The MSU math instructor email that has gone viral nationally
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Well, it is a good lesson on you adapting to the world, the world doesn't adapt to you. I've certainly gotten worse letters and emails from my past clients and employers. If anything, maybe the student learned a lesson.
I am a cuck because I like when a person clarifies if they are a man or woman in their email signature, when their name doesnt make it clear?
Um...odd term to use and odd thing to be upset over, but ok then.
I colleague that I respect very much gave me a great piece of advice for business transactions: If the estimate/quote has a bible verse or religious quotation on it, run. If there is one on the invoice, you are too late, and probably overpaid.
valid points. So you are saying in the really old days the head of the household would definitely jump on the professors azz since he needed the kid to plow the field.
And those17-21 year olds manning the B-17s, B-24s over Germany along with coming off the landing craft at Anzio, Normandy, Tarawa, Saipan, Peleliu, Iwo Jima, etc got "adulted" too soon......
I am not a professor. If I were, I cannot imagine taking roll at a 4 year university. You are not children. I am not telling your parents if you don't show up. Show up and learn the material or don't and fail the course. Doesn't make any difference to me.
In my very unqaulified opinion - the tone seems like there's a sort of satisfaction from her being in a position of power and only focusing on what she would do in that situation and punishing others for not thinking just like her. Which shows, at the least, a lack of empathy. You don't know what other people are dealing with, what 'choices' they have, and starting from a "They're only trying to use a crisis as a means to miss my class" or some other anecdotal fallacy is an immature and self centered egotistical way to think. The mutual exclusivity of prioritizing policy over well-being is also dumb as I've seen this play out in the corporate world and the return on investment is almost always 0.
The chefs kiss is it's so comically antithetic to the bible verse she's got in quotations below. No, she shouldn't be fired BUT hopefully her manager will show her some empathy, and coach her on emtional intelligence and self awareness and she'll come away better for it as every mistake is a learning opportunity. Seems like these days the world could do with a little more empathy.
The chefs kiss is it's so comically antithetic to the bible verse she's got in quotations below. No, she shouldn't be fired BUT hopefully her manager will show her some empathy, and coach her on emtional intelligence and self awareness and she'll come away better for it as every mistake is a learning opportunity. Seems like these days the world could do with a little more empathy.
Taking roll is mandated by the federal government to review students receiving financial aid.
You have to submit reports that students did or did not attend classes, and students who don’t attend classes will be contacted by university officials.
Yeah there a bunch of people stranded on 20 55 that wished they weren't. What if that were one of her students.
in my opinion, she basically states that the students were aware of the immanent storm, it was forecast at least a week in advance and was very accurate. her logic was that they should have sheltered in place and particularly should not have gone north of all places. A real world example I can give you is one that my wife shares with her staff at the hospital. You can stay at the hospital or you can go home, it's your call but if you get called in while on call, you are expected to be here with in the allotted time. You are also expected to be here for your shift, you choose whatever course allows you to do so. My career has always had the same expectation. That's real life experiences and I am aware that some will scoff and say that is unreasonable, and you are entitled to your opinion. I just don't share it.
Is the really a national story? Cause I haven't seen it other than here and FB.
I paid my way through college, so my parents weren't privy to any grades, but even if they had paid for me I can't imagine them emailing a teacher (of course email hadn't popularized at that time).
I paid my way through college, so my parents weren't privy to any grades, but even if they had paid for me I can't imagine them emailing a teacher (of course email hadn't popularized at that time).
Harsh? No. *****? Yes. I can think of a lot of things to have that sort of tone and my *** being in a classroom is not one of them. Colleges these days keep proving their non worthiness and I hope it keeps going. Learning more on the job is worth a lot more than having your nose stuck in a damn book.
Should have had an English instructor proofread it before she sent it. Maybe she would've learned that you don't switch verb tense in the middle of a sentence AND it might have given her time to chill and say, "maybe I shouldn't send this."
That said, whoever got butthurt and broadcast the email is a bigger problem than an instructor who sends a snarky email about class attendance.
That said, whoever got butthurt and broadcast the email is a bigger problem than an instructor who sends a snarky email about class attendance.
I went to his house and moved some furniture for him after class one day. Super cool Civil War era house. He's a cool guy too.
I was a TA for a language lab in my time at State. I took attendance because the department made me include it as part of the grade. Hated doing it.
Here is what I see (not getting into all this FERPA crap y'all are hemorrhaging over)
1. Math instructor is a bit bitchy w/ a subtle inferiority complex, but she plainly stated her expectation to her classes
2. MSU email trumps math instructors email, and if the problem entered into the students world b/c they skipped, as a student, I would argue University email overrides instructor (but I think the university gave the instructor some leverage)
3. As a parent, if you are emailing the university / instructor over this YOU ARE THE PROBLEM !! This is not even remotely open to argue that you were just looking out for little johnny or little sally.......they are in college to learn more about, and develop greater skills, in order to go out in the world and be a productive member of the society that can follow and obey laws and act reasonably when things don't go there way, AND get along with other folk
4. Mommas.......you are possibly one of the most valuable and beloved components of the family unit, but get the kiddos off the teet and allow them to grow up, have failures, recover, and accomplish on their on!!
5. Dads, be there for momma so little Johnny and Sally can go learn how to do life own their own and be a valuable member of society
6. Math instructor should get a raise for effectively and professionally displaying her bitchiness
7. Any pics of aformentioned math instructor? single? cute?
BONUS: we totally would have stayed on campus and had a blast playing and drinking!! AND, we would have made class and gotten those brownie points with that instructor.
1. Math instructor is a bit bitchy w/ a subtle inferiority complex, but she plainly stated her expectation to her classes
2. MSU email trumps math instructors email, and if the problem entered into the students world b/c they skipped, as a student, I would argue University email overrides instructor (but I think the university gave the instructor some leverage)
3. As a parent, if you are emailing the university / instructor over this YOU ARE THE PROBLEM !! This is not even remotely open to argue that you were just looking out for little johnny or little sally.......they are in college to learn more about, and develop greater skills, in order to go out in the world and be a productive member of the society that can follow and obey laws and act reasonably when things don't go there way, AND get along with other folk
4. Mommas.......you are possibly one of the most valuable and beloved components of the family unit, but get the kiddos off the teet and allow them to grow up, have failures, recover, and accomplish on their on!!
5. Dads, be there for momma so little Johnny and Sally can go learn how to do life own their own and be a valuable member of society
6. Math instructor should get a raise for effectively and professionally displaying her bitchiness
7. Any pics of aformentioned math instructor? single? cute?
BONUS: we totally would have stayed on campus and had a blast playing and drinking!! AND, we would have made class and gotten those brownie points with that instructor.
I don’t think being a university student and being a hospital nurse are really comparable situations.
That reporting requirement isn’t really enforced at all institutions equally. I usually only got asked about attendance for specific students on academic probation or athletes.
I rarely took role past the first week, even in small lectures. Forget about a 200+ person lecture. Not a baby sitter.
More of the focus is on students with academic issues… that’s for sure.
Yep. Not unusual for colleges to just ask folks to be sure that there is some participation either…
Meh. I’ve never really bought in to the “work is a parallel to school” thing. My employer is paying me to be there on Monday morning. I’m paying this idiot with an inflated sense of self-worth for the honor to sit in her class. Big difference in my opinion. If I can’t make it, that’s on me. I paid rent for that seat for the semester.
She deserves to take some heat for being so tone deaf and ignorant. Quick search of her shows she has a ChemE degree but at a university teaching math? She might be mad at the world.
But that's as far as it goes. Absolutely should not be fired or really even reprimanded.
You and golfer need to get together and discuss the worlds problems, solve them, write a book, and go on a signing tour, because yall sound like 2 peas in a pod.........
I don't know what the law said in the early 80's but the vast majority of instructors NEVER took roll, EVER.
For the ones that did it would be easy to cheat their numbers because most would open up a manilla folder w/ the "seating chart" on it. The chart was a layout of the room and they just looked to see if there was an as-s in the seat or not, didn't matter the name or sex of the student sitting. They would put a red dot if someone wasn't sitting in the seat and if ever questioned about attendance they would look back and say Mr. Smith had X number of absences (red dots) this semester. If you wanted to pay somebody, get your girlfriend, or whatever to sit in your seat it would work in that scenario
Since the parent got butthurt and took it upon themselves to "fix it", I'm guessing the student didn't learn anything good.
Jeebus - an unexcused absence is the consequence? *clutches pearls*
You won't get the email with lecture notes? Does your student not have a classmate that will give them the class notes?
This could present a liability risk for the University in that the actions of an agent of the school might prompt students to travel in hazardous conditions when they would not have otherwise. Should they get in an accident and are hurt or, God forbid, killed trying to get back for math class that very likely would put the university in legal jeopardy. Not to mention I would not want to have on my conscience for the rest of my life that my actions led to a young person's death.
Based on the university's email posted earlier, I would imagine this instructor was politely but firmly told to knock it off.
Based on the university's email posted earlier, I would imagine this instructor was politely but firmly told to knock it off.