A couple of weeks ago we started to rotate Phil Turner in more and thus took some of Kodi's minutes. Kodi went to Stans and threatened to transfer if this continued and Stans called his bluff. He told him that was the way it was going to be and he could take it or leave it. Kodi didn't show up for practice two days and when he returned he was informed of his new comfortable seat on the bench. As of right now Kodi Augustus is good as gone.
The low down on Kodi Augustus
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A couple of weeks ago we started to rotate Phil Turner in more and thus took some of Kodi's minutes. Kodi went to Stans and threatened to transfer if this continued and Stans called his bluff. He told him that was the way it was going to be and he could take it or leave it. Kodi didn't show up for practice two days and when he returned he was informed of his new comfortable seat on the bench. As of right now Kodi Augustus is good as gone.
and I can believe it based on similar conversations that I've heard that Stans had with Hansbrough, Goodridge, and the Delks, Stansbury has lost his mind. I'm not at all saying that a head coach should bow down to the demands of his players, but you can't keep brushing them aside with this "take it or leave it" attitude. No matter how their careers end up, it's painfully obvious that most of the players are taking the "leave it" part of the deal and MSU will never consistently win again with key players constantly leaving.
It seems to have all started with Gary Ervin and I don't know if that whole situation left a sour taste in Stansbury's mouth or not, but it seems like he doesn't even try to work with players anymore. That is, unless your name is Jamont Gordon. In the last three years, Gary Ervin, Walter Sharpe, Jerrell Houston, Vernon Goodridge, Bernard Rimmer, Richard Delk, Reggie Delk, Ben Hansbrough, and now possibly Kodi Augustus. Seriously, WTF??? You could field a team that could win the SEC West this year with those transfers.
This is really the only thing that I have against Stansbury, but it's a serious problem. Something needs change.
It seems to have all started with Gary Ervin and I don't know if that whole situation left a sour taste in Stansbury's mouth or not, but it seems like he doesn't even try to work with players anymore. That is, unless your name is Jamont Gordon. In the last three years, Gary Ervin, Walter Sharpe, Jerrell Houston, Vernon Goodridge, Bernard Rimmer, Richard Delk, Reggie Delk, Ben Hansbrough, and now possibly Kodi Augustus. Seriously, WTF??? You could field a team that could win the SEC West this year with those transfers.
This is really the only thing that I have against Stansbury, but it's a serious problem. Something needs change.
This whole situation really chaps my ***. Year after year we have the possibity of being in the top 25 and we blow that chance because the people with experience @%*%%*# leave. What is wrong with the coaching staff here. They are they only coaching staff I know of in the SEC that has this big of a problem holding on to healthy, talented players that have a year or two or three of experience under theit belt. Kodi was going to be a huge part of their team.</p>
I think alot of it has to do with the players being huge pussies about sitting on the bench. The Gary Ervin situation was the first one I can think of. What is Stans doing so differently now than what he was doing before 2002?</p>
The only thing I can think of is to get rid of his ***. Im sick and tired of seeing so much talent go to waste and he DOES have talent. More talent than most SEC teams have. People didn't really start to notice this until the Delk situation. This really bothered me when these two guys left. HUGE LOSS</p>
I think alot of it has to do with the players being huge pussies about sitting on the bench. The Gary Ervin situation was the first one I can think of. What is Stans doing so differently now than what he was doing before 2002?</p>
The only thing I can think of is to get rid of his ***. Im sick and tired of seeing so much talent go to waste and he DOES have talent. More talent than most SEC teams have. People didn't really start to notice this until the Delk situation. This really bothered me when these two guys left. HUGE LOSS</p>
I know this has been beaten into the ground on this board. Stans has too much talent left on his team evey year to be losing every single game that even presents a challenge.
he has a lot of talent, and next season he would be 1 of 4 big men on the entire team. if we lose him, depth is gonna seriously seriously be short in the paint.Irondawg said:
he had a bad attitude last year on and off of the court. The same was true for Sharpe, Goodridge and half way true with Houston in years past.</p>
Stans promises these guys the world to get them here and when some/most of what he promised doesn't happen they bolt.</p>
Personally I don't have a problem with the way Stans has handled this particular situation up until now. Of all of the players mentioned in this thread Kodi may be the biggest ego of them all to deal with. Stans would have liked to deal with Gordon this way but with what he did on the court his hands were tied. Kodi wishes he had Jamonts game.</p>
Osby better pick it up in the classroom or we will be dealing with a similar situation with him also. Just go to class Ro!</p>
Stans promises these guys the world to get them here and when some/most of what he promised doesn't happen they bolt.</p>
Personally I don't have a problem with the way Stans has handled this particular situation up until now. Of all of the players mentioned in this thread Kodi may be the biggest ego of them all to deal with. Stans would have liked to deal with Gordon this way but with what he did on the court his hands were tied. Kodi wishes he had Jamonts game.</p>
Osby better pick it up in the classroom or we will be dealing with a similar situation with him also. Just go to class Ro!</p>
I understand the frustrations of players leaving and cannot offer an explanation for all who have left. Certainly none of us know exactly what goes on behind the scenes all the time. Most of us see them play the game and that is all. However, there are a few of the players I happen to know about. GE was a huge problem without a doubt.....Reg Delk was also a huge problem that eventually grew bigger when Richard took his brother's side. GE and Re D were very selfish and cared zero about the team. I also know about Vernon, but it would not be appropriate to talk about it...suffice it to say that most coaches with any sense would not have been happy with any of these situations, but they would have done exactly what Stans did. W Sharpe was a pure head case and Stans hoped to get him straight....Stans did everything humanly possible to save Sharpe....everything. Those who state Stans will not try and work with players just do not know. As for Hansbrough, Rimmer, Houston...I really do not know. The only one I wish I knew more about is Hansrough....I really hated seeing him transfer. As for Kodi...he is a very poor practice player and that in itself doesn't sit right with Stans; on top of that, IF Kodi issued an ultimatum then he should have been ready to follow through. I do not know of many coaches worth a dime who would tolerate a player making demands. What is the answer? I do not know, but I certainly do not think it is to fire Coach Stansbury. Perhaps we have recruited some personalities that we shouldn't have....hopefully, we learned a lesson in that. Sometimes a team can have too much talent and a coach's biggest challenge becomes keeping all of them happy. It is a difficult thing for sure. I am not a "support Stans no matter what happens" type person...I have wondered about his substitution patterns many times and feel that he could be more flexible with those substitutions as a game progresses. However, I feel he is a pretty dang good one to have on board and I am not in favor of looking elsewhere at this time.
that he got LR to transfer here. That saved Ricky's *** and is the only reason he still has the job today. Marcus Campbell was our only post game before Roberts came in. We were sunk even with our great guards...Roberts saved his *** in 2001 and 2002 or we would already have another coach in S'ville.
We will have more tranfers this offseason that will leave us with very little post game next season...Ricky-lovers better enjoy him now, he is out of here in the Spring of 2010
We will have more tranfers this offseason that will leave us with very little post game next season...Ricky-lovers better enjoy him now, he is out of here in the Spring of 2010
Do tell man.. You can't come on here and say something like that. Letting stuff like this out to the world is what sixpack is for.jbulldog said:
Goodridge smoked his body weight in opium while he was here. Maybe that has something to do with it.
I do not view LR coming to MSU as luck. It was the result of MSU doing a better job than others in recruiting him to State. For some reason though I feel as though I am wasting my time typing this. I do feel he deserves to be called by his proper name, but it is a free country for sure so have at it! </p>
We recruit these guys that seem to be very talented, but they also have huge egos. Then they pout when they don't play as much as they want to and practice hard.
I don't have a problem with him kicking guys off of the team for attitude problems, but I do have a problem with some of the personalities that he has brought in.
Back when we won the SEC, a lot of it was because we had great team chemistry- guys like Bowers, Frazier, Powers, Roberts, and Vincent. Now we've got a bunch of prima donnas that think that they're the next big thing.
I don't have a problem with him kicking guys off of the team for attitude problems, but I do have a problem with some of the personalities that he has brought in.
Back when we won the SEC, a lot of it was because we had great team chemistry- guys like Bowers, Frazier, Powers, Roberts, and Vincent. Now we've got a bunch of prima donnas that think that they're the next big thing.
....."As the Bulldog Basketball Program Turns."
We have this sort of thing happen virtually every year in Stans' program. I'm not one of the Stans haters wanting him to be fired constantly, but honestly I'm starting to get sick of this type of crap. It may get to the point soon where we do have to make a change.
We have this sort of thing happen virtually every year in Stans' program. I'm not one of the Stans haters wanting him to be fired constantly, but honestly I'm starting to get sick of this type of crap. It may get to the point soon where we do have to make a change.
HD6 said:
around the time we lost Travis Outlaw? If so, you could certainly argue that being "lucky" and getting Roberts was cancelled out by losing Outlaw.
Man, we would have had a guy like Vincent coming off of the bench.
but what is it that seems to attract Stans to so many headcases? Sometimes a coach just can't get through to a kid and I can understand that, but I think fans let Stansbury off the hook way to easily by labeling all these kids as uncoachable headcases. I will give him the benefit of the doubt with Sharpe because I think he absolutely did all he could do with him, but I just don't know about the rest. Eight key scholarship transfers in four years seems to have a lot more to the story than kids with attitude problems.
Coach34 said:
I'd say someone on our football team shoots someone fairly often. The baseball players are smart enough to get away with it. (Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap)
Rick did a good job recruiting him, but it was very unusual circumstances and extreme luck that he was immediately eligible and available to transfer.
Kind of like Croom's 2 best recruits: Jamar Chaney and Mike Brown.
Kind of like Croom's 2 best recruits: Jamar Chaney and Mike Brown.
Credit Stans for getting a player to come who is just going to bite us in the *** and leave? I have never wanted Stans gone but it has come to the point where if this happens again this year, it's time to go. We need a Coach who can keep these guys here. All other SEC schools can keep their guys. Why can't we?
And don't give me this "well we just have too much talent" ********. Duke and NC have " too much talent" and you don't see alot of their guys leaving every year to get more playing time at Troy State.
I can't believe people are defending Stans when this is CLEARLY all his fault.
And don't give me this "well we just have too much talent" ********. Duke and NC have " too much talent" and you don't see alot of their guys leaving every year to get more playing time at Troy State.
I can't believe people are defending Stans when this is CLEARLY all his fault.
Yes, but Ole Miss was very lucky to get Snead because you were screwed without him. Just like we were screwed without L. Roberts. Obviously, it was poor planning or poor recruiting or both that led to these major voids. O and Stans did a great job once the players became available, but they were both lucky that they actually did become available.
Unlike, for example, USC getting Mitch Mustain. It was a nice transfer but USC had other options. They didn't have to rely on a miracle transfer.
Unlike, for example, USC getting Mitch Mustain. It was a nice transfer but USC had other options. They didn't have to rely on a miracle transfer.
yeah, it was when we lost Outlaw to the draft. it was also when we were supposed to get some talented Polish post player, but he decided to stay overseas.Todd4State said:
so Roberts' situation and MSU's situation meshed. We were in desperate need of a post player, any post player much less a total stud, and Roberts was in need of a stable team that was talented and needed his services right away.
it would have been dumb of him to go to a talented school that was already loaded in the post and didnt need him. so he became the missing piece of the MSU puzzle since Outlaw and that Polish guy ditched us.
You guys amaze me. Kodi has played like **** all year and looks like a lost ostrich on the court. I know he has some talent but he also hasn't responded. If he can't do it, then so what. All the others whom have left were no big deal unless Hansborough turns out. Delk plays a few minutes for the Ville and I wouldn't say he is a star. His twin is worse. Coaches play the players who work the hardest and perform. Kodi was not performing. He must not get it.
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i am pretty sure that state isn't the only sec school to have players transfer every year. hell jai lucas just announced he's leaving uf this past fall. i hardly doubt anyone with any sense has ever claimed state has had too much talent. i mean when's the last time we've had someone in the nba that played considerably? dampier?
Because I freakin love your Templeton rants. I seriously love to see you spell that **** out plainly.
But Kodi has played well at times this year. He has had a few big games where he as a serious scoring threat. WE LACK SCORING OPTIONS. Hence, it is difficult to watch him sit his *** on the bench. I know you are buddies with Coach Stans, but him playing favorites with the players will be his downfall. That is why some players transfer. Some players transfer because they are idiots or drug addicts, but the Hans and Delk deals I am convinced are largely due to Stans allowing Jamont to run wild. You could see it on their faces. Jamont shoots poop from three and instead of designing a play for them like a double screen to get Hans open for a shot at the top of the key for the game winner, Oh, lets just let Jamont "create" and shoot one from 8 feet behind the arc. That **** happened. I don't know if Stans called for the double screen to free Hans for a shot and Jamont disobeyed? maybe Stans said, "Jamont, it is your deal, make it happen!" But the reality is Stans can't deal with the dynamics of his team's personalities. He couldn't control Ervin, so Ervin had to go. He couldn't control Jamoney so the Twins and Hans had to go.....it really is painful to watch the talent cycle through. Damn Rick, handle your business. Sit at the head of the table.
Kodi has the talent to play. I suspect Turner will get his little @ss whooped playing 4. Watch it unfold. He should be playing 2 and Randy should ride the pine.
But Kodi has played well at times this year. He has had a few big games where he as a serious scoring threat. WE LACK SCORING OPTIONS. Hence, it is difficult to watch him sit his *** on the bench. I know you are buddies with Coach Stans, but him playing favorites with the players will be his downfall. That is why some players transfer. Some players transfer because they are idiots or drug addicts, but the Hans and Delk deals I am convinced are largely due to Stans allowing Jamont to run wild. You could see it on their faces. Jamont shoots poop from three and instead of designing a play for them like a double screen to get Hans open for a shot at the top of the key for the game winner, Oh, lets just let Jamont "create" and shoot one from 8 feet behind the arc. That **** happened. I don't know if Stans called for the double screen to free Hans for a shot and Jamont disobeyed? maybe Stans said, "Jamont, it is your deal, make it happen!" But the reality is Stans can't deal with the dynamics of his team's personalities. He couldn't control Ervin, so Ervin had to go. He couldn't control Jamoney so the Twins and Hans had to go.....it really is painful to watch the talent cycle through. Damn Rick, handle your business. Sit at the head of the table.
Kodi has the talent to play. I suspect Turner will get his little @ss whooped playing 4. Watch it unfold. He should be playing 2 and Randy should ride the pine.
Now, maybe one of the Delks could help us, but where are you going to play him? I will agree with you that Stewart has underperformed and i do agree with you about Turner, but I don't see the favorite deals you are ranting about. Jamont, whether you liked him or not was a hell of a player and coaches see players every day and we don't. Bost and Twanny are still learning and Ravern has his moments but Osby still has a ways to go and Brian Johnson being hurt is not Stans fault. Kodi is clueless on defense and while he might score some, he also might give up as many. I really like the kid but I am sure that is why he is sitting and you folks have short memories, Rhodes had to sit some too to get the message and he ended up doing pretty good. Coach 34 has brainwashed you folks. We aren't going to get anybody much better and while I hate to see players leave, sometimes it is their choice and not the coaches. Stans will do okay and right now, until Cohen or Mullen step up, he is the best coach on the MSU campus.
He is my favorite coach too. He has done really well while the other coaches have effectively sucked. I always look forward to basketball and I have him to thank for the expectations and talent. I just want him to be able to tweak the lineup and adjust our offense. If he can't do that then he needs to hire someone who can and relinquish a portion of control (dont' know if that is possible.....kind of like Croom and the offense saga).
To suggest Stans be fired, this year or next, is absurd. Someone did a good job of discussing other coaching options....really there were no proven winners that would come here to coach. I think comparing it to the Tuberville situation is correct.
I don't recall either Dontae Jones or Rhodes "getting it" defensively. They were scorers and the rest of their game fell into place once they got into their groove. Both of them were more coordinated than Kodi is.
I think Coach Stans kicks Kodi's *** all over the court (during games/timeouts when it is embarassing). Maybe this is deserved? Maybe there are other ways to reach/coach him, maybe not. But Augustus sure hasn't responded well to that kind of coaching.
Kodi in a zone would be just as effective as Turner I suspect, probably better. I think Turner is in @ 4 because Varnado is filling the role of "The one big guy to whom we throw the ball to score each time down the court." Offensive boards, in this lineup are going to be rare, defensive boards too. Recall Coach Knights comments from the other night. Maybe Kodi is lost on offense too or just stands around? I am not a coach and don't know the correct terminology to describe how the 4 should back cut or break to the basket once we feed it Varnado? or reverse from one side of the court to the other side as passes go around the top of the key..........I am babbling and making that **** up, but I know someone should be able to explain what is wrong with our offense when Augustus or Osby come in at power forward. We suck offensively then, that is a fact. Opposing defenses collapse in the lane and we have trouble scoring.
I hope we have a phase of games that Bost gets his shot or Beckham steps up at the point. We always look a lot better when the shots fall.
To suggest Stans be fired, this year or next, is absurd. Someone did a good job of discussing other coaching options....really there were no proven winners that would come here to coach. I think comparing it to the Tuberville situation is correct.
I don't recall either Dontae Jones or Rhodes "getting it" defensively. They were scorers and the rest of their game fell into place once they got into their groove. Both of them were more coordinated than Kodi is.
I think Coach Stans kicks Kodi's *** all over the court (during games/timeouts when it is embarassing). Maybe this is deserved? Maybe there are other ways to reach/coach him, maybe not. But Augustus sure hasn't responded well to that kind of coaching.
Kodi in a zone would be just as effective as Turner I suspect, probably better. I think Turner is in @ 4 because Varnado is filling the role of "The one big guy to whom we throw the ball to score each time down the court." Offensive boards, in this lineup are going to be rare, defensive boards too. Recall Coach Knights comments from the other night. Maybe Kodi is lost on offense too or just stands around? I am not a coach and don't know the correct terminology to describe how the 4 should back cut or break to the basket once we feed it Varnado? or reverse from one side of the court to the other side as passes go around the top of the key..........I am babbling and making that **** up, but I know someone should be able to explain what is wrong with our offense when Augustus or Osby come in at power forward. We suck offensively then, that is a fact. Opposing defenses collapse in the lane and we have trouble scoring.
I hope we have a phase of games that Bost gets his shot or Beckham steps up at the point. We always look a lot better when the shots fall.
drug addicts? still never saw or heard anything about that of actual substance...SallyStansbury said:
walter missed a few pratices and missed the plane for an away game, but uab took attention to it and diagnosed him with narcolepsy, no matter what 9 players transfer in 3 years does seem a little odd