The bottom line on Stansbury to me is this....

[Coach34]

<div>Ask yourself- in a tie game, with 1 minute left- do you have faith in our coach to make the right moves? If you said yes to that question, you are lying to yourself or you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>We can go back and forth all day (and we usually do) about his recruiting, our program's consistency, where we were 30 years ago, NCAA success, how Drew had his team exploit Sidney in the pick-n-roll alot, our failure vs a good zone, and on and on and on.</div><div>
</div><div>A buddy of mine said it best- when playing good teams, the other coach is going to take away what you do best. But a good coach always has a plan B. Last night, when Bost was taken away, we had no plan B. Hell, we werent even smart enough to call our last time-out and draw up another plan A. Nothing about that screams "good coach"- and many of you know that- but wont dare admit it.</div><div>
</div><div>And that is what makes me so angry with Stansbury. And pointing that out doesnt mean I hate him- it's just the damn truth</div><div>
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[Coach34]

<div>Ask yourself- in a tie game, with 1 minute left- do you have faith in our coach to make the right moves? If you said yes to that question, you are lying to yourself or you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>We can go back and forth all day (and we usually do) about his recruiting, our program's consistency, where we were 30 years ago, NCAA success, how Drew had his team exploit Sidney in the pick-n-roll alot, our failure vs a good zone, and on and on and on.</div><div>
</div><div>A buddy of mine said it best- when playing good teams, the other coach is going to take away what you do best. But a good coach always has a plan B. Last night, when Bost was taken away, we had no plan B. Hell, we werent even smart enough to call our last time-out and draw up another plan A. Nothing about that screams "good coach"- and many of you know that- but wont dare admit it.</div><div>
</div><div>And that is what makes me so angry with Stansbury. And pointing that out doesnt mean I hate him- it's just the damn truth</div><div>
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[MedDawg]

Looks like the wonder boys/coaches of SEC basketball haven't built their teams to be able to get to a tie with a minute left against a Top 6 team. <div>
</div><div>After we got blown out by Bama so badly last year, I was finally ready to get rid of Stans, but then we improved some, and have improved a lot this season. Now I want to keep him, or at least give him this WHOLE season before we start thinking of replacing him. </div><div>
</div><div>Who would we get? Much bigger/richer SEC schools have hired coaches from other BCS programs, successful mid-majors, etc. and still haven't been able to do any better than Stansbury. Several of the wonder boy mid major coaches from 2-3 years ago have disappeared back into mediocrity. There are a lot of coaches that have not been able to hang with Baylor until the last minute this season. Until an obvious candidate with sustained success (that we could truly get) comes around, then I'm for keeping Stans. </div>

 

[oem]

<div>Ask yourself- in a tie game, with 1 minute left- do you have faith in our coach to make the right moves? If you said yes to that question, you are lying to yourself or you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>We can go back and forth all day (and we usually do) about his recruiting, our program's consistency, where we were 30 years ago, NCAA success, how Drew had his team exploit Sidney in the pick-n-roll alot, our failure vs a good zone, and on and on and on.</div><div>
</div><div>A buddy of mine said it best- when playing good teams, the other coach is going to take away what you do best. But a good coach always has a plan B. Last night, when Bost was taken away, we had no plan B. Hell, we werent even smart enough to call our last time-out and draw up another plan A. Nothing about that screams "good coach"- and many of you know that- but wont dare admit it.</div><div>
</div><div>And that is what makes me so angry with Stansbury. And pointing that out doesnt mean I hate him- it's just the damn truth</div><div>
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I'm pretty sure you didn't know they were trying to run pick and roll until the announcer pointed it out. Which raises a question. How many points did they get off that pick and roll andhow many fouls did Sidney pick up asthe result?

That'swhat I thought.

And MSU did have a second option on the last play. His name isRodney Hood.He's 6-7 and can takehis guy off the dribble.

You know what, I bet Baylor had a second option too if 55 doesn't take Bost on the crossover. BTW, never saw your answer to the question was it good coaching by Stansbury when Bost picked 55's pocket on the first inbounds play after the Baylor, TO.

Again, that's what I thought.

Basketball isn't rocket science. If I'm picking a coach for a tie game in the last minute, I'm going to pick a guy who can recruit playmakers - plain and simple.

Coach K is the winningest coach in college basketball history. Knight was before that. They both know the game, but they both won a lot of games because they had a lot of good basketball players. You give those guys Auburn talent, and they aren't at the top of the list. Knight proved that at Texas Tech.

This isn't academy basketball with a lot of slow white guys and a few decentplayers. This is big boy basketball that is dominated by playmakers.

 

[Hanmudog]

Look, Stansbury is not and never has been a great X and O coach on offense. However, we generally have a pretty solid defensive team which believe it or not requires coaching too. He gets players to come to Starkville that allow us to even compete with teams like UK and Baylor.

You can ***** until you are blue in the face (and I am sure you will) but currently we are 12-2, ranked, and just played one of the best teams in America to damn near a draw, and barring a complete collapse in SEC play will get a good seed in the tournament. WTF else do you want?

 

[Coach34]

<div>Ask yourself- in a tie game, with 1 minute left- do you have faith in our coach to make the right moves? If you said yes to that question, you are lying to yourself or you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>We can go back and forth all day (and we usually do) about his recruiting, our program's consistency, where we were 30 years ago, NCAA success, how Drew had his team exploit Sidney in the pick-n-roll alot, our failure vs a good zone, and on and on and on.</div><div>
</div><div>A buddy of mine said it best- when playing good teams, the other coach is going to take away what you do best. But a good coach always has a plan B. Last night, when Bost was taken away, we had no plan B. Hell, we werent even smart enough to call our last time-out and draw up another plan A. Nothing about that screams "good coach"- and many of you know that- but wont dare admit it.</div><div>
</div><div>And that is what makes me so angry with Stansbury. And pointing that out doesnt mean I hate him- it's just the damn truth</div><div>
</div><div>
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I'm pretty sure you didn't know they were trying to run pick and roll until the announcer pointed it out. Which raises a question. How many points did they get off that pick and roll andhow many fouls did Sidney pick up asthe result?- I know of one huge one- his last...he didnt foul much on it because he doesnt step out and jump the ball screen- he plays that bullfighter's "ole" D and lets the PG go lay it up. He got the foul from not blocking out.

That'swhat I thought.- you dont really seem to have much of any coherent thoughts.

And MSU did have a second option on the last play. His name isRodney Hood.He's 6-7 and can takehis guy off the dribble. - I missed where he did that last night to end the game

Basketball isn't rocket science. If I'm picking a coach for a tie game in the last minute, I'm going to pick a guy who can recruit playmakers - plain and simple.- what happens when both teams have playmakers, like last night?

Coach K is the winningest coach in college basketball history. Knight was before that. They both know the game, but they both won a lot of games because they had a lot of good basketball players. You give those guys Auburn talent, and they aren't at the top of the list. Knight proved that at Texas Tech.

This isn't academy basketball with a lot of slow white guys and a few decentplayers. This is big boy basketball that is dominated by playmakers.- doesnt mean you dont have to still coach them- thats a copout. Playmakers can be taken out of plays- as I said- there has to be a plan B. We never have a plan B

 

[oem]

I know of one huge one- his last...he didnt foul much on it because he doesnt step out and jump the ball screen- he plays that bullfighter's "ole" D and lets the PG go lay it up. He got the foul from not blocking out.

Which is it dumb ***? Did he get the last foul because he didn't defend the pick and roll or did he get the last foul because he didn'tblock out.

Youwouldn't know a pick and roll if it slapped you in the face.

You are an idiot. I hope you don't have a degree from MSU.

 

[Coach34]

he didnt jump the screen, allowing them to get the shot...and then in his lame *** attempt to rebound the miss, he didnt block out- picking up the foul, and then compounded the problem by throwing a tantrum to the ref- when Sidney was the one who was to blame.<div>
</div><div>As far as a pick-n-roll, any State fan knows what that is- our ENTIRE offense is a ballscreen- it's all we know how to do</div>

 

[tenureplan]

I wouldn't even say we had a "plan A". "give it to Dee and let him create" isn't really a plan. Hood was probably option 2 or 3 in his plan.

What gets me, is that if I were the coach, I would be practicing this scenario daily. And there would be sets that we would run for this specific situation.

Of course 34 takes it to the extreme a bit, because Stans did put away A&M, Zona, and WV late. He is lacking in his end game play calling, but so is our football coach.

 

[rugbdawg]

Wow

 

[KurtRambis4]

your football knowledge is informative, but your basketball knowledge is extremely limited.

 

[Coach34]

compared to this Board- I am Bobby Knight

 

[Hanmudog]

compared to this Board- I am Bobby Knight

Both of you are insufferable ******** that many folks can't stand.

I don't doubt that you know alot about basketball but your personal dislike of Stansbury taints just about everything you post.

 

[KurtRambis4]

that you probably know more than a great deal of clowns on here, but that isn't something to be proud of and it doesn't make you right. To someone that does, your points are laughable.

 

[tenureplan]

In 3 years, we've seen him blow games with questionable end game calls at least 4 times. Yet I never see you hammering him.

Since you are going to ask for it...

LSU 09
Ark 10
AU 11
USCe 11

And for a bonus, he let the Latech game go to overtime in 11.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

Is Hood going 1-on-1 not a plan B?<div>
</div><div>Wasn't the game at Detroit tied with under a minute to go and we isolated Hood 1-on-1 who penetrated and made the game winner?</div><div>
</div><div>You guys that act like every end of game situation with OTHER teams ends in a "play" that uses off the ball screens to result in an open shot are living in a jr high girls academy ball world. 9 out of 10 times the final possession of any game comes down to a guy penetrating 1-on-1 and either shooting or drawing the defense and passing to the open guy.</div><div>
</div><div>Anybody see Dwayne Wade's game winner last night? Man, what a great play that coach drew up, he drove the lane from the exact spot where Hood was</div>

 

[tenureplan]

nm

 

[tenureplan]

1: It's the NBA
2: Bost hadn't been able to create all night
3: Hood's game isn't creating from the point
4: When that is all you do, it gets predictable

Think back over time and think about the games we lost where the "Plan" was to get it to Austin or Roberts and they missed an ugly shot while flopping and begging for the foul. Or when the plan was to give it to Jamont and let him create...did that ever work? It worked with Bowers, but same plan. Rince/repeat. You can run a set play which gives you a better opportunity than just hoping player x beats his man and the help.

 

[oem]

You don't know what you are talking about but you are still talking about it. That's what happens when people get under your skin - like I have on this deal.<div>
</div><div>Like I - and so many others - have said, you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>You prove it here every day.</div><div>
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[DowntownDawg]

...what percentage of the time will our head coach put our team in a position to win in a tie game inside of 1 minute?

 

[oem]

and he's only right about that because he took both sides of the issue:<div>
</div><div>He said Sidney picked up the last foul because he didn't defend the pick and roll and then he said he picked up the last foul because he didn't block out.</div><div>
</div><div>Problem is, this idiot that calls himself a coach didn't even recognize what Baylor was trying to do until the announcer pointed it out. He doesn't know what a pick and roll is.</div><div>
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[Rosebowl.sixpack]

We know he isn't the greatest floor coach. That really isn't an argument. Yes, occasionally he draws up a nice inbounds play, but other than that he is a "try to give it to our best player and let him make a play" kind of guy. Seems like it would have been easy enogh to set a screen for Dee to make sure he got the ball in the first place but that didn't happen.Could have easily called a timeout and got the guys reset when Steele and Hood were out there practicing their chest passes. Those arecoaching mistakes.

At the same time, you do have to think that even if Dee doesn't get the ball that someone else will try and make a play. Unfortunately, the two guys that had that chance were not ready for it and buckled under pressure. It happens.

A lot of being a college basketball coach is being able to recruit and he can do that. He can recruit good players to a school with subpar basketball facilities (i.e. we just got a practice gym), basketball tradition, pretty weak basketball conference with below average fan support. The guy keeps us competitive and gives us a chance to win games every year just based on talent level. I guess we could fire him andgo try to find our Trent Johnson, who apparently can "coach" but isn't a good recruiter. Then maybe we can score a two year stretch of 22-41 (5-27).</p>

 

[jcbully]

Hood didn't want to take that shot. There was no "plan B", hence Hood looking desperately to pass the ball on the left wing. Bost was taken out. He was the only option "drawn up" and they shut it down. Why we didn't call a timeout and regroup is beyond me. Why we didn't run him off of some screens to get him open is also maddening bc it was obvious we wanted to get the ball in his hands and Drew knew that too.

You have to have a plan coming out of the timeout. That plan must have several options if one is taken away. Similar to the Heslip corner 3/Acey lob play. Those were options off of what the defense gave them. We didn't have a second option. That's where the coaching was poor.

I did see DWades game winner. If you read his quotes after the game he said that Spo drew the play up so that if the help comes off the corner from Lebron that Lebron would cut and have a play at the rim or a dump off to Bosh. That's a coach creating options for his players in late game scenarios.

To not even get a shot off at the end of the clock is the exact reason why there is no trust in a Stansbury team in big games. It's a pattern. We NEVER get it done in that situation. I wouldn't have complained at all if we get a decent look and miss it. That happens, but to not even get a reasonable shot is unacceptable.

 

[Coach34]

You don't know what you are talking about but you are still talking about it. That's what happens when people get under your skin - like I have on this deal.<div>
</div><div>Like I - and so many others - have said, you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>You prove it here every day.</div><div>
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"I really have no reply to how you broke it down- I'll just be vague, give no rebuttal, and hope people will think I'm witty"

 

[whatever.sixpack]

1. apples to oranges? The NBA isn't still basketball? Terrible argument<div>
</div><div>3.. Hood can't create? He's the only guy on the floor outside of Bost that can create his own shot, just like he did vs Detroit with under a minute to go when he hit the game winner. (funny how quickly that was forgotten and you guys refuse to acknowledge it... I guess next you'll tell me, WELL THAT WAS DIFFERENT MAN! APPLES TO ORANGES MAN!)</div><div>
</div><div>4. Give ONE example or youtube some end of game "ideal plays" in a half court set that would be suitable to you and I'll give you 10 that went 1-on-1 isolation</div><div>
</div><div>- Jamont creating didn't work? Didn't he hit the game winner vs UK in the SEC tourney?
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[Coach34]

We know he isn't the greatest floor coach. That really isn't an argument. Yes, occasionally he draws up a nice inbounds play, but other than that he is a "try to give it to our best player and let him make a play" kind of guy. Seems like it would have been easy enogh to set a screen for Dee to make sure he got the ball in the first place but that didn't happen.Could have easily called a timeout and got the guys reset when Steele and Hood were out there practicing their chest passes. Those arecoaching mistakes.

At the same time, you do have to think that even if Dee doesn't get the ball that someone else will try and make a play. Unfortunately, the two guys that had that chance were not ready for it and buckled under pressure. It happens.

A lot of being a college basketball coach is being able to recruit and he can do that. He can recruit good players to a school with subpar basketball facilities (i.e. we just got a practice gym), basketball tradition, pretty weak basketball conference with below average fan support. The guy keeps us competitive and gives us a chance to win games every year just based on talent level. I guess we could fire him andgo try to find our Trent Johnson, who apparently can "coach" but isn't a good recruiter. Then maybe we can score a two year stretch of 22-41 (5-27).</p>

get us a Billy Donovan or Tubby Smith

 

[maroonmania]

the theme has ALWAYS been "give it to {insert name here any of Dee, Jamont, TimmyB, DZimmerman, etc. etc. etc.} and let him create" at the end of any close game.

 

[oem]

You don't know what you are talking about but you are still talking about it. That's what happens when people get under your skin - like I have on this deal.<div>
</div><div>Like I - and so many others - have said, you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>You prove it here every day.</div><div>
</div><div>
</div>

"I really have no reply to how you broke it down- I'll just be vague, give no rebuttal, and hope people will think I'm witty"

You are incapable of breaking down a basketball set. You don't understand the game. Everything you THINK you know you heard on ESPN. You think West Virginia's motion offense is "fun to watch". Did you hear someone on TV say that, too, or did you come up with that one on your own?

 

[Rosebowl.sixpack]

get us a Andy Kennedy, John Pelphrey or Darrin Horn. That argument can go either way, but it would seem there are more failures than Billy Donovans.

It is not that I don't understand your argument and I do see some validity in it. Ifsomehow this season goes downhill drastically, then I could start to agree with you because we have as much talent as anyone in the SEC outside of UK. If your coaching is really that bad then it obviously doesn't matter how well you recruit. But based on how this season has gone so far and playing the odds, I take the guy that has won before rather than hoping I find a Billy D or Tubby in a huge pool of candidates that would struggle to haveeven moderatesuccess at State. It is like finding a needle in a haystake.

 

[fishwater99]

Hood didn't want to take that shot. There was no "plan B", hence Hood looking desperately to pass the ball on the left wing. Bost was taken out. He was the only option "drawn up" and they shut it down. Why we didn't call a timeout and regroup is beyond me. Why we didn't run him off of some screens to get him open is also maddening bc it was obvious we wanted to get the ball in his hands and Drew knew that too.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">You have to have a plan coming out of the timeout. That plan must have several options if one is taken away. Similar to the Heslip corner 3/Acey lob play. Those were options off of what the defense gave them. We didn't have a second option. That's where the coaching was poor. </span>

I did see DWades game winner. If you read his quotes after the game he said that Spo drew the play up so that if the help comes off the corner from Lebron that Lebron would cut and have a play at the rim or a dump off to Bosh. That's a coach creating options for his players in late game scenarios.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">To not even get a shot off at the end of the clock is the exact reason why there is no trust in a Stansbury team in big games. It's a pattern. We NEVER get it done in that situation. I wouldn't have complained at all if we get a decent look and miss it. That happens, but to not even get a reasonable shot is unacceptable.</span>

 

[MeridianDog]

The bottom line on Stansbury is this....

Coach34 wrote:
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<div>Ask yourself- in a tie game, with 1 minute left- do you have faith in our coach to make the right moves? If you said yes to that question, you are lying to yourself or you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>We can go back and forth all day (and we usually do) about his recruiting, our program's consistency, where we were 30 years ago, NCAA success, how Drew had his team exploit Sidney in the pick-n-roll alot, our failure vs a good zone, and on and on and on.</div><div>
</div><div>A buddy of mine said it best- when playing good teams, the other coach is going to take away what you do best. But a good coach always has a plan B. Last night, when Bost was taken away, we had no plan B. Hell, we werent even smart enough to call our last time-out and draw up another plan A. Nothing about that screams "good coach"- and many of you know that- but wont dare admit it.</div><div>
</div><div>And that is what makes me so angry with Stansbury. And pointing that out doesnt mean I hate him- it's just the damn truth</div><div>
</div><div>
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[markymark.sixpack]

With one opinion. Like the rest of us, you don't matter one iota. You don't have any say in who is or isn't our coach. Your opinion is useless and meaningless. You are insignificant. Your coaching "career" trajectory matches that of an anvil dropped from the empire state building. In other words, get over yourself. Like my coach used to say, "opinions are like ********; everybody has one and they all stink".

Now, carry on believing you are some message board god.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

compared to this Board- I am Bobby Knight

Yep, you are the only one on this board who even approaches his level of ego and bloated self-importance.

 

[oem]

The bottom line on Stansbury is this....

Coach34 wrote:
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<div>Ask yourself- in a tie game, with 1 minute left- do you have faith in our coach to make the right moves? If you said yes to that question, you are lying to yourself or you are an idiot.</div><div>
</div><div>We can go back and forth all day (and we usually do) about his recruiting, our program's consistency, where we were 30 years ago, NCAA success, how Drew had his team exploit Sidney in the pick-n-roll alot, our failure vs a good zone, and on and on and on.</div><div>
</div><div>A buddy of mine said it best- when playing good teams, the other coach is going to take away what you do best. But a good coach always has a plan B. Last night, when Bost was taken away, we had no plan B. Hell, we werent even smart enough to call our last time-out and draw up another plan A. Nothing about that screams "good coach"- and many of you know that- but wont dare admit it.</div><div>
</div><div>And that is what makes me so angry with Stansbury. And pointing that out doesnt mean I hate him- it's just the damn truth</div><div>
</div><div>
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That's priceless. This poor sap either isn't smart enough to know that people *@!# with him constantly or he enjoys it.

Either way he is a certifiable idiot.

 

[lawdawg02]

Where he clobbered the little guy.

 

[oem]

he didnt jump the screen, allowing them to get the shot

So Drew's brilliance resultedin Baylor gettinga shot off - one that they didn't make.

Hell as little as you know about basketball, I bet you could draw one up where they could get a shot off.

You have gone from bad to worse in this thread. Do yourself a favor, grow up andgive up.

 

[oem]

<div>You guys that act like every end of game situation with OTHER teams ends in a "play" that uses off the ball screens to result in an open shot are living in a jr high girls academy ball world. </div>

You hit the nail on the proverbial head. Everythingmost of these clownsknow about basketball, they learned at a summer camp at private school in Mississippi. Or they heard some talking head on ESPN say it and they repeat it (whether they understand it or not).

Hood can take his man off the dribble. He didn't make the play at the end of the game last night, but he has a few game winners in his future.

 

[oem]

1. apples to oranges? The NBA isn't still basketball? Terrible argument
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</div><div>3.. Hood can't create? He's the only guy on the floor outside of Bost that can create his own shot, just like he did vs Detroit with under a minute to go when he hit the game winner. (funny how quickly that was forgotten and you guys refuse to acknowledge it... I guess next you'll tell me, WELL THAT WAS DIFFERENT MAN! APPLES TO ORANGES MAN!)</div><div>
</div><div>4. Give ONE example or youtube some end of game "ideal plays" in a half court set that would be suitable to you and I'll give you 10 that went 1-on-1 isolation</div><div>
</div><div>- Jamont creating didn't work? Didn't he hit the game winner vs UK in the SEC tourney?
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Give up, whatever. These clowns think that just because you draw something up, that it automatically results in a bucket. Drew should copy and frame the crossover ankle breaker he drew up during his TO. I would like to see what that looks like on paper.

 

[KurtRambis4]

much just summed up every posts of yours ever in that statement.

 

[Coach34]

as far as that jibber jabber you just posted, everybody knows its the coach's job to get players in position to make plays- it's the player's job to complete the play.<div>
</div><div>Drew put his players in position to win- ours didnt</div>