The Force Awakens

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a lot of Buddhist propaganda in these movies. "Become one with the Force" :flush:

****, I don't see no Tibetan Gandhis in Star Wars.

The Force is also social justice warriors mantra too.

"With the Force, it doesn't matter where you come from, you can be anything you want to be!"
 
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God no, go beat the one eyed snake to Margot Robbie or someone way hotter. Leia was kinda a messed up little sister even for the 70's.

How do you know she's never heard of a light saber? Even when she was acting like Luke Skywalker was a myth.. it still sounded like she heard about all of it by way of stories.

I mean movies are full of "no effin way that happens in real life" stuff. But this is the problem you have? In Avatar, why didnt they just carpet bomb the entire damn planet from space? In A new Hope why didnt they just shoot the damn life pod out of the sky and take no chances? all your favorite movies have those "lucky" moments where the hero / protagonist of the movie gets a favorable outcome.

They did a good job of having Ren own her both at Maz Kanata's planet and up until she shut her eyes........... then the Force took over ( I mean you did get that reference when the music kicked in with the force theme right?) ... If the force can will the entire Skywalker lineage into place, are you saying the line to cross is it guiding a strong force user into getting 2 hits on someone?
 

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from the book, Kylo Ren thought killing his father would strengthen him to the Dark Side but it just weakened him. Then he gets shot with the Bow Caster.

Better explanation you can live with?????? His head wasn't in the game.

Even Anthony Davis has clunkers some times.
 
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It wasn't a big issue at all, just found it odd. It didn't ruin the movie or anything, just was taken aback how quickly and easily she dismantled the guy, that's all. I wasn't really even issuing that as a weakness of the movie, all I have ever described at is "odd", that's all. The bigger issue with me was the unoriginal plot. That's really my issue with the movie. It seems rather predictable. I already said that the first movie started off the trilogy well, but that the 2nd one needs a "twist" for me to really get into them.

You star wars fans are like Rafters posters. "Oh, you are asking why Tyler Ulis was inbounding the ball at the end of the UL game? Oh you mean you want to FIRE CALIPARI YOU SONOFABITCH?!?!?"
 
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My point in bringing it up is that it is emblematic of JJ Abrams and his direction. These things come out of nowhere because he spends most of his time painting in broad strokes to push the story along to the next action sequence.

Rey is abandoned and strong. That's about it as far as her character goes. No self-doubt, no nuance, just basic character traits.
 
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Well I find it odd she didnt show side boob. and one could say it almost ruined the movie

And where is the green titties nip slip to homage the ROTJ?
 

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I'm afraid Rey won't get sexy clothes since she's a human Jedi. Damn.
 

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here is some fan art someone made





if they did the ole switcharoo and used these looks as inspiration..... a million times yes
 

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I mean in that fan art picture.... if she wanted to eat me like a preying mantis afterwards........ sh*t, sign me up and worth it.
 

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$90.2M for the weekend gives it $742M domestic. It should pass Avatar either tomorrow or Wednesday. It'll move to 4th all time world wide today. This will be a big week to see if it has a shot at Avatar's world wide total. I believe it opens in China this weekend. If I had to guess, I'd say it ends up somewhere between Titanic and Avatar for number two world wide when all is said and done.
 

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I can't get into a nerd battle on this stuff, but i just figured that Rey is Luke's daughter, and had received significant training, but was either repressing the memory (due to trauma from Ren killing everyone) or had her mind wiped by Luke/Snoke/whoever for reasons currently unknown.

I find her whipping up on an injured Kilo Ren less of a leap of faith than

1) Ren leaving Rey entirely alone except for 1 guard
2) Finn, the janitor having all the blueprints for the new death star
3) A random stormtrooper (Finn's boss) being able to lower the shields from a random computer terminal, and no one else in the entire ship a)noticing or b)being able to turn them back on.
4) It taking something like 45 minutes for the "15 minutes" to charge the frickin laser beam at the end.
5) Finn surviving a lightsaber down the middle.

And none of the above really bothered me either. As for plot twists - it all typically revolves around the bad guys trying to blow up some planets with a super weapon, and the good guys trying to stop them. 4 & 6 both had this basic plot as well as 7 now - and that's fine. Differences only in what else happens - Luke turning his father at the end of 6, Kilo Ren killing HS in 7, Rey discovering she is a Jedi in 7, etc. At the of the day, I want some lightsaber battles, some aerial battles and some explosions. The good vs evil motif ain't going anywhere so get used to it. I bet at the end of 8, things are going to look pretty bleak for the Rebels. Might even call the film Revenge of the Ren or The Ren Strikes Back or Ren Gets his Groove Back or something. But then I bet at the end of 9 the rebels pull out an OT victory. Predictable? Yeah. So what?
 

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The Finn thing, you kinda have to be a star wars junkie to get. Finn went from janitor to storm trooper because they have to learn it all no matter what job they have. Their job is determined by their scores.

If you take a second to think about it...... it would be a nightmare to have to learn what we do already but what if we found out we are just 1 of 10 thousand inhabited worlds in our galaxy and had to learn about them too... then about space travel and galactic politics... No wonder they need droids in star wars lol
 

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$90.2M for the weekend gives it $742M domestic. It should pass Avatar either tomorrow or Wednesday. It'll move to 4th all time world wide today. This will be a big week to see if it has a shot at Avatar's world wide total. I believe it opens in China this weekend. If I had to guess, I'd say it ends up somewhere between Titanic and Avatar for number two world wide when all is said and done.
Saw a write up this morning - it's fuzzy already but I think the piece said it took Avatar 74 days to get to $700 million, and it took this movie 16 days to get there.

Seems obvious to me with inflation, the historical vagaries of movie ticket cost, etc., that the way to measure whatever it is they are trying to get to is number of tickets sold. Revenues is a pretty inaccurate way to capture what they are trying to convey. And that info must be fairly easy to infer, see all the "as adjusted for inflation" lists you can find.....
 

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Seems obvious to me with inflation, the historical vagaries of movie ticket cost, etc., that the way to measure whatever it is they are trying to get to is number of tickets sold. Revenues is a pretty inaccurate way to capture what they are trying to convey. And that info must be fairly easy to infer, see all the "as adjusted for inflation" lists you can find.....

Accounting for inflation is flawed too for several factors. For something like Gone with the Wind, that's a film that had an initial run of about four years with little competition as opposed to these days where films don't even last 6 months and have several new wide releases each week. Owning it on home video was also unheard of then, so to see it, you had to go to the theater.

Using the average ticket price to try to judge for inflation is tough too, because some films get more 3D and IMAX tickets sold than others. It also doesn't account for the number of discounted matinees that I would imagine is an option for a lot of people for repeat viewings.

Tracking the number of tickets sold would be great, but that data just doesn't exist.
 

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problem with inflation comparisons is that different movies / companies have different deals with the theaters. I think I heard that Star Wars the force awakens is getting almost all of their ticket sales because theaters are ok with just making popcorn and drink money off of those people... but other movies have to give 10% up to 30% to theaters. It just depends.

For world wide, inflation is way too much math for any sane person to want to figure it out properly because there could be deflation as well...
 

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problem with inflation comparisons is that different movies / companies have different deals with the theaters. I think I heard that Star Wars the force awakens is getting almost all of their ticket sales because theaters are ok with just making popcorn and drink money off of those people... but other movies have to give 10% up to 30% to theaters. It just depends.

For world wide, inflation is way too much math for any sane person to want to figure it out properly because there could be deflation as well...

Also good points, although I believe theater cuts are typically tiered so your percentages may be right for an opening weekend, but a higher cut goes to the theaters for each week of release.
 

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For world wide, inflation is way too much math for any sane person to want to figure it out properly because there could be deflation as well...

Correct - for most geos outside the US - when measuring in dollars, SW is generating significantly less per ticket than Avatar because most currencies have devalued so much from when Avatar was out. Euro was ~$1.40-1.45 when Avatar came out, now it's $1.08. Canadian and Aussie dollars also worth less, same with the Pound. Yen went from 90 to 120. You adjust for FX and Star Wars probably blows Avatar away.
 
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Ren was not trying to kill her either. He just asked her to join him. She then clears her mind and releases a counter that obviously surprises a severely hurt Ren. Nothing she did really is that big of a stretch given she probably had some sort of training she can't remember which remains to be seen.

I think that has to be the explanation. He was hurt, she has repressed training, he wasn't really trying to kill her. It really doesn't make sense that she'd be able to beat him, otherwise.
 

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I saw purity and innocence in this movie and the will to do what is right no matter the cost. It is actually a movie based on Old fashioned American morality and that's why it's making billions
 
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I saw purity and innocence in this movie and the will to do what is right no matter the cost. It is actually a movie based on Old fashioned American morality and that's why it's making billions

Edit. Actually the more I think about it. Dunnst is right. Apologies.
 
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Probably the best way to gauge movie popularity throughout the years was to also have a Tickets sold tally.. That would have made a lot more sense. If they can easily tally up the $$, they can easily tally the number of tickets bought.
 
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I don't think Rey kicking Kylo's *** was that much of a stretch. He was hurt, undisciplined, and basically GoBot Vader to begin with, so it's not like he was some superhuman threat. Hell, Snoke hadn't even bothered to finish his training in the years they'd been together. Also, they made a point of showing early on that Rey was more than capable of taking care of herself with her bow staff, so she wasn't some newbie to fighting.
 
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I mean, the guy was literally punching the spot where he'd just been shot to - what - pump himself up, I guess? That's amateur hour from a cosplay Sith.
 

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Right. And that was a neat trick with the blaster bolt at the beginning but remember Vader deflected Han's shots with his GD hands and ripped the gun out his hand with the force in Empire. That was a pimp move.
 

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I'm guessing that most of the tickets sold for Avatar were for the 3D version which is a higher proced ticket. I know Star Wars is in 3D too but I don't think they rely on the gimmick as much as Avatar did.
 

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Kylo Ren hitting himself in the injury was brilliance by JJ

Pain feeds the dark side , Vader was constantly in horrible pain and it made him strong in the dark side. He was weakened by killing his father so he was trying to get the juice flowing again
 

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Saw this:

Force Rage, also known as Dark Rage, Force Enrage, or Force Fury, was a dark side alter Force ability. The Force user would tap into his or her innermost fears, pain and hate, and convert them into an intense rage. The user could then channel the anger to increase his or her own speed, strength, and ferocity. However, the body could not handle such rage for long periods of time, so the user became greatly weakened for some time after the rage subsided. If light side users wielded Force Rage, it could permanently disrupt their connection to the light side unless something happened to interrupt the Rage and bring them out of the dark side's grip. Therefore, the Rage could give the wielder an instantaneous physical and mental response, but pull them into deep depression, physiological harm, and the endless void of the dark side.

It could be that he was making the pain more intense to get to this?
 
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TFA has officially surpassed Avatar to become the highest-grossing domestic film of all time. In only three weeks.

What I'm wondering is if episode 7 will cover the purchase price of Lucasfilm. that would be 4 billion.

Sounds crazy but it's not impossible, including merchandise sales.