thing. Call Charlie talk to him. But your to lazy to do that

NIL is Obamacare for Student Athletes. **

Seriously though, I’m impressed that people have that sort of mad money that they feel like they can afford to spend in that direction.

I look at my spreadsheets when it comes to my income & spending, and my priorities are different.

Maintenance costs for my house increased. I’ve got medical expenses coming up next year that means I’ve got to withdraw from the IRA I set up after retiring from the state. Then there are the close elderly family members but I digress…
 

Bulldawg77

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NIL is Obamacare for Student Athletes. **

Seriously though, I’m impressed that people have that sort of mad money that they feel like they can afford to spend in that direction.

I look at my spreadsheets when it comes to my income & spending, and my priorities are different.

Maintenance costs for my house increased. I’ve got medical expenses coming up next year that means I’ve got to withdraw from the IRA I set up after retiring from the state. Then there are the close elderly family members but I digress…
We all have life but throwing a little toward SEF isn’t gonna break anyone. We need the large donations sure but if we had 10K fans giving 25 a month an extra 3MM a year to help NIL.
 
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bulldoghair

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Loser mentality that you want a spreadsheet or break down of NIL. You just don’t want to give that’s the whole thing. Call Charlie talk to him. But your to lazy to do that

We all have life but throwing a little toward SEF isn’t gonna break anyone. We need the large donations sure but if we had 10K fans giving 25 a month an extra 3MM a year to help NIL.
That might just pay the “tempo-tax” for offensive (and defensive) lineman in Lebby’s tempo offense. I just talked about this in my other thread about Offensive linemen and hidden metrics.
And yes you probably need a spread sheet format on NIL especially if we’re going to have to overpay.
 

Bulldawg77

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That might just pay the “tempo-tax” for offensive (and defensive) lineman in Lebby’s tempo offense. I just talked about this in my other thread about Offensive linemen and hidden metrics.
And yes you probably need a spread sheet format on NIL especially if we’re going to have to overpay.
We are going to spend a lot in portal. You’re with us or against us. Either way we are moving forward. We are going show this staff or the next we are invested in football. This aint your gran pappys mithippi Tate. Get on board.
This fan base needs to get in lock step stop trying to tear it down.
 

bulldoghair

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We are going to spend a lot in portal. You’re with us or against us. Either way we are moving forward. We are going show this staff or the next we are invested in football. This aint your gran pappys mithippi Tate. Get on board.
This fan base needs to get in lock step stop trying to tear it down.
Why do you want to pay 25–40% inflation in NIL for linemen because of Lebby’s offense? Better yet why do you want others to pay this tempo-tax? Do you work for the government?
 

Bulldawg77

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Why do you want to pay 25–40% inflation in NIL for linemen because of Lebby’s offense? Better yet why do you want others to pay this tempo-tax? Do you work for the government?
Show me some one who had zero clue abot how a football program is run.