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One could argue that Trump's words are strong. We have yet to hear any real policy. This despite the fact that he has words, he has the best words.
Pretty damn well, thanks for asking. You really enjoy making yourself look like a fool.
The problem with Trump's "strong" words is that they are giving legitimacy to the thought that this is a war about religion. To them it is, and he just makes it look like to us it is as well. I honestly think that with his anti-Muslim rhetoric that would should expect to see more efforts by them to make an attack in the US.
Pretty damn well, thanks for asking. You really enjoy making yourself look like a fool.
So, then he's got this terror thing under control?
You're welcome to look back through this entire thread and quote where I said that. In fact, I recommend you hold your breath until we elect a President that controls terrorism throughout the entire world.
But if you want to have an intelligent conversation, I would say that taking out numerous key leaders is being effective. I would also say that singling out Jihad Johnny and taking him out is a pretty impressive task in and of itself. It was like playing a game of hide and seek, one person free to roam around the entire world and guess what. We found him.
USA Today: The Quran's deadly role in inspiring Belgian slaughter: Column
So what you're telling me is that even though it is about religion, we're trying to tell the 90% of Muslims that don't read the Quran that it isn't about religion.
Their footprint is getting smaller, funding sources are being reduced with a minimum of U.S. soldiers' lives lost. It's a balancing act, put more U.S. boots on the ground there and you'll probably make more rapid progress but you'll likely lose more American lives.
Not exactly how I meant it.
To us, it is not about Christian vs. Muslim or Sunni vs. Shiite. To us, they are a terrorist organization and that is the motivation for us to battle them. For THEM, it is all about religion and they want to paint it as if we are out to get them because of their religion, not their actions. That's how they justify their actions.
It's not, though. They justify them because they're doing exactly what the Quran tells them to, regardless of what snowjob people tell us.
Can you cite/quote specific places in the Quran where it says to kill the non-Muslim?
I can certainly show you plenty of places in the Bible where it says to stone people to death.
Slippery slope.
Just because we refuse to call it what it is, doesn't make it any less true. I understand the rationale, as we are trying to keep from inflaming the rest of the peaceful Muslim world, but let's not make the mistake of thinking that if we ignore it that it will go away. Not saying that is our strategy, but at some point we have to call it what it is.
You serious Clark?
It absolutely says that in both books. However, by in large, the Christian society doesn't condone that part of their religion and condemns it when it occurs. This strawman has always bugged me. They are in fact following the teachings of the Quran in the literal sense. Hence the extremist label. There just happens to be a **** load of extremist Muslims comparatively speaking to extremist Christians.
Yes imo but ask DD, he has the intel. Do you have a specific question about Brussels that isn't covered in the news media?
Unfortunately since the 1960s the national media destroys the republican candidate when details of their plans are put out there for the media to dissect and distort. Trump is playing his cards close to vest and assembling a strong team. Shrewd.
I wasn't saying the Quran didn't say that, I wanted someone to cite it.
Does the Quran tell the Shiites to kill the Sunnis? or Serfs?
Actually they weren't open ended, and it was for specific sins, not just being an unbeliever. For that time and place, it was commanded(Israelites prior to Jesus), it is true. Those commands in Leviticus no longer apply.
That is not true for the commands in the Quran. The Quran states over 70 times in open ended commands to kill, maim, rape the unbeliever.
The most famous is the sword verse. Convert or die:
Surah 9:1-8
9:1 A declaration of immunity from God and His apostle to the idolaters with whom you have made agreements:
9:2 For four months you shall go unmolested in the land. But know that you shall not escape God’s judgement, and that God will humble the unbelievers.
9:3 A proclamation to the people from God and His apostle on the day of the greater pilgrimage:
God and His apostle are under no obligation to the idolaters. If you repent, it shall be well with you; but if you give no heed, know that you shall not be immune from God’s judgement.
Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers,
9:4 except to those idolaters who have honoured their treaties with you in every detail and aided none against you. With these keep faith, until their treaties have run their term. God loves the righteous.
9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.
9:6 If an idolater seeks asylum with you, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God, and then convey him to safety. For the idolaters are ignorant men.
9:7 God and His apostle repose no trust in idolaters, save those with whom you have made treaties at the Sacred Mosque. So long as they keep faith with you, keep faith with them. God loves the righteous.
9:8 How can you trust them? If they prevail against you they will respect neither agreements nor ties of kindred. They flatter you with their tongues, but their hearts reject you. Most of them are evil doers.
So you think they aren't trying now? Seems like I remember the first Towers bombing, the cole and then 9/11. Gosh, one would think, from what you said, that it only started after we started talking about somebody hijacking a great religion.
That's what I said ... or what I meant to convey anyway. Clearly I could have done better with it.
Of course they are trying (a big part of my tasking is to make sure they don't succeed, so I understand what's going on).
I don't know how you got from A to B with what I said. Was it ISIS that bombed the towers? Was it ISIS that attacked the Cole? Was it ISIS that carried out the 9/11 attacks?
They recruit by convincing people we want to wipe out Islam. Having a bunch of anti-Muslim rhetoric from our leaders or potential leaders just makes that easier and lends more credence to what they are saying.
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With that said, I agree with Whitetail on this one but not to the point of refusing to call it Muslim Extremism.
With that said, I agree with Whitetail on this one but not to the point of refusing to call it Muslim Extremism.
I don't refuse to call it Muslim Extremism, nor do I object to that term being used by leadership.
What I object to is just saying Muslim ...
Apparently I'm stating my position poorly in this thread. (for anybody that reads that as snarky, that's not my intent, I just need to do better)
(there is no situation in which a quote from the Big Lebowski can't be used
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I wasn't implying you regarding what to refer to it as.I don't refuse to call it Muslim Extremism, nor do I object to that term being used by leadership.
What I object to is just saying Muslim ...
Apparently I'm stating my position poorly in this thread. (for anybody that reads that as snarky, that's not my intent, I just need to do better)
(there is no situation in which a quote from the Big Lebowski can't be used