The most divisive subject facing this country Daylight Savings Time

[57stratdawg]

I don’t know anyone that likes Standard time. No one likes getting off work at 5:30 and it’s pitch black dark.

A lot of times when people complain “I hate daily savings time” - they don’t like the switch back to Standard Time even though they said the direct opposite.

 

[HailStout]

Ok so who hacked my phone and got that picture of me?**

I for one welcome our new farmer overlords

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

I had a friend that work at a resort in MT one summer. That ******* got back to State in Fall and smoked me on the golf course for 3 straight months because he was able to play at least 18 every day after work when he wasn’t trout fishing.

But the courses round here close from October 15th to Memorial Day. We're starting our 2nd 5 week league on the Sim this week... But simulator golf is cool, we play 9 holes in less than an hour, every lie is perfect, your always within 25' of a full bar, and there's no putting. It's honestly how golf should be played the more I think about it.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Then why not have school start later during that time? If it's running like 8 to 3 now, make it 9 to 4, starting an hour later. I don't have a kid aged for school anymore, but I would like to also look at a year school with less time for the school day.

Tom - "Bob, I am going to be an hour late to work for the next few months because school is pushing back an hour due to it being dark until 9 am."

Bob -"17 you Tom, you're fired."
Bob - "Someone go down to Home Depot and pick up a replacement for Tom."

 

[mcdawg22]

But the courses round here close from October 15th to Memorial Day. We're starting our 2nd 5 week league on the Sim this week... But simulator golf is cool, we play 9 holes in less than an hour, every lie is perfect, your always within 25' of a full bar, and there's no putting. It's honestly how golf should be played the more I think about it.

That does sound fantastic. My only issue is putting is an equalizer for me.

As far as what will we do with the extra hour? Not all of us live in a frozen hellscape.

 

[johnson86-1]

Not necessarily. I like playing with my kids in the evening when we don’t have late days but you stick to the stereotype if you want.

And overalls with a beat up straw hat and a pitchfork

My stereotype of farmers is that they mainly sit in their office and cash government checks while their workers manage their fields. Sometimes those workers grow things, sometimes they just push dirt around because that’s required to get a government check. They hunt all winter but during growing season, they are at the office the half of the summer they aren’t traveling.

 

[DawgInThe256]

It's fine the way it is but I'd be OK with extending Daylight Savings time a few more weeks.

I think a lot of people who complain about the time change are really just mad about the days getting shorter. There's only so much changing the time can do.

 

[johnson86-1]

It takes a little getting used to it being dark in the morning. Not just the safety, but more so the productivity. Construction projects are a lot easier in the light for instance.

Sunrise was 8:20 am this morning here. I was at my place at 7:00 am shoveling snow and receiving freight for the weekend. The Coca-Cola dude came in my service entrance wearing a headlamp that would melt the sun in a staring contest. One of my beer guys got there at 7:45 and was wheeling kegs in the dark no problem. But we are used to it.

But in lots of areas, that's going to be a big change. I have a feeling it's going to create issues. Morning traffic sucks already, add in darkness and it multiplies the wrecks in places like Dallas and Atlanta. I bet stuff that opens/starts at 8:00 starts getting pushed back to 8:30 or 9:00 in some cases and effectively negates the benefit of more sunlight in the evening since you work until 6.

Also curious? What's everyone going to do with an extra hour of day light n the evening in November-February? I always hated the wet, gray, muddy winters in Dallas.

When they are not dumb enough to live somewhere cold, November and December it’s nice, and January and February only about half the days are above 60, so they only get to enjoy those times.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

My stereotype of farmers is that they mainly sit in their office and cash government checks while their workers manage their fields. Sometimes those workers grow things, sometimes they just push dirt around because that’s required to get a government check. They hunt all winter but during growing season, they are at the office the half of the summer they aren’t traveling.

There’s plenty of those out there. We call them “planters”.

 

[atomic dawg]

I recently returned from a trip to Hawaii. They don't do DST on the islands. Maybe that's why so many people consider the Hawaiian Islands paradise.

Hawaii is practically on the equator. DST would do little to impact their daylight hours.

 

[Dawgbite]

And overalls with a beat up straw hat and a pitchfork

Don’t knock overalls until you’ve walked a mile in a pair. Most comfortable britches ever, the boys have plenty of room to wander!

 

[Dawgbite]

Ok so who hacked my phone and got that picture of me?**

We’ve long suspected that your wife was a regular poster on here.

 

[thatsbaseball]

There’s plenty of those out there. We call them “planters”.

LOL Not as many as there used to be .

 

[atomic dawg]

Im fine with leaving it as it is or going to permanent DST. The only people who like standard time year round are retirees, people who make their on schedules, lazy people and vampires. The rest of the country rises and sets, in some way or another, according to the time clock, not the rising and setting of the sun.

Im pretty amiable about most things... but if they want to radicalize me, come for my evening daylight! They can pry it from my cold dead hands!

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Isn't it ultimately up to the States, anyway? I haven't seen the current legislation, but unless Congress is claiming some type of preemptive power based on interstate commerce or something, the individual states can just recognize whatever time standard they want.

Of course, most of them just pass the buck to Congress and go along. But they don't have to.

I know the last legislation I saw on this specifically exempted AZ from DST. AZ doesn't ho on DST now (probably because they have too much daylight as it is**). So even though they are in the Mountain time zone, most of the year their clocks align with the Pacific Time Zone (MST = PDT). So under this legislation, AZ would permanently be on Pacific Time, although they would probably call it Mountain time.

And another thing, if we permanently move to DST, is there any need to continue calling it Daylight Savings Time? Isn't it just Time, then?

 

[mstateglfr]

Then why not have school start later during that time? If it's running like 8 to 3 now, make it 9 to 4, starting an hour later. I don't have a kid aged for school anymore, but I would like to also look at a year school with less time for the school day.

Changing school times mid-year wouldnt just throw a wrench in the schedules of countless families, it would throw a damn nuke in the schedule.
- Parents who drop their kid off on the way to work will now have to start work later, or pay for before school care.
- Parents who pick their kid up after school will also want to adjust their work hours.
- After school activities(sports, clubs, etc) would be impacted.
- Family schedules with child activities(sports, clubs, etc) after school would be impacted.

And making school year round has serious cost considerations that need to be overcome.
- Shorter school day means a parent needs to either be available sooner, which may require them to take a different job/role.
- Shorter school day means many parents will need to pay for after school care until they can finish work(when they were picking their kid up before), costing money.
- Year round school often has multiple extended breaks(2 weeks at a time or so) where school is closed and these frequently dont line up with typical community childcare options like YMCA Day Camp, Park District Camps, etc. So parents need to stay home from work, or parents need to pay for short term care, or kids are largely unsupervised(not exactly the worst thing, possibly, since there is too much supervision in general).


Year round school does sound cool, but the logistics can be brutal.

 

[Dawgbite]

Im fine with leaving it as it is or going to permanent DST. The only people who like standard time year round are retirees, people who make their on schedules, lazy people and vampires. The rest of the country rises and sets, in some way or another, according to the time clock, not the rising and setting of the sun.

Im pretty amiable about most things... but if they want to radicalize me, come for my evening daylight! They can pry it from my cold dead hands!

Best piece of advice I got upon retirement was that every night is Friday night and every day is Saturday. Pretty astute observation.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Changing school times mid-year wouldnt just throw a wrench in the schedules of countless families, it would throw a damn nuke in the schedule.
- Parents who drop their kid off on the way to work will now have to start work later, or pay for before school care.
- Parents who pick their kid up after school will also want to adjust their work hours.
- After school activities(sports, clubs, etc) would be impacted.
- Family schedules with child activities(sports, clubs, etc) after school would be impacted.

And making school year round has serious cost considerations that need to be overcome.
- Shorter school day means a parent needs to either be available sooner, which may require them to take a different job/role.
- Shorter school day means many parents will need to pay for after school care until they can finish work(when they were picking their kid up before), costing money.
- Year round school often has multiple extended breaks(2 weeks at a time or so) where school is closed and these frequently dont line up with typical community childcare options like YMCA Day Camp, Park District Camps, etc. So parents need to stay home from work, or parents need to pay for short term care, or kids are largely unsupervised(not exactly the worst thing, possibly, since there is too much supervision in general).


Year round school does sound cool, but the logistics can be brutal.

There’s more and more school districts here going to year round school.

 

[atomic dawg]

Changing school times mid-year wouldnt just throw a wrench in the schedules of countless families, it would throw a damn nuke in the schedule.
- Parents who drop their kid off on the way to work will now have to start work later, or pay for before school care.
- Parents who pick their kid up after school will also want to adjust their work hours.
- After school activities(sports, clubs, etc) would be impacted.
- Family schedules with child activities(sports, clubs, etc) after school would be impacted.

And making school year round has serious cost considerations that need to be overcome.
- Shorter school day means a parent needs to either be available sooner, which may require them to take a different job/role.
- Shorter school day means many parents will need to pay for after school care until they can finish work(when they were picking their kid up before), costing money.
- Year round school often has multiple extended breaks(2 weeks at a time or so) where school is closed and these frequently dont line up with typical community childcare options like YMCA Day Camp, Park District Camps, etc. So parents need to stay home from work, or parents need to pay for short term care, or kids are largely unsupervised(not exactly the worst thing, possibly, since there is too much supervision in general).


Year round school does sound cool, but the logistics can be brutal.

I know a teacher in the Oktibbeha/Starkville school district that told me when they had their first 2 week fall break after switching to the year round schedule, there were numerous parents that showed up at the school trying to drop off their children. They said they didnt have anywhere for them to go. Despite giving people plenty of time to plan there are so many families that just rely on the school system for childcare.

 

[dorndawg]

Ok so who hacked my phone and got that picture of me?**

 

[Badon]

I’ve grown to embrace the time changes. Both of them. More daylight as the weather is blossoming in the spring is awesome of course. What I’ve grown to love is the fall time change when it gets dark early… able to shut the day down earlier, go to bed earlier (#goals), and get more rest.

 

[mcdawg22]

Hawaii is practically on the equator. DST would do little to impact their daylight hours.

 

[mstateglfr]

There’s more and more school districts here going to year round school.

Yeah, it can be a really great option...the potential issues it creates just have to be planned for.
Same goes for 4 day school weeks- its great for hiring staff as an incentive, but it creates logistical issues for families that have to be planned for.

 

[ronpolk]

My stereotype of farmers is that they mainly sit in their office and cash government checks while their workers manage their fields. Sometimes those workers grow things, sometimes they just push dirt around because that’s required to get a government check. They hunt all winter but during growing season, they are at the office the half of the summer they aren’t traveling.

I’m sure there is way more to farming than I know but I lease hunting land from a farmer and I’ve often wondered what he does most of the year. It sure seems like he works about 2 or 3 weeks out of the year.

I do have some family that have cattle… that seems like a year round pain in the *** only to have beef prices low when you have a bunch of calves ready to sell.

 

[idog]

Gulfport has had a modified (“year round”) school year for four years. It’s not a big deal and everyone enjoys it.

The statistics show if it’s dark when people get off work they go home, and if it’s light they run errands/shop more. Thus DST is better for the economy. A plan for permanent ST is dumb.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I’m sure there is way more to farming than I know but I lease hunting land from a farmer and I’ve often wondered what he does most of the year. It sure seems like he works about 2 or 3 weeks out of the year.

I do have some family that have cattle… that seems like a year round pain in the *** only to have beef prices low when you have a bunch of calves ready to sell.

It depends on how many acres you farm and what type of farmland it is and what you’re growing. Some guys can get done pretty quickly with planting and harvest while others take a while. We stay really busy from mid March to the end of November with a little lull around the first half of August. December is pretty slack for us. January and February are shop work and shipping out rice and soybeans from the bins.

We used to have alot more free time when I was younger and we fished and played golf when we had time in the summer. I haven’t touched my clubs in almost 15 years. Once everyone started leveling land and irrigating everything, your free time went away in the summer.

Having livestock is a whole other ballgame. It’s nearly every day all year long.

 

[L4Dawg]

I assume most of y’all are too young to remember when we tried daylight savings time only under Jimmy Carter. It was HATED In the winter.
It was supposed to be a two year thing but it was repealed a year early because it was so disliked. I hated it as a school kid. Going to school in the dark in the morning sucked.

 

[cowbell88]

Says the guy who probably ain't a farmer...

I hate when my phone switches to incognito mode, without me knowing.

Says the guy who probably ain't a farmer...

you right. I’m not a farmer, but I’m deeply involved in agriculture. I used to be a Commercial Applicator, so I know a few things about being on the road before daylight and getting home well after dark.

 

[maroonmadman]

Hawaii is practically on the equator. DST would do little to impact their daylight hours.

Hawaii is 1480 miles north of the equator and there is a little difference between sunset in the winter - as early as 5:45 PM - or summer - around 7:15 PM so, yeah, DST wouldn't make too much of a difference. They don't do it because it's a pain in the azz.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

I assume most of y’all are too young to remember when we tried daylight savings time only under Jimmy Carter. It was HATED In the winter.
It was supposed to be a two year thing but it was repealed a year early because it was so disliked. I hated it as a school kid. Going to school in the dark in the morning sucked.

Not to get political or anything, but it was in 1974, under Nixon. It was supposed to be an energy saving measure.

Nixon resigned, Ford took office, and Ford ended the permanent DST experiment in Fall, 1974. The net effect was DST started early in 1974, but then we went back to the regular schedule.

I didn't even notice. I was in 4th grade and my mom drove me to school.

 

[mcdawg22]

Not to get political or anything, but it was in 1974, under Nixon. It was supposed to be an energy saving measure.

Nixon resigned, Ford took office, and Ford ended the permanent DST experiment in Fall, 1974. The net effect was DST started early in 1974, but then we went back to the regular schedule.

I didn't even notice. I was in 4th grade and my mom drove me to school.

You didn’t notice it was dark when Good Times came on?

 

[HailStout]

You didn’t notice it was dark when Good Times came on?

 

[mcdawg22]

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I would never besmirch Florida Evans.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Seems this was sold in our legislature originally, so the people and school kids would not have to go to work, etc.
in the dark, which was correct. & Having longer days in the Summer is a benefit.

I'm ok either way.

 

[garddog]

Best thing would be to just make standard time December and January. Those are the two months with the shortest days. Doesn't make much difference in Nov and Feb.

 

[Dawgbite]

I grew up on a smaller beef cattle farm. Our next door neighbors were dairy farmers. The difference is huge. The dedication of dairy farmers and the amount of work involved is unbelievable. That’s why there isn’t many dairy farmers left in this state. There are no days off.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

When they are not dumb enough to live somewhere cold, November and December it’s nice, and January and February only about half the days are above 60, so they only get to enjoy those times.

Sorry for not the delay. I'm enjoying a Mountain Time after a couple hours of night skiing. And now I'm sitting here on the porch of the lodge waiting on the kids to wrap up for the night.

I spend way more time outside here than I did in the south in the winter. Not sure if that was because of the darkness or lack of winter activities. Seriously, what outdoor activities are happening in the winter? If you're near the coast the golf is pretty good good I guess, but it it was always lift clean and place muddy shìt in DFW this time of year.

 

[mcdawg22]

Sorry for not the delay. I'm enjoying a Mountain Time after a couple hours of night skiing. And now I'm sitting here on the porch of the lodge waiting on the kids to wrap up for the night.
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I spend way more time outside here than I did in the south in the winter. Not sure if that was because of the darkness or lack of winter activities. Seriously, what outdoor activities are happening in the winter? If you're near the coast the golf is pretty good good I guess, but it it was always lift clean and place muddy shìt in DFW this time of year.

That looks fun as ****. I’d turn into an instant 10 year old in that weather. The nice thing about Gulf Breeze is the whole damn peninsula is sand 4 feet down. Golf courses dry up insanely fast here. I 17’ing hate wet soggy golf. Especially when it’s cold (less than 65} because the bottom of your slacks are a wet mess.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

That does sound fantastic. My only issue is putting is an equalizer for me.

As far as what will we do with the extra hour? Not all of us live in a frozen hellscape.

Hey honey, let's go to the redneck riveria this January... I hear it's nice this time of year.***

We can debate the beach vs mountains in the summer, but their ain't no debating where everyone wants to be in the winter.

Best Ski towns In the US

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

That looks fun as ****. I’d turn into an instant 10 year old in that weather. The nice thing about Gulf Breeze is the whole damn peninsula is sand 4 feet down. Golf courses dry up insanely fast here. I 17’ing hate wet soggy golf. Especially when it’s cold (less than 65} because the bottom of your slacks are a wet mess.

With this SBW Easter potential catastrophe, I may just have to fly down to Pensacola for some April/May golf. Cause this place sucks in those months but beach golf is prime I bet.