The Force Awakens

[BlueRaider22]

All I know is that the family got some serious issues.

-Rey - abandoned on a desert planet by her foster family. Has never met her famous dad. Now has to defeat her cousin for control of the Galaxy

-Luke - never knew his father.....and when he did find out it turns out he's public enemy numero uno. Hits on his twin sister.....but we can forgive that because he didn't even know she was his sister. Then after saving the Galaxy abandons his now known family to go live in secret. Oh, and he killed his father.

-Leia - had a twin she knew nothing about. Father was "the" galactic gangster......so, in turn, she grows up to fall in love with a notorious criminal outlaw. Even though their relationship is rocky, They have a kid together who ends up being "Hitler the Sequel".

-Kylo - bears resemblance to the Boston Marathon bomber with his striking feminine features. Has serious anger issues. Kills his father. Is trying to kill his mama.


My goodness this reads like a lifetime movie drama. I wonder when JR will get shot?

 

[rabidcatfan]

WARNING!!!!...About to go FULL-ON STAR WARS NERD here in approximately 3...2...1...

The whole Rey is Luke's daughter/Obi Wan's Granddaughter thing has been blown way out of proportion. First, unless Obi Wan had a child BEFORE he went into exile on Tatooine to watch out for Luke, then theres no way he had an children. If he did have a child, then that would mean that this child was alive during the the timeline for Episode III which took place approximately 19 years before Episode IV. Then, you'd have to consider that Rey is around 19 years old which puts her birth 11 years after the events of Episode VI, so it is possible that an infant child of Kenobi could have parented Rey, but it seems highly unlikely given Obi Wan's staunch adherence to the Jedi code and their lifestyle which strictly prohibited emotional entanglements and relationships.

Also, the idea that she could be Lukes daughter, although a possibility given the timeline, also seems extremely far fetched. First off, why would she be abandoned on Jakku of all places? Especially with someone who she didn't even know? At least Obi Wan left Luke with his mothers Stepson on Tatooine, so at least there was some sort of familial connection.

Ben Solo's turn to the darkside and his uprising against Luke's Jedi academy supposedly happened roughly 14 years before the events of Episode VII which coincides with Reys abandonment on Jakku at 5 years old, but I highly doubt she is the offspring of Luke, or another child of Han and Leia as they would obviously know if they had another kid out there. Luke, as a Jedi Master and teacher would have adhered to the Jedi Code as staunchly as Kenobi and I don't think he had much time for relations while trying to establish a Jedi Academy and searching the universe for younglings to train.

My Guess... (Warning...Super Nerd Theories and possible Episode VIII plot spoilers ahead...enter at your own risk!)...

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My guess is that Rey may be the key to the entire Ben Solo uprising. I believe she was a youngling at the academy and may be a descendant of Kenobi, not a direct descendant, but his grandniece perhaps. I believe that Solo, knowing his lineage in the Force, became frustrated with his lack of progression and was probably intimidated by the raw Force ability of this small child who was more than 10 years his junior yet exhibited a much stronger grasp of the Force. This increased his frustration and left him vulnerable to Snoke who had been watching from afar and waiting, anticipating Solo's weakness and waiting for the precise moment to reveal himself. After Ben's turn and the murder of the other trainee's, the small child (Rey), who was protected from harm by Luke, was hidden away by Luke (much as Obi Wan had done with him), but instead of staying on the planet to watch over her, he went on his own mission to find the first Jedi temple, possibly hoping to re-establish the Jedi Academy there at some point, but mainly to remove himself from society because he is ashamed of what happened at the Academy and his inability to control his nephews emotions and also to protect Rey who would now be a target for the newly dubbed Kylo Ren and would possibly be discovered if Luke was on the same planet as her.

I think he left the map with the hope that she may one day find him and complete her training, leaving it up to the Force to guide her to him.

This is just my guess at her backstory, but who knows...

 

[-LEK-]

I've seen the movie multiple times....

Still don't believe she is Luke's Daughter. Luke was about as dedicated to the Jedi as one could be. His integrity was paramount. Having relations with another was against the Jedi rules, and I don't fathom that he broke those rules by having a child with another woman

I think part of this too, but then again, Luke was more than just a Jedi, and more than a sith. He used his anger and emotions as tools, but did not succumb to them to beat Vader (which apparently is less impressive than reading the mind of a sith in training...). I could see Luke being outside the Jedi rules, as an overman.

 

[TransyCat09]

I find it funny we allow ourselves to believe the X-Men can have powers , The Avengers have powers etc... but people can't just believe the Force can guide Anakin, Luke and Rey to accomplish amazing things? Especially when the movies lay it out on the table that the Force can do almost anything.

Or maybe if they would of just said Rey was Luke's daughter instead of just implying it... people would of accepted her strength in the force.

It's not that the concept of the force is hard to believe in the Star Wars universe. It is that the original trilogy placed such a heavy emphasis on the training aspect, that when we see people subverting that "rule" it doesn't follow the ground rules that have been laid out.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

nothing was more far fetched than the original trilogy's kid still being named skywalker, given to his aunt and uncle all while the evil with lord Vader is his father.

It took until the prequels to give some sort of explanation.

She also had training , she had a staff and could wield it early on, she was taught how to fly and fix things by the alien trader guy and Maz Kanata taught her for a few seconds , which comes into play at the end when she awakens the force completely

What would be unbelievable is if she wasn't a Skywalker because the skywalker's were born from the force and other Jedi , not even Yoda has their potential. She would have to be another force birth and even then many fans would be upset if the series was to stop following the Skywalker's.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Judge her by her size do you?

Grown tired of teenage girl heroes like Catpiss Rubberspleen and Divergent girl, I have.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Rey is so much better than those teenie bopper movie chicks. The only time she even had time to act like a teenager was when she was home at the AT-AT

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

rey is Luke's daughter. Any other explanation is either too complicated or doesn't have the same narrative weight.

Remember who is now making Star Wars. They like princesses and if she is sky walker, then she is royalty. She is Cinderella. She is rapunZel. She is not a nobody.

episode 8 and 9 are being set up as skywalker vs skywalker

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Secretly i wish she is Ren's little sister and you later find out Luke has a son about Rey's age. Just because siblings having to fight each other would carry more weight

And that way there are two skywalker's to follow in later movies

 

[-LEK-]

It's not that the concept of the force is hard to believe in the Star Wars universe. It is that the original trilogy placed such a heavy emphasis on the training aspect, that when we see people subverting that "rule" it doesn't follow the ground rules that have been laid out.

So besides reading a student's mind being greater than defeating Vader, you are now claiming its all about training in the original trilogy?

Uhm, Luke was one of the strongest people in the history of the galaxy with the Force. Its why he was able to pick up using a light saber, etc. so quickly. (while no official timeline, its estimated about 4 years between IV and VI), so in 4 years, as an adult, with little training, beats the the baddest dude in the whole galaxy (somehow still not as impressive as reading the mind of an untrained sith, lol). Not only that, Yoda dies before Luke completes his training.

With Rey, there are heavy implications that she was trained as a young child (which Yoda even claims is more important. If she is a Skywalker, the force is strong in her family). So it doesnt break this "rule" you made up.

If anything, the prequels define the training aspect more heavily.

Look, I know this is nerd talk, and thats fine, but you may want to sit this one out.

 

[TransyCat09]

4 years of training while being the strongest person with the force in the universe

vs.

Potential bloodline to powerful Jedi and minimal if any training

Yeah, I can see how those are similar

 

[UKserialkiller]

Rey is so much better than those teenie bopper movie chicks. The only time she even had time to act like a teenager was when she was home at the AT-AT

Man, just pissed. Wanted to see a new bad *** Jedi. And what we got was a starving teen girl.

Double quadriplegic amputee? No problem, "the Force" will make you as strong as Darth Vader.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Um no, Vader was just as strong in the force. but Vader had more training

Lol you act like Rey did something amazing. She used a Jedi mind trick on a stupid storm trooper and got in 2 hits on a severely weakened apprentice. The reading ren's thought is as simply explained by the process being a two way street and she saw it without realizing how she did it.

She also swung the light saber like a complete newb, and she was lucky ren was trying to take her alive

 

[UKserialkiller]

Sounds like all that double amputee needs is some training

 

[Ron Mehico]

How you can argue that the last lightsaber scene was a little weird with how easily Rey beat KyloRen I don't understand. I mean she completely kicked his *** and was getting ready to kill him, with minimal effort. I found that odd.

Overall the movie was OKAY, but if they don't introduce some sort of plot twist or something in the second movie then these movies will be really predictable. I mean at this point I think we can all guess that in the 2nd movie Kylo Ren will be way more badass and powerful and will seem to be this unstoppable force that kills someone important (probably Luke), and then in the 3rd movie Rey will be super powerful and then Kylo Ren will come to the light side and blah blah blah. Just retardedly predictable right now, so I hope they go with a plot twist and actually improve the story telling with the second one. Right now its in a good direction, but if it plays out like it seems its going to be the story telling will be pretty unoriginal and overall they'll all seem like a rehash and they won't really age that well.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

We are all such nerds arguing over a fictional universe. [roll]

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Mehico, go watch the movie again. I've seen it 5 times now so she got him off balance, did a jab where she got his shoulder, then they grabbed each other's arms for a little bit. She then got the upper hand and sliced upwards only barely grazing him as evidenced by the not so deep at all face wound

The music might make it feel more like she kicked butt, but watching it, she was struggling all up until the last swing

Finn for example got one hit in on Kylo ren with no force powers that we know of. And I don't see you complaining about that

 

[-LEK-]

How you can argue that the last lightsaber scene was a little weird with how easily Rey beat KyloRen I don't understand. I mean she completely kicked his *** and was getting ready to kill him, with minimal effort. I found that odd.

Overall the movie was OKAY, but if they don't introduce some sort of plot twist or something in the second movie then these movies will be really predictable. I mean at this point I think we can all guess that in the 2nd movie Kylo Ren will be way more badass and powerful and will seem to be this unstoppable force that kills someone important (probably Luke), and then in the 3rd movie Rey will be super powerful and then Kylo Ren will come to the light side and blah blah blah. Just retardedly predictable right now, so I hope they go with a plot twist and actually improve the story telling with the second one. Right now its in a good direction, but if it plays out like it seems its going to be the story telling will be pretty unoriginal and overall they'll all seem like a rehash and they won't really age that well.

Kylo Ren was severly injured from the blast shot, was bleeding badly, Rey's sword thrusts were going for kill shot, but were blocked fairly easily. Also, one of the key notes was that Kylo Ren lacks focus, where the advantage only goes to Rey is when she is focused. Disagree on an easy defeat.

 

[UKwizard]

Maybe Rey is the next chosen one. It's called the Force Awakens which has to do with it awakening in her and perhaps she is so strong with the force that she can do things naturally that it takes other Jedi years of training. Maybe Lucas was such a ****** story teller in the prequels that instead of SHOWING us that Anakin can do things naturally with no training they just say he is the strongest ever in the force (lolmidichlorians) and were supposed to take their word for it.

Rey is way more mature than Luke was in A New Hope. Luke took on Vader (the most powerful Jedi/Sith perhaps ever) and held his own in Empire and then beat him in Jedi. Kylo Ren is an immature punk who can't keep cool and Rey got a few good wacks at him (He was very very hurt) to save herself. Darth Vader would murder Kylo Ren in like 5 seconds.

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

And again, let's not forget that ren was shot in the gut with a bowcaster and obviously injured. That is all the explanation they need for why ren and Finn were able to successfully fight him

 

[-LEK-]

4 years of training while being the strongest person with the force in the universe

vs.

Potential bloodline to powerful Jedi and minimal if any training

Yeah, I can see how those are similar

You just keep pushing terrible takes.

-Beating Vader more impressive than reading the mind of a sith in training. Lol. Nope.
-Both Luke and Rey had minimal training (All Luke's teachers were dead), yet claim training was important element in the OT, when it clearly wasnt. Lol. Nope.

 

[funKYcat75]

Let's all remember that this is a movie. if it were 'real', Kylo Ren would have just kept throwing them against trees until they died.

Next question, why did he not finish off Finn?

There must be some LIGHT IN HIM!!!!11!!11

 

[LadyCaytIL]

If this was all real, why didnt Obi Wan or Anakin just force push the other one into the Lava?

Or if it was real, the Star Destroyer in a new hope would of just shot the damn life pod out of the sky and just like that, the rebellion is screwed and Luke never gets involved.

 

[Wrong]

Not sure that I have seen this covered yet but why is Kylo Ren wearing a mask? Vader had to but not sure why Ren is.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Not sure that I have seen this covered yet but why is Kylo Ren wearing a mask? Vader had to but not sure why Ren is.

1. He worships vader

2. to intimidate others

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

WARNING!!!!...About to go FULL-ON STAR WARS NERD here in approximately 3...2...1...

The whole Rey is Luke's daughter/Obi Wan's Granddaughter thing has been blown way out of proportion. First, unless Obi Wan had a child BEFORE he went into exile on Tatooine to watch out for Luke, then theres no way he had an children. If he did have a child, then that would mean that this child was alive during the the timeline for Episode III which took place approximately 19 years before Episode IV. Then, you'd have to consider that Rey is around 19 years old which puts her birth 11 years after the events of Episode VI, so it is possible that an infant child of Kenobi could have parented Rey, but it seems highly unlikely given Obi Wan's staunch adherence to the Jedi code and their lifestyle which strictly prohibited emotional entanglements and relationships.

Also, the idea that she could be Lukes daughter, although a possibility given the timeline, also seems extremely far fetched. First off, why would she be abandoned on Jakku of all places? Especially with someone who she didn't even know? At least Obi Wan left Luke with his mothers Stepson on Tatooine, so at least there was some sort of familial connection.

Ben Solo's turn to the darkside and his uprising against Luke's Jedi academy supposedly happened roughly 14 years before the events of Episode VII which coincides with Reys abandonment on Jakku at 5 years old, but I highly doubt she is the offspring of Luke, or another child of Han and Leia as they would obviously know if they had another kid out there. Luke, as a Jedi Master and teacher would have adhered to the Jedi Code as staunchly as Kenobi and I don't think he had much time for relations while trying to establish a Jedi Academy and searching the universe for younglings to train.

My Guess... (Warning...Super Nerd Theories and possible Episode VIII plot spoilers ahead...enter at your own risk!)...

3...

2...

1...

My guess is that Rey may be the key to the entire Ben Solo uprising. I believe she was a youngling at the academy and may be a descendant of Kenobi, not a direct descendant, but his grandniece perhaps. I believe that Solo, knowing his lineage in the Force, became frustrated with his lack of progression and was probably intimidated by the raw Force ability of this small child who was more than 10 years his junior yet exhibited a much stronger grasp of the Force. This increased his frustration and left him vulnerable to Snoke who had been watching from afar and waiting, anticipating Solo's weakness and waiting for the precise moment to reveal himself. After Ben's turn and the murder of the other trainee's, the small child (Rey), who was protected from harm by Luke, was hidden away by Luke (much as Obi Wan had done with him), but instead of staying on the planet to watch over her, he went on his own mission to find the first Jedi temple, possibly hoping to re-establish the Jedi Academy there at some point, but mainly to remove himself from society because he is ashamed of what happened at the Academy and his inability to control his nephews emotions and also to protect Rey who would now be a target for the newly dubbed Kylo Ren and would possibly be discovered if Luke was on the same planet as her.

I think he left the map with the hope that she may one day find him and complete her training, leaving it up to the Force to guide her to him.

This is just my guess at her backstory, but who knows...

Making Rey related to kenobi is too complicated and vague. Try explaining why it's relevant to a 7 year old.

Better yet. Try explaining any potential plot lines to a 7 year old. If they can follow you, then it's possibility. If not, back to the drawing board.

It's too complicated and weird to try to explain how or why like abandoned her on jakku. My guess is that he didn't. He thought she was killed in the attack. somebody put her there, but it wasn't luke

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Lets just be honest, who wouldnt turn Rey's biscuit upside down and smash it back to dough?

 

[Ron Mehico]

If you guys think that Rey getting ready to kill Kylo Ren and the only thing that saved him was the ground separating underneath them in under 5 minutes wasn't odd, then that's fine and obviously your opinion. But to me it was weird as ****. She is some random girl that didn't even know what a lightsaber was and in 30 minutes she's about to kill some Sith guy that is apparently pretty badass. But whatever, the bigger issue I have right now is what seems like basically rehashing the original trilogy's plot. I hope they add a twist and mix it up in this 2nd one or these will also end up being disappointing to me. In now way in hell would I have been able to predict the plots of Empire Strikes back or ROTJ after watching a new hope, but I feel like I can predict the next two movies plots right now, and that's not a good thing.

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

If you guys think that Rey getting ready to kill Kylo Ren and the only thing that saved him was the ground separating underneath them in under 5 minutes wasn't odd, then that's fine and obviously your opinion. But to me it was weird as ****. She is some random girl that didn't even know what a lightsaber was and in 30 minutes she's about to kill some Sith guy that is apparently pretty badass. But whatever, the bigger issue I have right now is what seems like basically rehashing the original trilogy's plot. I hope they add a twist and mix it up in this 2nd one or these will also end up being disappointing to me. In now way in hell would I have been able to predict the plots of Empire Strikes back or ROTJ after watching a new hope, but I feel like I can predict the next two movies plots right now, and that's not a good thing.

I really don't think they'll use the family ties as the big plot twists. They didn't in this one. They could have easily saved the reveal that ren is Han Solos son until the bridge scene, but it's revealed a little mode than halfway instead.

Hopefully there's something else more to come, and I think there is because the director for 8 is known for crafting some crazy plots.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

Ren was already heavily injured and we don't really know how extensive his light saber training is. But again, this movie sucked the juice out of a star and shot it at warp-speed across the galaxy. I think Rey's combat prowess is a relatively minor issue.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Who's the director for 8? So Abrams is done?

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

Rian Johnson. He did the movie looper.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

So right now she's some random girl..... In a New hope , Luke was some random moisture farmer. In the original trilogy you have 3 movies over 30 years ago that people can just watch all 3 at once to explain some things. This movie you have 2 more movies over the next 3 and a half years to wait for things to be explained.

I also feel that anyone who watched the movie and thinks that Kylo Ren was a sith didnt pay attention enough to give a viable opinion on the movie. I mean it was only exactly explained that he wasn't fully trained and the guy had wounds that would kill a normal person but he's supposed to fight like a god?

 

[UKserialkiller]

1. He worships vader

2. to intimidate others

It's his Grandfather. That may have some sentiment for him.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Rey is way more mature than Luke was in A New Hope. Luke took on Vader (the most powerful Jedi/Sith perhaps ever) and held his own in Empire and then beat him in Jedi. Kylo Ren is an immature punk who can't keep cool and Rey got a few good wacks at him (He was very very hurt) to save herself. Darth Vader would murder Kylo Ren in like 5 seconds.

That's only because she sounds British. Those British people have an elegance when they talk that makes them sound so much more mature.

Just think that Rey as a Jedi hurts this franchise, of course I'm not a feminist either.

If her only sole purpose is to make Jedi babies for future Episodes then I am ok with that. But she should using her Jedi power to making sure dinner is cook and on time.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I also feel that anyone who watched the movie and thinks that Kylo Ren was a sith didnt pay attention enough to give a viable opinion on the movie.

[eyeroll] Okay guy that has a Star Wars avatar and admitting to watching a GD movie 5 times in a theatre. We get it, it was awesome. You probably literally had a boner the first 30 minutes. We get it.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

[eyeroll] Okay guy that has a Star Wars avatar and admitting to watching a GD movie 5 times in a theatre. We get it, it was awesome. You probably literally had a boner the first 30 minutes. We get it.

Doesnt matter if its star wars or the revenant.... if you are going to watch a movie and discuss it, pay attention to the damn movie. 1st time through you should be able to get that Kylo was a Knight of Ren and not even fully trained because the movie spends actual dialogue stating this. If you know what a Sith is.... then you are a geek enough to know that Ren wasn't one.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Oh, I see, he was a "Knight of Ren" and not a "sith guy" like I mentioned. [sick]

It doesn't at all change my point whatsoever. How some girl who didn't even know WTF a lightsaber was and then 30 minutes later was kicking a "knight of Ren's" *** and about to literally kill him in under 5 minutes until the earth seperated was pretty damn odd. And also to my point I did not find the movie particularly original and I hope an unexpected twist will be added in the 2nd movie to spice things up. Hopefully that now allows me to discuss the movie. I can put on a chewie mask and masturbate to a picture of princess leia later tonight to try and up my credibility with you if that helps.

 

[UKserialkiller]

The Force= was Rey's Deus Ex Machina.

Also, the Dark Side= Capitalism, and the Force=socialism.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

The Force= was Rey's Deus Ex Machina.

Also, the Dark Side= Capitalism, and the Force=socialism.

a lot of Buddhist propaganda in these movies. "Become one with the Force" :flush: