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Doppler Effect

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Tell The president that, the entire MAGA party that, and the post I quoted, who was "insulting" liberals. He said he laughed at the 80 year old woman.

Liberals didn't start the name calling and insults of the MAGA party, but we certainly aren't going to roll over and be insulted by idiots either. So we'll fight back.

Sorry it hurt your feelings though, doppler effect.
I bet my wife that your reply would be, "well they did it first".
She said, "just like our teenagers? No, surely he is more mature than that"
 
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RichOne420

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Cool sheepish finger pointing by a low IQ simp. Believe it or not, there are a lot of Americans that do not support the left or the right. Using such weak deflections against us only exposes your utter level of stupidity and brainwashed mentality.

On a side note, I'm sure your username checks out.
 

RichOne420

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Biden purposely allowed our country to be invaded by third world immigrants. He allowed millions to be put in welfare. They’re voting. That imo overshadows everything he did. Everything. And now we know why.
Illegals do not get financial support from our government. It cracks me up when people assume they do. They are also NOT allowed to vote. Stop letting MSM poison your mind through their fear campaigns.
 
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fatpiggy

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Illegals do not get financial support from our government. It cracks me up when people assume they do. They are also NOT allowed to vote. Stop letting MSM poison your mind through their fear campaigns.
You have your head in the sand if you think illegals don't get support from our government. Additionally, they come here and undercut the price of our labor and drive up housing costs for our citizens. You can say you don't care about those things and that is fine, but saying they don't get support from our government is a technicality at very best.






Undocumented immigrants (often referred to as "illegal aliens") in the United States are generally ineligible for most federal public benefits under laws like the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. This includes programs such as non-emergency Medicaid, SNAP (food stamps), TANF (cash welfare), and SSI (disability income). However, there are notable exceptions for emergencies, public health, and education, as well as indirect access through U.S.-citizen children in mixed-status households. Some states and localities also provide additional support using non-federal funds. Below are key ways government support reaches this population, based on federal rules and court precedents.1. Emergency Medical and Protective Services Undocumented immigrants can access federal funding for urgent, life-saving care without immigration status checks. This includes:
  • Emergency Medicaid for treatments like labor/delivery, severe injuries, or acute conditions (e.g., costing billions annually in some estimates).
  • Short-term disaster relief, such as FEMA aid after hurricanes or floods.
  • Protective services like child welfare interventions, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, and crisis counseling for mental health or substance abuse threats. These are available nationwide and do not count toward "public charge" determinations for future immigration applications.
2. Public Education for Children The Supreme Court's 1982 ruling in Plyler v. Doe guarantees free public K-12 education to all children in the U.S., regardless of immigration status, under the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. This applies to about 5 million undocumented or temporarily present children, costing states and the federal government (via funding formulas) an estimated $13-18 billion yearly in education expenses. It extends to preschool programs in some districts and includes English-language learner services. Undocumented parents cannot be denied enrollment based on their status or inability to provide proof of residency.3. Nutrition Assistance for Children and Pregnant Individuals Certain federally funded programs are open to undocumented participants, especially for minors:
  • WIC (Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children) provides food vouchers, nutrition education, and health screenings to low-income pregnant women and young children; all states allow undocumented access.
  • National School Lunch and Breakfast Programs offer free or reduced-price meals to eligible schoolchildren, irrespective of family status—covering millions in mixed-status households. These do not require immigration verification and are administered through public schools or health departments.
4. Health Coverage for U.S.-Citizen Children In mixed-status families (where at least one child is a U.S. citizen), parents can apply for federal benefits solely for the child, without disclosing their own status. This includes:
  • Medicaid and CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program) for citizen children's routine care, immunizations, and checkups—covering over 4 million such kids.
  • Prenatal care in 22 states via CHIP, treating the fetus as the beneficiary. Applications focus only on the child's eligibility, and data isn't shared with immigration enforcement. States like California and New York use their own funds to extend similar coverage to undocumented children.
5. State and Local Programs Funded by Non-Federal Dollars While federal rules restrict access, about a dozen states (e.g., California, Illinois, New York) offer expanded benefits using state taxes, including:
  • State-funded Medicaid-like coverage for low-income undocumented adults and children.
  • Cash assistance or food aid analogs to TANF and SNAP.
  • Driver's licenses, in-state tuition for higher education, and workforce training in states like Washington and Oregon. These vary widely; for example, five states plus D.C. subsidize health insurance marketplaces for all eligible immigrants.
6. Tax Credits and Refunds Undocumented immigrants who work (often using fake SSNs or ITINs) pay billions in federal, state, and local taxes annually—$96.7 billion in 2022 alone, including payroll taxes that fund Social Security (which they can't claim). In return, they can access limited refunds:
  • Child Tax Credit (CTC) for U.S.-citizen children, potentially worth up to $2,000 per child if the parent files with an ITIN.
  • They are ineligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) without a valid SSN, but this still represents indirect support via family tax relief. Overall, they receive far less in benefits than they contribute.
Critics argue these supports create a net fiscal burden (e.g., $150+ billion yearly when including education and emergencies), while advocates emphasize humanitarian needs and economic contributions. Eligibility can change with policy shifts, so checking state-specific resources is advisable.
 

dpic73

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I don't think 9% was standard but I think the Biden admin was tone deaf in it's response and exaggerated the problem. This is evidenced by dems trying to pass BBB while inflation was near it's peak. They were only thwarted by one vote in Joe Manchin. Personally i think their response to inflation was the deciding factor in the election because it's my opinion the economy and inflation were the biggest issues that voters based their votes on.

Republicans are running the same risks now. While inflation has been reduced it is still too high. Looking at the numbers i feel like housing inflation is the largest factor. Energy inflation has been crushed. Grocery inflation has been reduced to normal levels. But housing is where people are disenfranchised. I think its part of the reason why young people are turning to socialism. They feel the capitalist system is leaving them behind. They can't afford a place to live why should they support that system? They don't feel like they can ever catch up.

I would like to see republicans make an effort to increase housing supply, bring prices down, and make housing more affordable especially for young people.

Mamdami won on making things more affordable. I just don't agree that freezing rents or offering free housing will be the solution. But voters wanted to try that way and so that is the way it will be. I have serious doubts but if it works more power to them.
I don't think 9% was standard but I think the Biden admin was tone deaf in it's response and exaggerated the problem. This is evidenced by dems trying to pass BBB while inflation was near it's peak.
Pubs are so comfortable repeating this lie.

The BBB was voted on in November 2021
Inflation was at it's peak in June 2022
 

UrHuckleberry

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I do question why, if illegals dont vote, do democrats push back so hard about voter ID?
Have you ever attempted to find out? Perhaps there are studies that have been done, etc. You will likely still disagree, which is your right, but the information is out there.
 

RichOne420

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You have your head in the sand if you think illegals don't get support from our government. Additionally, they come here and undercut the price of our labor and drive up housing costs for our citizens. You can say you don't care about those things and that is fine, but saying they don't get support from our government is a technicality at very best.






Undocumented immigrants (often referred to as "illegal aliens") in the United States are generally ineligible for most federal public benefits under laws like the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. This includes programs such as non-emergency Medicaid, SNAP (food stamps), TANF (cash welfare), and SSI (disability income). However, there are notable exceptions for emergencies, public health, and education, as well as indirect access through U.S.-citizen children in mixed-status households. Some states and localities also provide additional support using non-federal funds. Below are key ways government support reaches this population, based on federal rules and court precedents.1. Emergency Medical and Protective Services Undocumented immigrants can access federal funding for urgent, life-saving care without immigration status checks. This includes:
  • Emergency Medicaid for treatments like labor/delivery, severe injuries, or acute conditions (e.g., costing billions annually in some estimates).
  • Short-term disaster relief, such as FEMA aid after hurricanes or floods.
  • Protective services like child welfare interventions, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, and crisis counseling for mental health or substance abuse threats. These are available nationwide and do not count toward "public charge" determinations for future immigration applications.
2. Public Education for Children The Supreme Court's 1982 ruling in Plyler v. Doe guarantees free public K-12 education to all children in the U.S., regardless of immigration status, under the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. This applies to about 5 million undocumented or temporarily present children, costing states and the federal government (via funding formulas) an estimated $13-18 billion yearly in education expenses. It extends to preschool programs in some districts and includes English-language learner services. Undocumented parents cannot be denied enrollment based on their status or inability to provide proof of residency.3. Nutrition Assistance for Children and Pregnant Individuals Certain federally funded programs are open to undocumented participants, especially for minors:
  • WIC (Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children) provides food vouchers, nutrition education, and health screenings to low-income pregnant women and young children; all states allow undocumented access.
  • National School Lunch and Breakfast Programs offer free or reduced-price meals to eligible schoolchildren, irrespective of family status—covering millions in mixed-status households. These do not require immigration verification and are administered through public schools or health departments.
4. Health Coverage for U.S.-Citizen Children In mixed-status families (where at least one child is a U.S. citizen), parents can apply for federal benefits solely for the child, without disclosing their own status. This includes:
  • Medicaid and CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program) for citizen children's routine care, immunizations, and checkups—covering over 4 million such kids.
  • Prenatal care in 22 states via CHIP, treating the fetus as the beneficiary. Applications focus only on the child's eligibility, and data isn't shared with immigration enforcement. States like California and New York use their own funds to extend similar coverage to undocumented children.
5. State and Local Programs Funded by Non-Federal Dollars While federal rules restrict access, about a dozen states (e.g., California, Illinois, New York) offer expanded benefits using state taxes, including:
  • State-funded Medicaid-like coverage for low-income undocumented adults and children.
  • Cash assistance or food aid analogs to TANF and SNAP.
  • Driver's licenses, in-state tuition for higher education, and workforce training in states like Washington and Oregon. These vary widely; for example, five states plus D.C. subsidize health insurance marketplaces for all eligible immigrants.
6. Tax Credits and Refunds Undocumented immigrants who work (often using fake SSNs or ITINs) pay billions in federal, state, and local taxes annually—$96.7 billion in 2022 alone, including payroll taxes that fund Social Security (which they can't claim). In return, they can access limited refunds:
  • Child Tax Credit (CTC) for U.S.-citizen children, potentially worth up to $2,000 per child if the parent files with an ITIN.
  • They are ineligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) without a valid SSN, but this still represents indirect support via family tax relief. Overall, they receive far less in benefits than they contribute.
Critics argue these supports create a net fiscal burden (e.g., $150+ billion yearly when including education and emergencies), while advocates emphasize humanitarian needs and economic contributions. Eligibility can change with policy shifts, so checking state-specific resources is advisable.
You are focused on the wrong 1%. It is obvious you're not going to be persuaded with facts that destroy your sheepish mentality so I will gladly let you drown in your own dumb.
 

dpic73

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I do question why, if illegals dont vote, do democrats push back so hard about voter ID?
I don't have a problem with requiring ID but the states that pushed back didn't do it so illegals could vote(they can't). They did it with poor, mostly rural voters in mind who might not have transportation or the money to get one. An elderly lady on a fixed income out in the country, for example.
 

bdgan

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Illegals do not get financial support from our government. It cracks me up when people assume they do. They are also NOT allowed to vote. Stop letting MSM poison your mind through their fear campaigns.
You're wrong.
  • Of households headed by illegal immigrants, CIS estimated that 59 percent use one or more welfare programs — cash, food assistance, Medicaid, or housing.
  • Illegal immigrant households have especially high use of food programs, with 48 percent enrolled in one or more of these programs — SNAP, WIC, or school lunch/breakfast.
  • In particular, our analysis found that 17 percent of illegal immigrant households used SNAP.
  • In addition to food programs, 18 percent of illegal immigrant households were enrolled in one of the cash programs; 4 percent were using a housing program; and 39 percent used Medicaid.
  • Illegal immigrants often receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children, and illegal immigrant children can receive school lunch/breakfast and WIC directly. Some states provide Medicaid to illegal immigrants, and a few offer SNAP. Several million illegal immigrants also have been issued Social Security numbers allowing them to receive cash payments from the earned income tax credit if they work.

Illegal Immigrants To Be Hit Hard As SNAP and WIC Benefits Expire

Fact Check: Yes, Non-Citizens Are Getting Food Stamps, and a New Rule Will Cut Thousands Off - Election Central
 

RichOne420

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I do question why, if illegals dont vote, do democrats push back so hard about voter ID?
Maybe because it is unconstitutional. The owners want it so they can track and easily target their sheep. What the people should be pushing for is transparency from politicians on who funds every penny they recieve. Once that happens a lot of this childish blame game from the sheep will perish. It will be tough for y'all to play that game once it is made public that both sides are funded by the same corporate interests.
 

DCandtheUTBand

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Or, you could be a human being and hold empathy and logic in both hands.
Charity begins at home. You do not know me. My college roommate nicknamed me "friend man" and he said if I did not like you then something was seriously wrong with you. I have plenty of empathy but I rarely let it overrule logic.

Conservatives are binary thinkers, with no nuance. Their brains aren't developed enough to think outside themselves.
Libs just aren't thinkers at all. They are rote learners regurgitating their left leaning talking points. My IQ is in the 140s. 5th highest in class of 320. Graduated HS with honors. Have a degree in CS with minor in Electrical Engineering.
This is a sign of little emotional intelligence, but also little logical intelligence. Thinking is hard. Nuance is hard. Empathy is hard.
Logic is the foundation of engineering and comp sci. Most logic is binary by the way LOL. Empathy is not hard at all. In fact it is harder to take the logical approach when you see suffering. But you know what is difficult? Reaching into your own resources to effect the change you desire. Its much easier to say gubmint should do X for Y and tax the rich to pay for it.

That violates at least 2 of the 10 commandments.

This Eagle Scout is still involved in scouting and has participated in many service projects over the years, When was the last time you gave a food basket to a homeless man on an off ramp on the interstate? I am sure you are charitable so no need to answer. Point is you do not know me. I am for the individual having the max amount of liberty without being licentious.

But you take the easy way out, and anything that threatens that little box you're in makes you get a wittle bit scared. That's ok, but it's certainly not a sign of health, intelligence, or maturity.
I'm scared for my kids and the serfdom we find ourselves in and the coming surveillance state that will be used to make them wage slaves to the government and compliant with the perversity of wokeness. I have escape plans for me and my wife in retirement. My kids are just starting out. And to be honest and less than empathetic, I hope that the half of you that vote for this modern day serfdom live to regret it and suffer under the weight of it. I choose freedom/liberty not licentiousness. You can not have liberty without private property, free speech or freedom of conscience.

You do you and carry on.
 
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Libs just aren't thinkers at all. They are rote learners regurgitating their left leaning talking points. My IQ is in the 140s. 5th highest in class of 320. Graduated HS with honors. Have a degree in CS with minor in Electrical Engineering.

This is honestly hilarious, and I hope it made you feel better.

Empathy is not hard at all. In fact it is harder to take the logical approach when you see suffering.

This says all I needed to know about you, "friend man."

Have a good week, and don't forget to tell more people about your "IQ" score you got on from an online test. People will really believe you!
 

fatpiggy

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You are focused on the wrong 1%. It is obvious you're not going to be persuaded with facts that destroy your sheepish mentality so I will gladly let you drown in your own dumb.
What other 1% should i be focused on?

You are good at name calling. We will add you to the "intellectually superior" posters that voted for, errr supported, the dumbest and worst candidate in US political history.
 

fatpiggy

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Maybe because it is unconstitutional. The owners want it so they can track and easily target their sheep. What the people should be pushing for is transparency from politicians on who funds every penny they recieve. Once that happens a lot of this childish blame game from the sheep will perish. It will be tough for y'all to play that game once it is made public that both sides are funded by the same corporate interests.

Wait, they already have a list so they can track you if they want. How does showing an ID help in any way other than to verify they are who they say they are?
 

DCandtheUTBand

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@tigres88

IQ test was in HS and taken on paper.

The only reason I know my ranking is my mom worked in the school system, had access to the records and a reason to be looking at them that was related to her job. Otherwise that info is privileged. My score was released to me and she told me my ranking without divulging anyone else's scores.

I graduated in the 80s from a HS in SC.

You continue on being your condescending self.
 

MTTiger19

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Illegals do not get financial support from our government. It cracks me up when people assume they do. They are also NOT allowed to vote. Stop letting MSM poison your mind through their fear campaigns.
You are full of ****. If you believe that you’re not listening.

The leftists claim that illegals can’t work, can’t vote, can’t even get welfare. Then why the hell are they ready to fight to the death to not be deported. Make it make sense.
 
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MTTiger19

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@tigres88

IQ test was in HS and taken on paper.

The only reason I know my ranking is my mom worked in the school system, had access to the records and a reason to be looking at them that was related to her job. Otherwise that info is privileged. My score was released to me and she told me my ranking without divulging anyone else's scores.

I graduated in the 80s from a HS in SC.

You continue on being your condescending self.
Dudes a flaming racist. Don’t waste your time.
 
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RichOne420

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You're wrong.
  • Of households headed by illegal immigrants, CIS estimated that 59 percent use one or more welfare programs — cash, food assistance, Medicaid, or housing.
  • Illegal immigrant households have especially high use of food programs, with 48 percent enrolled in one or more of these programs — SNAP, WIC, or school lunch/breakfast.
  • In particular, our analysis found that 17 percent of illegal immigrant households used SNAP.
  • In addition to food programs, 18 percent of illegal immigrant households were enrolled in one of the cash programs; 4 percent were using a housing program; and 39 percent used Medicaid.
  • Illegal immigrants often receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children, and illegal immigrant children can receive school lunch/breakfast and WIC directly. Some states provide Medicaid to illegal immigrants, and a few offer SNAP. Several million illegal immigrants also have been issued Social Security numbers allowing them to receive cash payments from the earned income tax credit if they work.

Illegal Immigrants To Be Hit Hard As SNAP and WIC Benefits Expire

Fact Check: Yes, Non-Citizens Are Getting Food Stamps, and a New Rule Will Cut Thousands Off - Election Central
Look, stupid, illegals do not qualify for snap benefits, unemployment, ect. The only thing they get is emergency Healthcare which is something all poor Americans get. Their US born children are the only ones that qualify for SNAP and other things that all kids born in the US have access to. Stop letting MSM tell you what to fear. Start focusing on the billionaires that actually affect your life negatively.
 

RichOne420

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You are full of ****. If you believe that you’re not listening.

The leftists claim that illegals can’t work, can’t vote, can’t even get welfare. Then why the hell are they ready to fight to the death to not be deported. Make it make sense.
Go touch grass in their country and you may see why they chose to risk it all to come here. Something else you need to accept is that these illegals aren't employed by leftist. They work for right leaning business owners and farmers for pennies on the dollar. You need to stop listening and start talking to those you've been told to fear.
 

MTTiger19

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Go touch grass in their country and you may see why they chose to risk it all to come here. Something else you need to accept is that these illegals aren't employed by leftist. They work for right leaning business owners and farmers for pennies on the dollar. You need to stop listening and start talking to those you've been told to fear.
Whaaaa. They work???? I didn’t think they could work. Hold on a sec. So they are working but somehow they’re not getting welfare or voting in places that don’t require ID. It must be difficult to go through life being that gullible.
 
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DCandtheUTBand

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Dudes a flaming racist. Don’t waste your time.
So you are saying I should put him on ignore like dpic73?

I usually wait until the obtuseness or mendacity reaches a certain level. Or the poster posts so often that they suck the oxygen out of the room and ignore is the only way to find other peoples posts without going to page 3.

Poor old dpic lasted less than a week.

Ad Hominem and general jack@ssery are not reasons for me to ignore.

My defenses are not really meant for his consumption but for the board at large. I will not let ad hominem go unchallenged.

Anti-Semitism is a quick path to ignore.
 
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dpic73

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So you are saying I should put him on ignore like dpic73?

I usually wait until the obtuseness or mendacity reaches a certain level. Or the poster posts so often that they suck the oxygen out of the room and ignore is the only way to find other peoples posts without going to page 3.

Poor old dpic lasted less than a week.

Ad Hominem and general jack@ssery are not reasons for me to ignore.

My defenses are not really meant for his consumption but for the board at large. I will not let ad hominem go unchallenged.

Anti-Semitism is a quick path to ignore.
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fatpiggy

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Whaaaa. They work???? I didn’t think they could work. Hold on a sec. So they are working but somehow they’re not getting welfare or voting in places that don’t require ID. It must be difficult to go through life being that gullible.
Dude is coming in hot but has to retract every claim he makes when it's pointed out he is wrong.
 
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bdgan

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Look, stupid, illegals do not qualify for snap benefits, unemployment, ect. The only thing they get is emergency Healthcare which is something all poor Americans get. Their US born children are the only ones that qualify for SNAP and other things that all kids born in the US have access to. Stop letting MSM tell you what to fear. Start focusing on the billionaires that actually affect your life negatively.
I gave you factual examples of how they can collect benefits (marry an American citizen, have a child in this country, obtain certain status, etc. You refuse to educate yourself and insist on believing what you want.
 
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bdgan

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Go touch grass in their country and you may see why they chose to risk it all to come here. Something else you need to accept is that these illegals aren't employed by leftist. They work for right leaning business owners and farmers for pennies on the dollar. You need to stop listening and start talking to those you've been told to fear.
What's your point? Trump talks about criminals and drug dealers but almost everybody understands that a lot of immigrants come for a better life. Most also understand that many are employed illegally but your argument that only republicans employ them is nonsense.

The debate is how many do we accept and at what expense? Do you prefer illegal immigration over legal immigration? Do you prefer that we accept people based on their economic status instead of those who have the wherewithal to have a positive economic impact on our economy? Do you understand that economic hardship is not a valid reason to request amnesty?
 

dpic73

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So you are saying I should put him on ignore like dpic73?

I usually wait until the obtuseness or mendacity reaches a certain level. Or the poster posts so often that they suck the oxygen out of the room and ignore is the only way to find other peoples posts without going to page 3.

Poor old dpic lasted less than a week.

Ad Hominem and general jack@ssery are not reasons for me to ignore.

My defenses are not really meant for his consumption but for the board at large. I will not let ad hominem go unchallenged.

Anti-Semitism is a quick path to ignore.
Speaking of being obtuse and mendacious - I stopped taking you seriously as soon as you posted this so I'm honored to be blocked by your type. The type that believes they're the good people though they worship the literal devil.
A few reasons I oppose illegals. 1.) its illegal 2.) Hispanics vote majority democrat so its future votes for the evil party. 3.) not enough assimilation, there are people here for decades that speak less English than I do Spanish. 4.) they are a drain on social services, education and healthcare. 5.) In general, not in all cases of course, their culture is more permissive with men "dating" teenage girls and they have a big problem with drunk driving.
 

RichOne420

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What's your point? Trump talks about criminals and drug dealers but almost everybody understands that a lot of immigrants come for a better life. Most also understand that many are employed illegally but your argument that only republicans employ them is nonsense.

The debate is how many do we accept and at what expense? Do you prefer illegal immigration over legal immigration? Do you prefer that we accept people based on their economic status instead of those who have the wherewithal to have a positive economic impact on our economy? Do you understand that economic hardship is not a valid reason to request amnesty?
It isn't a debate when you are applauding a billionaire rapist as he forcibly removes brown immigrants while simultaneously letting white South Africans in freely. This is a country built by immigrants. A country that was designed to be free for all humans regardless of religious beliefs. Now we have a bunch of ignorant people assuming we need to be a country of white Christians that completely ignore the needs and welfare of those that do not look like them. Again, people such as yourself allow MSM to pollute your mind and you do absolutely nothing to go outside and verify the truth. You surround yourself with other stupid people that share the same views causing you to be sucked into a vacuum of ignorance. At the end of the day all Americans want lower to no taxes. Affordable or free healthcare. Healthcare that actually heals the sick instead of making them dependent of poisonous pharmaceuticals. We want less goverment and goverment control. And most importantly we want the decision power put back in the people's hands. For 100+ years the elected officials have been sacrificing our rights and freedoms for corporate gain. If those in Congress get lifetime free healthcare the people they represent deserve the same. If they get a never ending paycheck the people deserve the same. Our tax dollars should always go to the people before a penny goes to a foreign country, corporate bailout, lobbyists, the militarization of police forces, ect. We shouldn't have to pay taxes on land we own. Homes we own. Modes of transportation we own. We the people are being ****** while stupid people keep blindly supporting a corrupt political system.
 

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I gave you factual examples of how they can collect benefits (marry an American citizen, have a child in this country, obtain certain status, etc. You refuse to educate yourself and insist on believing what you want.
You give examples with zero clarity. What percentage of immigrants recieve it? What percentage of the illegals are from each country? You're attempting to paint a broad stroke without any paint. Much like MSM intended. You just hear things that align with the disinformation you've already swallowed and run with it. Learn to do actual homework instead of using weak AI generated Google responses. Learn to do better or stfu.
 

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You want to say inflation was and is an issue, no arguments, want to say you feel Biden’s policies were inflationary, again no issues with the opinion at all. But want to act like 9% was in a standard, no other reason vacuum, I’m always going to point out Trump’s unemployment number that also wasn’t in a vacuum.
from an economic perspective, wasn't Trump's unemployment caused by COVID, whereas Biden's inflation was caused, at least in part, by adding too much money into the economy via the Inflation reduction act
YES. Literally my point. I wouldn't use that unemployment number and act like covid didn't exist. But using the 9% inflation number and acting like covid (and the huge aid packages passed under Trump as well) and the post-covid recovery WORLDWIDE didn't exist is equally as disingenuous.
that's a fair analysis
 
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baltimorened

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Look, stupid, illegals do not qualify for snap benefits, unemployment, ect. The only thing they get is emergency Healthcare which is something all poor Americans get. Their US born children are the only ones that qualify for SNAP and other things that all kids born in the US have access to. Stop letting MSM tell you what to fear. Start focusing on the billionaires that actually affect your life negatively.
so if they can't work, don't get benefits or whatever you want to call it from the government, how do they support themselves? rent food, medical care, schooling?
 

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It isn't a debate when you are applauding a billionaire rapist as he forcibly removes brown immigrants while simultaneously letting white South Africans in freely. This is a country built by immigrants. A country that was designed to be free for all humans regardless of religious beliefs. Now we have a bunch of ignorant people assuming we need to be a country of white Christians that completely ignore the needs and welfare of those that do not look like them. Again, people such as yourself allow MSM to pollute your mind and you do absolutely nothing to go outside and verify the truth. You surround yourself with other stupid people that share the same views causing you to be sucked into a vacuum of ignorance. At the end of the day all Americans want lower to no taxes. Affordable or free healthcare. Healthcare that actually heals the sick instead of making them dependent of poisonous pharmaceuticals. We want less goverment and goverment control. And most importantly we want the decision power put back in the people's hands. For 100+ years the elected officials have been sacrificing our rights and freedoms for corporate gain. If those in Congress get lifetime free healthcare the people they represent deserve the same. If they get a never ending paycheck the people deserve the same. Our tax dollars should always go to the people before a penny goes to a foreign country, corporate bailout, lobbyists, the militarization of police forces, ect. We shouldn't have to pay taxes on land we own. Homes we own. Modes of transportation we own. We the people are being ****** while stupid people keep blindly supporting a corrupt political system.
you almost sound like MAGA
 

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YES. Literally my point. I wouldn't use that unemployment number and act like covid didn't exist. But using the 9% inflation number and acting like covid (and the huge aid packages passed under Trump as well) and the post-covid recovery WORLDWIDE didn't exist is equally as disingenuous.
I see that excuse. Things were world wide because covid was world wide. BUT the dollar is the reserve currency and a big part of worldwide inflation was due to OUR economic policies. Imagine how much worse inflation would have been here if it had not been spread out over the world via our reserve status. Greece thought they were America until the bill came due and they realized they did not have our reserve currency. If we lose that we will collapse and do so quickly.
 

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It isn't a debate when you are applauding a billionaire rapist as he forcibly removes brown immigrants while simultaneously letting white South Africans in freely. This is a country built by immigrants. A country that was designed to be free for all humans regardless of religious beliefs. Now we have a bunch of ignorant people assuming we need to be a country of white Christians that completely ignore the needs and welfare of those that do not look like them. Again, people such as yourself allow MSM to pollute your mind and you do absolutely nothing to go outside and verify the truth. You surround yourself with other stupid people that share the same views causing you to be sucked into a vacuum of ignorance. At the end of the day all Americans want lower to no taxes. Affordable or free healthcare. Healthcare that actually heals the sick instead of making them dependent of poisonous pharmaceuticals. We want less goverment and goverment control. And most importantly we want the decision power put back in the people's hands. For 100+ years the elected officials have been sacrificing our rights and freedoms for corporate gain. If those in Congress get lifetime free healthcare the people they represent deserve the same. If they get a never ending paycheck the people deserve the same. Our tax dollars should always go to the people before a penny goes to a foreign country, corporate bailout, lobbyists, the militarization of police forces, ect. We shouldn't have to pay taxes on land we own. Homes we own. Modes of transportation we own. We the people are being ****** while stupid people keep blindly supporting a corrupt political system.
Country was built on legal immigration. If you showed up at Ellis Island without proper papers then you were sent home.