The welfare program was the beginning of the separation of black families. It was developed in racist roots and really took a turn in the 1960’s. No surprise that the 1960’s is when households really started to break in the black communities. Poor communities, really. But it disproportionately affects minorities. It was a way for the government (well after the so called pArtY fLiP) to manipulate the black community by turning them into a dependent society with incentives to "stay in their lane" while taking government handouts in the guise of social justice. Remember Lyndon Johnson's infamous quote, "I'll have ***ers voting democrat for the next 200 years." Then it was another democrat based bill (the crime bill) that expedited the breaking of the black home. Of course the war on drugs and how it was waged also didn't help. Though I think it was put together in good faith. Even today we still incentivize single parents to have children. We have a demographic of people who have been raised for decades to depend on big brother and now we have a media that is spreading false narratives and lies of the root causes of the handicapping of the black community. Every black person who has removed themselves from dependency and the modern day plantations (hoods) has made something for themselves and their families because they have that opportunity just like everyone else. People who want to be victims, will be victims. People who remove themselves from the "systemic" roadblocks put in place by democrats will have great opportunities to succeed.
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@durhamgolfer, I don’t know if you're posting in the quote box or if you got something else going on. But to your posts.
KD specifically said "in some ways". He also separated what he was saying from the obvious negatives of the Jim Crow era legislation. Are you saying that there are zero ways that black families had it better back then? I think family values and ethics wise, it could be argued.
KD specifically said "in some ways". He also separated what he was saying from the obvious negatives of the Jim Crow era legislation. Are you saying that there are zero ways that black families had it better back then? I think family values and ethics wise, it could be argued.
I know. i saw the screw up. Not sure how it happened. Quite frankly, I think the only people who can answer that question about whether African Americans did better during the time of Jim Crow are the people who lived through both eras but i would strongly doubt that there are African Americans who look back at the Jim Crow south fondly.
Many on this board refuse to accept that systemic racism is the only cause of problems affecting the Black community. This is the part where someone will respond “I never said it was the only problem”. Yet it’s the only one ever discussed. If the 80% out of wedlock birth rate or crime epidemic is brought up you are either called an Uncle Tom or Jim Eagle depending on the color of your skin. As far as the condition of the schools in the inver city many Americans of past generations didn’t even go to school. My grandfather dropped out in second grade and yet somehow amassed a small fortune through hard work and determination. A child’s home life is more determinative than where he attends public school imho, but this truth relies on individual behavior personal responsibility not Big Govt bs
Not sure how it happened? It’s called day drinking.
hope we have an exciting final round at the Open tomorrow Hasn’t seemed right with the sun and no wind but variety is the spice of life as they sayI think there are subjective ways of looking at whether they did better. Obviously when it comes to opportunity, it is better today than it was then. But when it comes to promise of the future for the generations to come, they worked hard and actually started to witnessed the fruits of their labor even in an era where they were genuinely oppressed and systemically discriminated against. I think there were certain people who were uncomfortable with that and strategically put in policies aimed at slowing the progression of the black communities. In general you are more likely to succeed in a diverse environment. It has to be considered that the push for more housing projects has had a negative impact on the black community in that it has kept them socially segregated and limited diversity. And that started decades ago. Now it seems more likely that they are regressing due to these programs put in place so long ago. As well as living in an era where false narratives run rampant and believing in an ideology that cultivates victimhood. I remember hearing about how the man was holding black people down and smirking at that idea. Now I see it. They were right about the man holding them down, they were just blaming the wrong man. My opinion, of course.
except that I don't drink.Not sure how it happened? It’s called day drinking.
No mean tweets. I knew I was teeing them up with my post about the relative strength of the Black family during Jim Crow but felt it needed saying. Their overuse of the race card is actually playing into conservatives’ hands at this point imho
Sorry to offend. Guess you haven’t figured out how to use your phone yet j/k
You know that stuff that Trump did? Biden undid it.
I just want to hear their praises for this President. I’m actually anxious to read what they think are decisions Sleepy Joe has made that benefit Americans.
Agree with them overplaying the race card. They can’t help it. Remember these libs are advocates for the neglected and abused. The two beating the rented drum here the loudest are white.
Race "relations"? Nothing specific comes to mind. I acknowledge privilege and systemic racism, and that no one living today is responsible for its existence, but we are all responsible for addressing it. I model how to use one's privilege to extend privilege to others. I teach that advocating for marginalized groups protects everyone because we're all rungs on a ladder that will ultimately be underwater if we don't. I teach that the name of the game is keeping oppressed people fighting each other instead of organizing against the oppressor. I teach that real peace only comes from justice, not calming down. I teach that even the privileged need liberating. I guess I can see race relations in that, but not directly.
I'm using far more measured language than several of you here, including you, specifically. Are you disputing the assertion that as a group public school teachers overwhelmingly lean left? Talk to @Mac9192 about that. He heard the word "teacher" and leaped to an immediate conclusion about my being institutionalized. But you want to take me to task on the comparatively mild "most"?
Lynching was much more common during the time @KDSTONE and @Mac9192 opined that "they" had it better in previous generations. The '94 crime bill championed by then President Clinton and Senator Biden resulted in over-policing and profiling of their neighborhoods. The War on Drugs was designed to target their neighborhoods disproportionately. The privatization of prisons led to a greater emphasis on incarceration and a deemphasis on rehabilitation, and greater campaign support leading to legislation such as mandatory minimums, "3 strikes and you're out," and continued policing. Numerous studies have addressed implicit racial bias in LEO and the infiltration of LEO by White supremacist groups.
The breakdown of families and increase in crime rates within Black communities has happened due to systemic racism targeting those communities, not mass moral failings and lack of personal responsibility.
The only thing I'll praise about President Biden is his tone. I did not vote for him in the last primary and I am unlikely to vote for him in the next primary.
It seems to me that many here refuse to accept that systemic racism exists at all, which may be why it feels like the only cause that gets discussed. It is the foundational cause. It's bigger than individuals and therefore bigger than individual choices.
Why do you dislike big govt if not for the understanding that it potentially hamstrings individuals? If that's true of the welfare state, why not the police state? If that's true of regulations hurting small business owners, it's true of family units, too. And a successful small business owner saying, "See, I succeeded; you can, too" is an anecdotal deflection from the big picture just like saying having one Black President means it's all about self-determination.
Real estate redlining and tying school funding to property tax means we've never ever truly done away w/ the lie of "separate but equal." Public schools are underfunded by the same people/party who take money from education privatizers.
It's not as much, see I succeeded so you can too as it is that I had the opportunity to succeed and you do too. Outcomes will never be the same. Paths will always be different. The only thing that should be given to you is opportunity, it's up to you what you do with it.
On one hand, we're saying very different, contrary things about the War on Drugs (in bold). On the other hand, we're both acknowledging how damaging it was to Black communities.
Politic and political discourse would benefit from less emphasis on that first part -- how it came to be -- and more emphasis on the latter -- it did damage, now let's fix it.
Despite the virtue signaling sound bites, some interesting points made but, alas, you should have quit while you were ahead
Addressing root causes, as you see it, affecting the dysfunctional Black community may be prime conversational fodder at cocktail parties for ivory tower liberals, but playing the blame game instead of addressing individual responsibility has been an abject failure for decades. May be time for a new approach
That some people succeed despite insufficient opportunity does not validate that level of opportunity. If 9/10 people succeed, it's logical (if harsh) to wonder what's wrong with the 10th. If 1/10 people succeed, kudos to the 1, but what's wrong with the system?
Last paragraph I agree with. Haven’t heard anyone on this board say we’re born with the exact same opportunities. Some are born with one strike or two strikes. Some are born on third base and think they hit a triple. Regardless I don’t think seeing yourself as a victim of history and circumstance will help you lead a happy productive life
@Mac9192 's question specifically asked for praise for President Biden. I don't have much. I gave what I had.
My opinion of President Biden has nothing to do with either my opinion of President Trump nor anything we're discussing here.
That's condescending af, which I have not done in the slightest. In fact, the post you responded to actually pointed out some common ground between what @GhostOf301 said and what I said. Your response is a perfect example of what we need less of.
If we don't address the bigger systemic problems, individual effort only goes so far. A lot of very hard-working people are suffering and falling further and further behind. They're already working as hard as they can. They're already individually responsible. Fix the system.
If you're disagreeing with my first paragraph, I take it you do accept that systemic racism exists and needs to be addressed. Am I surmising correctly?
If you're disagreeing with my second paragraph, what is it that's bad about big govt then?
About the third... not being born into the same opportunities and working to maintain such a system are two different things. That some people born with two strikes hit home runs does not make it any less unfair that some people are born with two strikes. That many, many people born with two strikes end up striking out is a pretty good reason to point at the system resulting in those first two strikes, instead of blaming the individual for what they did with the one and only strike they had any control over. They're taking their at-bats. They're doing their best with the count they inherited. They're not whining about victimhood while that third strike is sailing past; they're taking their chops. They're not playing the victim. They are legitimate victims, just like other victims of crimes or legalized injustices.
What system are we talking about? I've already given a few of my opinions on what has led to where we are today. Well, not "we", but the black community. Housing projects keep minorities socially segregated and the environment within those communities is often times influenced by violence which is influenced by drugs. We can speculate who put the drugs there, but that won't change the fact that drugs are the biggest contributing factor to the failures of society. The hood mentality is every bit to blame for the 1/10, 9/10 you speak of as any kind of modern day systemic racism. There will always be room for improving government policy or the system, so to speak. But there is a hell of a lot more room for improving decision making when it comes to the citizens. I know it is not as easy as just saying, "make better choices", the hard work is actually doing it. Holding people accountable for not making good choices and not blaming the system every time would also be nice. Like I said, your opportunity is only going to get you as far as you take it. It took decades to **** **** up. It's going to take a while to get things pointed in the right direction.
We’ve gotten 1 liberal on here to answer a question that has been stagnant so long it started to grow weeds. The one praise for Biden? His tone. That’s right, his tone. Not anything to do with the economy, employment, immigration, foreign relations, gas prices… No, his tone.
@Dattier is a flaming lib, and all he has is tone. The rest of you libs should be embarrassed. Especially @durhamgolfer.
As pathetic as that answer is, at least he came up with one.
@Dattier is a flaming lib, and all he has is tone. The rest of you libs should be embarrassed. Especially @durhamgolfer.
As pathetic as that answer is, at least he came up with one.
I remember him from before but it seems like he gets more personal and petty than in the past. Oh well can’t say I wasn’t warned
It's a trap question asked rhetorically. That's why no one else is biting.
Presidential decorum matters. It was sorely lacking in the 4 years prior. It affects foreign relations, Congressional cooperation, civility. That's what I mean by tone.
We have a fundamental disagreement on how much weight to give different contributing factors. It seems we agree on what most of the factors are, though.