The impending explosion of the Dem party

WVPATX

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While the media has been focused on the rival camps in the Republican party, there is far more divisions in the Dem party that will only exacerbate itself over time. The Dem party is composed of many constituencies that will splinter. The minority camps are composed primarily of African-Americans, Latinos, Asians and Arabs. They have similar interests but differ in some key areas like education and on social issues. Asians are being increasingly discriminated against in college admissions, for example. Arabs and Latinos are generally pro family and are against abortion, gay marriage, etc.

The high energy portion of the Dem party is the emerging socialist wing. Obama, Warren and Sanders are the current leaders of this camp. It is comprised of a large African American population as well as immigrants (both legal and illegal). Most of our immigrants come from countries with very large, controlling central governments. Hillary and Biden will race to the left to secure this groups affection.

The moderate center-left camp (Bill Clinton's old crew) is diminishing in power and influence. They are social liberals and fiscal moderates. Another camp is the Blue Dog camp which is virtually disappearing. This camp which includes the likes of Jim Webb still believe in a strong military and are moderates both socially and fiscally. I'd put Manchin in this camp.

When you look at the big money behind the Dems, the splits become even more dramatic. Silicon Valley is socially liberal but fiscally conservative to moderate. Increasing socialist tendencies within the party scare them. Wall Street is another big spender. They hate Warren. Unions are becoming worried. Immigrants take jobs and lower wages. The Dems focus on green energy is killing union jobs. Keystone is supported by unions and opposed by the greens. Hollywood is both fiscally and socially liberal and will continue to be the major influence on the party.

These groups will continue to splinter, imo. Both parties have issues and we may be at the beginning of a national revolution with more parties being created. Should be interesting.
 

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While the media has been focused on the rival camps in the Republican party, there is far more divisions in the Dem party that will only exacerbate itself over time. The Dem party is composed of many constituencies that will splinter. The minority camps are composed primarily of African-Americans, Latinos, Asians and Arabs. They have similar interests but differ in some key areas like education and on social issues. Asians are being increasingly discriminated against in college admissions, for example. Arabs and Latinos are generally pro family and are against abortion, gay marriage, etc.

The high energy portion of the Dem party is the emerging socialist wing. Obama, Warren and Sanders are the current leaders of this camp. It is comprised of a large African American population as well as immigrants (both legal and illegal). Most of our immigrants come from countries with very large, controlling central governments. Hillary and Biden will race to the left to secure this groups affection.

The moderate center-left camp (Bill Clinton's old crew) is diminishing in power and influence. They are social liberals and fiscal moderates. Another camp is the Blue Dog camp which is virtually disappearing. This camp which includes the likes of Jim Webb still believe in a strong military and are moderates both socially and fiscally. I'd put Manchin in this camp.

When you look at the big money behind the Dems, the splits become even more dramatic. Silicon Valley is socially liberal but fiscally conservative to moderate. Increasing socialist tendencies within the party scare them. Wall Street is another big spender. They hate Warren. Unions are becoming worried. Immigrants take jobs and lower wages. The Dems focus on green energy is killing union jobs. Keystone is supported by unions and opposed by the greens. Hollywood is both fiscally and socially liberal and will continue to be the major influence on the party.

These groups will continue to splinter, imo. Both parties have issues and we may be at the beginning of a national revolution with more parties being created. Should be interesting.
Or we have a true national emergency/tragedy and we all hug again and sing Kumbaya, conversely, the whole ********* could go up in flames and we do a reset back to common sense. I vote for the latter personally.
 
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While the media has been focused on the rival camps in the Republican party, there is far more divisions in the Dem party that will only exacerbate itself over time. The Dem party is composed of many constituencies that will splinter. The minority camps are composed primarily of African-Americans, Latinos, Asians and Arabs. They have similar interests but differ in some key areas like education and on social issues. Asians are being increasingly discriminated against in college admissions, for example. Arabs and Latinos are generally pro family and are against abortion, gay marriage, etc.

The high energy portion of the Dem party is the emerging socialist wing. Obama, Warren and Sanders are the current leaders of this camp. It is comprised of a large African American population as well as immigrants (both legal and illegal). Most of our immigrants come from countries with very large, controlling central governments. Hillary and Biden will race to the left to secure this groups affection.

The moderate center-left camp (Bill Clinton's old crew) is diminishing in power and influence. They are social liberals and fiscal moderates. Another camp is the Blue Dog camp which is virtually disappearing. This camp which includes the likes of Jim Webb still believe in a strong military and are moderates both socially and fiscally. I'd put Manchin in this camp.

When you look at the big money behind the Dems, the splits become even more dramatic. Silicon Valley is socially liberal but fiscally conservative to moderate. Increasing socialist tendencies within the party scare them. Wall Street is another big spender. They hate Warren. Unions are becoming worried. Immigrants take jobs and lower wages. The Dems focus on green energy is killing union jobs. Keystone is supported by unions and opposed by the greens. Hollywood is both fiscally and socially liberal and will continue to be the major influence on the party.

These groups will continue to splinter, imo. Both parties have issues and we may be at the beginning of a national revolution with more parties being created. Should be interesting.
So what are you trying to say, that some portion of these folks will start voting Republican? or other? Keep Trump as your nominee and the Dems get about 100% of the hispanic/latin/asian? (insert group(s) he has yet to offend) vote for what that's worth, maybe a lot.
 

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WVPATX, although you're generally full of sh**, and you are again this time in direct terms again, in indirect terms you have a point. The Democrat Party has a lot of different people with regards to ethnicity and religion and sexual orientation and all kinds of stuff. Those people sometimes disagree on things like fiscal policy and foreign policy. But one thing they all agree on, and that more and more Americans are agreeing on, is we should have a country that should be accepting and open to all different kinds of people. And then, given that foundation, our political process should haggle over things like fiscal policy and foreign policy.

Unfortunately, the current Republican Party has no such attitude. If you're not a white Christian heterosexual, you're automatically suspect. I think there are plenty in the Republican Party that don't actually feel that way but in order to get votes they remain silent in the face of the wing of the party that does actually feel that way. But over time that is going to be less and less viable.

So yeah, the Democrats are going to be vulnerable to losing some of it's constituencies to the Republicans over other political issues but not until the Republicans jettison its wing of people that want things go to back to how they were in the 1950s. In other words, the Democrats aren't going to lose a significant number of people to the Republicans until the Republicans jettison people like you.
 

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WVPATX, although you're generally full of sh**, and you are again this time in direct terms again, in indirect terms you have a point. The Democrat Party has a lot of different people with regards to ethnicity and religion and sexual orientation and all kinds of stuff. Those people sometimes disagree on things like fiscal policy and foreign policy. But one thing they all agree on, and that more and more Americans are agreeing on, is we should have a country that should be accepting and open to all different kinds of people. And then, given that foundation, our political process should haggle over things like fiscal policy and foreign policy.

Unfortunately, the current Republican Party has no such attitude. If you're not a white Christian heterosexual, you're automatically suspect. I think there are plenty in the Republican Party that don't actually feel that way but in order to get votes they remain silent in the face of the wing of the party that does actually feel that way. But over time that is going to be less and less viable.

So yeah, the Democrats are going to be vulnerable to losing some of it's constituencies to the Republicans over other political issues but not until the Republicans jettison its wing of people that want things go to back to how they were in the 1950s. In other words, the Democrats aren't going to lose a significant number of people to the Republicans until the Republicans jettison people like you.
Would you honestly prefer an atheist gay couple(married) of illegal immigrants to serve in the White House? Do you really think they could get a Democrat majority to elect them?
 

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Yes, and we displayed the results of that education 2014. We realized we had to return some leadership into Washington, DC.
Lol, That has nothing to do with the general election, ain't no districts drawn for that. But hey, who am I to do the math and figure out what the demographics portend, I can just read that in the WSJ or from George Wills column, those bastions of the out of touch elites.
 

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Unfortunately, the current Republican Party has no such attitude. If you're not a white Christian heterosexual, you're automatically suspect. I think there are plenty in the Republican Party that don't actually feel that way but in order to get votes they remain silent in the face of the wing of the party that does actually feel that way. But over time that is going to be less and less viable.

If that's what you see as the Republican message, and you are completely 100% objective, they have failed drastically. That certainly isn't my take as a former Republican voter. But then again, you're not objective, so carry on.
 

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Lol, That has nothing to do with the general election, ain't no districts drawn for that. But hey, who am I to do the math and figure out what the demographics portend, I can just read that in the WSJ or from George Wills column, those bastions of the out of touch elites.
Districts still make up states? Yes, I thought so. This AM the Gaz said WV Repub about 3X that of Dems. That follows report of 3 swing states favor Repubs - including Oh and Fla. Could that off year continue into General? That seems to be the suggestion.
 

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Would you honestly prefer an atheist gay couple(married) of illegal immigrants to serve in the White House? Do you really think they could get a Democrat majority to elect them?
I'd be interested to hear how you think illegal immigrants could get on the ballot, since the Constitution clearly states that only a "natural born citizen or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President" -- which lets Ted Cruz out if you want to follow the far right GOP originalist line.
 

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"President Joe Biden" scares the living daylights out of me. If you thought W was an imbecile...
 

op2

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If that's what you see as the Republican message, and you are completely 100% objective, they have failed drastically. That certainly isn't my take as a former Republican voter. But then again, you're not objective, so carry on.

I'm not saying that that is the Republican message per se but rather that a significant minority of the party is like that and it's tolerated because the alternative is losing those votes. But speculation about that aside, look at the numbers and ask yourself why the GOP loses so badly in most or all of the various categories outside of the white Chistian heterosexual group. Do all these various kinds of minority groups just happen to all agree with the Dems fiscal policy instead of that of the GOP?
 

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Joe Biden won several statewide elections in Delaware so he must be able to appeal to large numbers of people but I just don't see it. The guy comes off as incredibly cheesy to me. I can't imagine that guy being POTUS and being the main person in the news every single day.
 

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Districts still make up states? Yes, I thought so. This AM the Gaz said WV Repub about 3X that of Dems. That follows report of 3 swing states favor Repubs - including Oh and Fla. Could that off year continue into General? That seems to be the suggestion.
Bubble math! Hey, maybe it will work this time. Donald gonna finally wake up that silent majority that stays home for moderate republicans.
 

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Do all these various kinds of minority groups just happen to all agree with the Dems fiscal policy instead of that of the GOP?

Yes. People like free handouts, and the Democrats do that better than anyone.
 

op2

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Yes. People like free handouts, and the Democrats do that better than anyone.

That doesn't answer the question of why minority groups (and not just ethnic minorities) vote more Dem than GOP, unless of course you're saying that minority groups like free handouts more than do white Christian heterosexuals.
 

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I'd be interested to hear how you think illegal immigrants could get on the ballot, since the Constitution clearly states that only a "natural born citizen or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President" -- which lets Ted Cruz out if you want to follow the far right GOP originalist line.
Now you want that little thing enforced.
 

mneilmont

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I'm not saying that that is the Republican message per se but rather that a significant minority of the party is like that and it's tolerated because the alternative is losing those votes. But speculation about that aside, look at the numbers and ask yourself why the GOP loses so badly in most or all of the various categories outside of the white Chistian heterosexual group. Do all these various kinds of minority groups just happen to all agree with the Dems fiscal policy instead of that of the GOP?
Wow. I never actually considered that they were prejudiced against "white Christian heterosexuals". That is something to ponder. All Repubs have to do to win future elections is to become black, atheist, and gay? Now I understand why you think it will be such a long time before another Repub lives in the WH.
 

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Joe Biden won several statewide elections in Delaware so he must be able to appeal to large numbers of people but I just don't see it. The guy comes off as incredibly cheesy to me. I can't imagine that guy being POTUS and being the main person in the news every single day.
That is the reason the media would go ape **** supportive of him. That would probably assure them of surviving 4 more years.
 

mneilmont

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Bubble math! Hey, maybe it will work this time. Donald gonna finally wake up that silent majority that stays home for moderate republicans.
That is a good suggestion of why he is awakening the sleeping giant. You are probably correct.
 

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My crystal ball says Joe Biden would do better against Trump than Hillary would. Biden would stand and duke it out with Trump while Hillary would shrink down and play the victim. But I am not sure if Trump will be the nominee because I'm not sure if he will stick it out. If he does stay in all the way, he will be the nominee. If its Hillary against Trump, Trump wins. A Biden/Trump matchup could go either way with Biden having a slight edge at this time.
 

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My crystal ball says Joe Biden would do better against Trump than Hillary would. Biden would stand and duke it out with Trump while Hillary would shrink down and play the victim. But I am not sure if Trump will be the nominee because I'm not sure if he will stick it out. If he does stay in all the way, he will be the nominee. If its Hillary against Trump, Trump wins. A Biden/Trump matchup could go either way with Biden having a slight edge at this time.
I honestly think that you underestimate the fight in HC. She's no shrinking violet. I don't doubt for a second that she would stand toe-to-toe with Trump, and he'd spend all of his time after a debate whining about what she said. I think both of them have electablility issues, but Hillary isn't going to back down from a challenge, especially in a debate.
 

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My crystal ball says Joe Biden would do better against Trump than Hillary would. Biden would stand and duke it out with Trump while Hillary would shrink down and play the victim. But I am not sure if Trump will be the nominee because I'm not sure if he will stick it out. If he does stay in all the way, he will be the nominee. If its Hillary against Trump, Trump wins. A Biden/Trump matchup could go either way with Biden having a slight edge at this time.
I think your crystal ball needs a polish. Women and minorities would turn out for Hillary in bushels just to vote against Trump, in bigger numbers than voted for Obama in 2008. But if she and Trump are the "best" the parties have to offer then I say both should disband and let the election be decided by OT Board posters.
 

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That doesn't answer the question of why minority groups (and not just ethnic minorities) vote more Dem than GOP, unless of course you're saying that minority groups like free handouts more than do white Christian heterosexuals.

You can see it here. I think, in general, Republicans tend to want to do what's good for the country, whereas Democrats vote for what does best for themselves. I have seen it posted so many times here... "Your voting against your own self interest". Exceptions do include the super rich wanting to keep their tax rates low, etc. This is in general.
 

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You can see it here. I think, in general, Republicans tend to want to do what's good for the country, whereas Democrats vote for what does best for themselves. I have seen it posted so many times here... "Your voting against your own self interest". Exceptions do include the super rich wanting to keep their tax rates low, etc. This is in general.
I think that's your opinion and why you have likely voted for republicans more often in the past. I'm not discounting your opinion, but I would suggest that the majority of folks in public office think they are doing things that are in the best interests of the country. What exactly is good for the country is open to debate however, and, based on your comment, I can only assume that you think the GOP tends to be on the right side of that debate more often than not.
 

op2

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You can see it here. I think, in general, Republicans tend to want to do what's good for the country, whereas Democrats vote for what does best for themselves. I have seen it posted so many times here... "Your voting against your own self interest". Exceptions do include the super rich wanting to keep their tax rates low, etc. This is in general.

Are you really not seeing the implications of that? People that vote Democrat are voting to help themselves rather than the country. And people that are not white Christian heterosexuals tend to vote Democrat more than people that are white Christian heterosexuals. Isn't it clear that the implication is that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals are more selfish than white Christian heterosexuals?

I think you should consider the possibility that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals simply do not feel welcome in the Republican party, regardless of what policies they believe in, and so they go with the Democrats because that is the only mainstream alternative.
 

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I think you should consider the possibility that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals

It's funny where you mention race all over the place, and I have not yet mentioned it once, except in this sentence.
 

WVPATX

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It's funny where you mention race all over the place, and I have not yet mentioned it once, except in this sentence.

The huge issue that will split the Dems is socialism. Warren, Obama and Sanders are moving the party very far left. It will turn off capitalists and fiscal moderates. That will become far more important than social issues. Wall Street and Silicon Valley will never support a socialist economy.
 

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I think you should consider the possibility that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals simply do not feel welcome in the Republican party, regardless of what policies they believe in, and so they go with the Democrats because that is the only mainstream alternative.

Or it could simply be because the most vocal of the GOP are loons.