The fallout in Lake Zurich begins.................
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How could you possibly know whether any apology is sincere or not? You have no idea what an apology is. It's not in your vocabulary and it definitely isn't something you would think of putting into practice.
Do yourself a favor and don't comment on that which you know nothing about.
And that last line explains you better than any line out there.
And the fact is, you got your *** whipped in that argument, and if we were still arguing that point you'd still be getting your *** whipped. No "claims made" assertion. Fact! Deal with it.
You are like the kid on the playground who gets his *** kicked by everyone but still keeps coming back for more. You are a true glutton for punishment.
I thought the same, some big differences. However when the crime is child rape, do you need to look that far for enough disgusting similarities?
Anyhoo, I am going to bite my tongue...
You really shouldn't. The more people who excuse this, the more they should be shamed.
Sorry, but the character of your school has a stench that will not wash away so easily.
Again, the great LZ Blue wall continues. Let's just sweep it under the rug that there are sexual predators at Lake Zurich. Their punishment is that they have to take an online test on hazing and do some community service. And their reward for being such fine upstanding citizens is that they get to play football next year.
Sir, you have a problem in your community. And the first step to solving a problem is to admit you have one.
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Not only do you claim I've lost something something, but, twice, you said I've had my *** whipped. Just because you said so? You're quick to claim asswhipping victories, but your posts are mundane, immature and verbose. Not today, little mister.
I don't think you've ever won anything on this board.
Why?
Because you continually reinforce two character flaws:
1) You hold LZ perverts to a different standard than you do your personal hero perverts. Hypocrisy.
2. You continue to avoid answering tough questions. (Howard the Duck?) Cowardice.
Even your minions are backing off. Only one came to your aid.
*** whipping? You couldn't whip your own *** ... with a mirror and an extension cord.
Yikes!! This statement in the LZ fallout thread? Well,...the same theme at least....
To call them sexual predators is perhaps a stretch. I also believe this kind of thing goes on a lot more than people here want to believe.
What would you call kids that sexually abuse other kids? This isn't hazing this is criminal sexual assault in every possible definition. Sorry if that hurts your delicate sensibilities.
Team leaders making kids blow each other is something that you can imagine happening elsewhere thus they should not blow up the program?
No, it doesn't.
So now you are deflecting forced sexual assualts on other schools, completely made up assaults at that.
And you are basing this on what? If a year ago I asked you if this was happening at LZ, you would have said no. Now all of a sudden it's impossible that it's not more common than people think? Probably not to the extent of LZ, but I will guarantee it does happen elsewhere in smaller forms
Pjjp
Me & you are on the same page here totally. I have been saying what good ever comes out of hazing or bullying. People on here want to say that the two are different but if your the kid being hazed isn't that considered bullying. I bet the kid feels it is. Besides what is this teaching? It comes down to Neanderthal thinking. Time to smarten up people this hazing stuff leads to crap like we're finding out about now. Does anyone on this site work at a place that allows hazing or bullying? Let's be smart people and realize this type of behavior is wrong.
So jacking kids off to help determine team captains and sexually violating kids is "kids being stupid?"
I've been involved in covering this case since November when it was uncovered. Through the FOIA we also uncovered that incidents of physical abuse and hazing were known by the school district and admitted as such going back to last year.
If I asked you if you knew about Penn State 20 years ago what would you have said?
Thanks for supporting child sexual assault - be proud
I am just telling you, when this goes to court, it will not be treated as a criminal sexual case, rather a hazing case. You want to think of them as sexual predators, they will never be classified as such by the state.
Actually you are so very wrong. The initial case is a civil suit where hazing and Criminal sexual assault will both be listed in the lawsuit. And criminal charges are being prepared against teachers, administrators and kids.
Oh and one other thing, the kids who were abused are still being verbally abused and harassed every day at the school. Is that ok in your world since it happens everywhere
Stay tuned my rape supporting sicko, this story is far from over.
And once the criminal charges are filed - in the suit, several will have to file as child sexual offenders. Like I said more to come this is far far from over.
But hey if this happens everywhere I'm glad your ok with it.
More than stupid. This is beyond just kids being stupid, this is sick s#it and some of these kids need serious help! We're talking rape and sadomasochistic sick s#it. This goes far beyond normal thinking and these kids involved need serious therapy.
So because you think it goes on more than we know you act like it's okay? This wasn't a stretch these kids involved need help/therapy. Really I believe jail time. I am going to leave you with this thought.
If it were your kid being hazed and forced to do oral and shoving broomstick up theirs butt, what would you do? BBCH77 you need to wake up.
Lake
We are completely on the same page. I am beginning to think BBCH77 has some serious issues being supportive of these sick kids. I really
think some of the kids performing those devious sick acts deserve jail time. LZ Football should be completely banished. They had their chance and they failed miserably. The school doesn't deserve to have the privilege of have a program.
Corey
Totally agree. I think often times the culture of wanting to be involved with winning trumps all else. Even common sense. I've asked myself hundreds of times throughout this ordeal what could possibly compel a person to think that this is even remotely ok? Have a hard time comprehending that.
While I don't agree with most of what BBCHS77 is saying his point that lesser forms of sexual hazing are going on in many locker rooms is pretty spot on. Kids getting pissed on, teabagged, swirlied and ridiculed is nothing that was invented in LZ although they have taken it to an unheard of level.
When I was playing college football and I would hear stories from high school lockers room I would think thank god i didn't go to that school.
When I was playing college football and I would hear stories from high school lockers room I would think thank god i didn't go to that school.
Hazing is the kindest word for some of what went on there and sexual assault is more accurate for the other parts of it. the truly sick part about this is the school and people in positions of authority were on notice that it was going on and allowed it to continue. The only reason that those involved have not been charged to date is that all the witness refused to talk to the police. Once those involved and witnesses are compelled under oath both in depositions and Federal civil court there will be a record and then they will more than likely be charged. As to the "did it really happen?" some are throwing out there, use the adage of "common sense". Do you seriously think that all these people resigned over "minor" hazing.
The school, administration and school board have fought very hard to sweep this under the rug using the BS of heavily redacted reports for "privacy" concerns, they have been stonewalling. It is only because of the FOIA request, the lawsuit and the reporting has information started to come out. What is out so far is just the tip of the iceberg. Meanwhile the victims here are being STILL harassed and stigmatized. it is truly disgraceful.
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My only point was that calling them sexual predators is jumping to conclusions, not condoning what they did at all. Good god man!!
In the cases I have seen, it's tried as a hazing crime, not as a sexual crime. Without getting too detailed, it isn't an arousal act, rather a criminal physical act and will be punished more like a fight.
as a former prosecutor, i can tell you, when you stick your balls into the mouth of someone without their consent, that is rape.
This won't and should never be tried or treated like a fight. I was in and seen plenty of physical fights growing up and not once did anything resemble what happened in LZ. Kids that fight don't perform
sex acts on the other. Let's get this straight. I call them sexual predators and you would to if it was being done to your kid.
Agreed Lake
Normal people can't comprehend this and that's the issue. We're not dealing with normal people. To do the things being reported is just sick and needs to be treated as such. This was far from being close to the line of right or wrong, this was taken to a level of criminal. I feel for all the victims, they are ones taking all the abuse both mentally and physically. I say they prosecute to the fullest.
I am having a hard time understanding why you say lesser forms of sexual hazing your pointing out. I see that as almost as bad. Again why would one think this is acceptable behavior? Unbelievable it's happening anywhere.
Maybe I'm very old and very uninformed which both likely are true, but I can't see how hazing helps build a team or bring a team closer together.
If you wanna call what happened at lake Zurich hazing then ask yourself how hazing of any kind helps bond a team closer.
To me it's an excuse for power hungry kids to pick on kids that can't defend themselves. That sort of thing will catch up with these types of kids the older hey get.
How cool will they look when they try and bully someone in college or the real world?
If you wanna call what happened at lake Zurich hazing then ask yourself how hazing of any kind helps bond a team closer.
To me it's an excuse for power hungry kids to pick on kids that can't defend themselves. That sort of thing will catch up with these types of kids the older hey get.
How cool will they look when they try and bully someone in college or the real world?
Lake,
See some of my earlier post on this thread. I have repeatedly said the exact same thing. Hazing and treating a teammate as an inferior human is beyond my comprehension and can't possibly have any positive effect on the student or team. Ramblingman in an earlier post tried to say some forms of hazing has a place. I am not convinced his examples proved it was at all necessary or had any positive affect on the player, victim, student, school or anyone. I will say it again if anyone thinks any form of hazing has a positive impact on society please give me a real examples.
Ask someone in the mental health industry if they would automatically call these kids sexual predators, that was my only point guys. You can call them a lot of things here, but by definition sexual predator is not one of them..
How is any form of hazing team building. Let's get it straight. Hazing is designed to make another inferior. How is that team building. Give me a real example of a football player or team doing what you call light hearted.
Let's see they threaten another force them to perform sex acts and force bodily harm on the victim. That sounds like a sexual rapist or predator in my book. Keep protecting these sickos. Answer my question if your kid was the victim would u feel the same?
Whether it's my kid or not, it's not going to change the clinical name of the accused. And where have I protected them? LOL
Sorry, I thought you add comprehension skills. If it was my kid, they still aren't sexual predators
No no no. Even though this must be a troll statement I'm still going to respond.
Kids being stupid making bad decisions are things such as: trying the green leafy plant that is legal now in several states, smoking, underage drinking, reckless with cars etc etc).
What we have here is Forced sexual assault and rape which is a felony crime. Authority figures looking the other way and/or actively trying to cover it up makes them accomplices in my book.